April 11, 2009

The Colour of Money


A very recent email exchange has brought with it an extremely revealing admission from Bob Collins, author of Exempt from Disclosure and one of the main mouthpieces for the people behind Scammers Inc.

As we exclusively reported in February of last year, an investigation was launched after Collins admitted paying Rick Doty, former AFOSI security guard and current New Mexico state trooper, a large sum of money on behalf of millionaire philanthropist Joe Firmage for allegedly classified information.

As we concluded at the time, if the documents were found to be fake or fabricated, the official investigation was likely to be dropped. Seeing that no more was heard of the investigation, it is safe to assume the documents were found to be bogus. It does of course beg the question why no one has sought to bring criminal proceedings against the hoaxers for fraud. As we have also reported previously, there is a precedent in the field of UFOlogy for this kind of thing.

Since Friday, RU researchers were included on an email exchange between UFO researcher Robert Hastings and Bob Collins. Collins, as he is wont to do, was busy in the process of rewriting recent history regarding the IP evidence that shows Rick Doty and Paul McGovern are one and the same person. Having established a somewhat amusing (for us) dialogue with Collins, with Ryan highlighting the extensive use of sock puppets by Scammers Inc, Collins wrote the following email in response:

“I doubt they’d stick their necks out. Even Kit Green was suppose to meet with Lakes, but Lakes told Kit the FBI was after him. And Doty has enough State Police contacts to track anyone down no matter where they hide. He has cracked a lot of drug cases….And, it’s not in some person’s mind, it’s called experience and training knowing the right people……Rmc”

 

Ryan replied to this with the following:

“They won’t stick out their necks because they aren’t real. A fake identity can’t meet with a real person in a real cafe to share a real coffee because they aren’t real.

Maybe if I tell Rick Doty that I’m a secret DIA insider, and I agree to meet him privately if he wears a baseball cap to identify himself, then maybe he’ll meet with me?

Your computer forensics expert, Rick Doty, floundered helplessly when it came to tracking down Tacitus? Stephen Broadbent led Rick on an electronic wild goose chase, and Rick was helpless to do a single thing about it. He has no computer forensics skills, and he has no high level intelligence contacts.

Everyone in your group knows that. You do too.”

Collins replied, his frustration becoming more evident with each new email. To say we know and try to exploit this aspect of Collins personality would be somewhat cruel, but ultimately true…

“Ryan, wake up, you a show a lack of experience. When was the last time you were in the Intelligence business? And Rick could check you out in a microsecond. Yes he has plenty of high level contacts and Joe Firmage paid him to get in contact with them. And Rick was doing a lot hacking before he gave it up using NSA equipment. You’re blowing a lot of nonsense…..Rmc”

 

Aside from the fact that if Doty did check Ryan out in a microsecond(!) it would be a clear abuse of his position in the New Mexico State Police – actually, add hacking to that same charge – Collins once again falls back on his favourite namedrop, Joe Firmage.

Fellow RU administrator Access Denied entered the discussion at this point with the following highly relevant snippet:

“Then Joe Firmage is an idiot… as they say a fool and his money are always willing to part.

As is anybody who believes a former AFOSI desk sergeant who volunteered for the job and managed to get himself busted and relieved from performing his relatively simple duties…”

“While assigned to duties with AFOSI at Kirtland AFB, NM, I did investigate a number of UFO sightings. However, my normal duties were that of an counterintelligence investigator. I did not devote my entire time to the conduct of UFO investigations.

At present, my job deals with investigations and I do work for a Government agency. However, I do not have anything to do with UFO research or investigations.

My own personal beliefs regarding the subject of UFO is this. I think Earth is not the only planet in the Universe that supports intelligent life. Whether Earth has been visited in the past by visitors from other planets I simply don’t have enough information to make a personal decision.”

Richard C. Doty – March 3, 1989″

 

We are used to Bob Collins inadvertantly divulging information in the process of defending his position, but even we didn’t expect his latest slip to be as revealing as it actually was.

Bob wrote:

“Yes, if Rick thinks you are an idiot he won’t tell you the truth. I saw that over and over. Any loud mouth jerk will get dismissed. Firmage contracted with us in the Spring of 1999 thinking we’d give him a dead body or some other hard evidence……The LANL source didn’t want to talk to Firmage…..Rmc”

 

In case you didn’t catch it, here is the best part:

“Firmage contracted with us in the Spring of 1999 thinking we’d give him a dead body or some other hard evidence……”

And again with emphasis:

“Firmage contracted with us in the Spring of 1999 thinking we’d give him a dead body or some other hard evidence……

It is amazing what such a short sentence can tell us. For one thing, it shows us that Rick Doty and Bob Collins were actively working together in the Spring of 1999 AND they had some kind of contract with Joe Firmage. However, it also tells us that they were quite happy to take Firmage’s money even though they knew he wouldn’t get anything in return.

“thinking we’d give him a dead body or some other hard evidence……”

Why would Firmage think he’d be given a dead body or some other hard evidence unless he had been misled by the Doty & Collins partnership in the first place?! Furthermore, the way Collins words the sentence, he makes it pretty clear that both he and Doty kNEW he wouldn’t be getting anything for his money.

Did they give Firmage his money back? After all:

“The LANL source didn’t want to talk to Firmage.”

More to come.



Filed under: Aviary,ET,The Core Story — Tags: , , , , , , — Stephen Broadbent @ 3:58 pm




3 Comments

  1. avatar

    I feel sorry for Joe Firmage, but he and others are the type that will pay thousands of dollars for a piece of something extra trerrestial. Interesting that the drone affair which I have been studying for a while occurred not far from walnut creek, I believe, from him right in los gatos Ca. It fits that story you posted about the guy making circuits with some ET material, setting up elaborate conferences, and when a switch was made by an investigator, the object was found to be bogus. That was decades ago! Just like Reeds WWJD alien wristband.. Phony, What cunards. I hope Joe can get his money back with a suit for fraud. Of course, if he contracteed for an illegal act, doubtful that woud be enforceable.
    Which is how professional scammers get away with it.
    Kudos on good story

    Comment by Sys_Config — April 11, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

  2. avatar

    Thanks for the comment Sys_Config, you make an excellent point. We’ll be updating this post in the next day or two, so stay tuned for more developments.

    Comment by Stephen Broadbent — April 12, 2009 @ 1:00 pm

  3. avatar

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