Comments on: Remote Viewing is All About Scientology?

By: RyanDube

RyanDube — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:52:33 +0000

That’s the point that you’re missing Gary. Your unsubstantiated evidence comes from private emails involving the same “key persons” who were involved with the “alien UFO tales.” We at RU are focused on BOTH the mind-matter psycho-paraphysical research as well as the alien/UFO aspect. You, unfortunately, are missing half the picture. If you paid attention to the alien/UFO data that comes from the same sources that feed you the parapsychology data, you’d realize the ramifications of my previous comment. A lot of claims are made from these sources you refer to, about what these officials allegedly said about these matters when they were alive – about both parapsychology as well as the UFO matter, those parallels are glaringly obvious and when they are taken together the manipulation of truth by those sources is blatently obvious. It’s unfortunate that you don’t see that.

By: Gary S Bekkum

Gary S Bekkum — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:57:41 +0000

My unsubstantiated evidence comes partially in the form of private emails from 2005 shared between three key persons that were provided without permission of two of the parties.

One works for the government, one contracts for the government, and the third is an associate of the other two.

Of course I am interested in the mind-matter psycho-paraphysical research and you are focused on the alien UFO tales, which are not of much interest to me.

By: RyanDube

RyanDube — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:45:38 +0000

Gary – As I’m sure you realize by now, the Scammers have used a long list of fabricated identities of both imagined and real (but now deceased) people. In a few cases they even misused the identities of real/living people. The fact that Paul McGovern’s name was used, and several other “real” identities were used – I would highly recommend that you carefully review our investigations regarding how how “unsubstantiated evidence” coming from these folks are almost always fabricated. I would not put it past them to use Helms’ identity as well, simply because he was previously interested in the phenomenon.

Again, Gary, review the investigations we’ve posted throughout the main page and observe how they make claims regarding what certain people supposedly “said” or believed. Those claims are always unsubstantiated – and always untrue. Putting any weight to those claims, as you have in your comments here, is, respectfully, a bit naive.

By: Gary S Bekkum

Gary S Bekkum — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:57:23 +0000

Ryan writes, “the Core Story was created by civilians, not government officials or military insiders. It is based on a religious-like belief system founded on the interpretation of data that these particular folks consider “hard data,” but which others might not.”

Unsubstantiated evidence suggests that DCI Richard Helms’ also had a version of the “core story” (a reminder that the “core story” comes in many flavors). If true, Helms’ “required secrecy” concerning his version of the “core story.”

In December of 1963, according to a document found in the CIA FOIA STAR GATE collection, it was Helms who suggested on-going psychic mind-control research to Clandestine Services at CIA (CS), as an extension of the on-going Technical Services Division (TSD) MKULTRA and related programs. Helms’ noted the on-going interest of the Soviets. Later SG documentation noted substantial involvement by the KGB.

It was Helms, then Director of CIA (DCI) who ordered documentation destroyed, around the same time that TSD funded Puthoff and Targ at SRI.

The history of CIA interest in paranormal (aka paraphysics) is not entirely about research into intelligence collection using “unconventional sources.”