January 18, 2010

The Open Minds Forum and Gordon Novel CIA Documents


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Are you looking for the Open Minds Forum and the Gordon Novel CIA documents mentioned by George Knapp on Coast to Coast AM on January 17th, 2010? Well, you’ve come to the right place! You’ll find it all here.

As I was listening to Coast to Coast AM last night, when George Knapp was interviewing Gordon Novel from about 1am to 3am, I noticed at one point George mentioned the intriguing Gordon Novel CIA documents that we originally wrote about here at RealityUncovered on October 27th of last year.

I was very surprised to hear George mention these documents – because not only were they brought to light by one of our sources and originally noted here at RealityUncovered and recently on Jack Sarfatti’s email list, but also because those documents revealed that not only did Gordon Novel not ever have any affiliation with the CIA, but the CIA was actively trying to figure out why this convicted arsonist kept telling people that he was working with or for the agency.

What Does Open Minds Forum Have to do With the Gordon Novel CIA Documents?

My surprise was mostly due to the fact that I was doubting all week whether George would take Gordon Novel to task for what the facts on these documents reveals – that Gordon Novel was attempting to pawn his various technology schemes not only upon individual investors, but even upon the U.S. government. When Knapp mentioned the documents, my heart raced – was our source listening, the man who originally discovered the repository of online documents where these Gordon Novel CIA documents resided?

Only a small part of me was somewhat interested to hear how George would refer to the documents, which Jack Sarfatti had been mentioning all week as he forwarded our original Gordon Novel expose to his entire list, noting how RealityUncovered had revealed this amazing library of Gordon Novel CIA documents. Surely Knapp would at least briefly mention the RealityUncovered Gordon Novel expose that Jack forwarded, and ask Novel to respond?

George Knapp’s Strange Promotional Decisions

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Earlier in the show, Knapp promoted Gary Bekkum as a good source to learn more about Ron Pandolfi. I blinked a couple of times at that…I could think of hundreds of better resources – but I digress. Bekkum and I have resolved our differences regarding evidence and not jumping to conclusions in published articles, and ultimately Gary does work very hard to uncover the truth, however he sees it. Ultimately, Gary really has published more online about Ron Pandolfi (especially in various code-named forms) than most anyone else online.

However, what came next was rather shocking. George Knapp mentioned the CIA documents again, and stated they came from the Open Minds Forum. I blinked a couple of times. Say what?

I immediately emailed Sarfatti, cc’d Steve and George Knapp, and mentioned the strange choice of promotion – why would Knapp mention the OM Forum in relation to these documents? An obscure website that had no content published about these topics until we originally published our findings on Gordon Novel in October of last year.

George immediately responded with an apology for the slip-up and immediately fixed the error on-the-air. Apparently he was monitoring email traffic during the show, and his sincere response told me that his slip-up had nothing to do with more sinister motives – for some reason he had been misinformed or just didn’t dig very deeply into these matters.

After sleeping on it, this morning as I was snowblowing my driveway (a time when I really have some major deep thoughts), I realized what must have happened. Unlike the OM Forum, the first priority of investigators here at RealityUncovered is to make sure that the truth is revealed. Self-promotion doesn’t really make the top-ten – we just want the real story published and out there. But I have a suspicion as to what happened last week when Knapp first announced his show.

The Open Minds Forum PR Effort

For those of you who don’t know, the Open Minds Forum is a very small conspiracy theory forum. It originated as one guy’s website covering the topic of psychic phenomenon, but grew a little after the whole Serpo affair left AboveTopSecret and the believers (and quite a few nutjobs) needed a new home. In fact, it was the new home for Steve and I for a while, until we realized that the truth could not be uncovered there, because there’s no one actively researching the truth – they simply regurgitate information that they find elsewhere on the web, as happened in this case.

The sad part of this episode is that after Knapp announced his interview with Gordon Novel, I suspect Gary Bekkum and the Open Minds Forum jumped into high gear with their self-promotions…forwarding Knapp various links from their own websites.

Meanwhile, not thinking about self-promotion but making sure Knapp truly dug into Gordon Novel’s background so that he’d ask the hard questions, I told Knapp as much – to his displeasure, obviously. Never, once, did I think of simply self-promoting by sending him links from our own website.

So, for those of you who heard the show and are looking for the OM Forum link to the CIA Gordon Novel documents, you’ve come to the right place – because they’re actually right here at RealityUncovered. And you can discuss this entire matter in all of its great drama at our Forums…we look forward to seeing you there. It is one place where you can be sure to cut through the b.s. and learn the truth.

We will have a full review of the interview, and our response to a few of Gordon Novel’s statements, in an upcoming article this week.







5 Comments

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    When funding and security overlap, someone is spreading Big Fear. What is being Waived behind this? Not yet goodbye?

    Comment by Puppetburglar — January 18, 2010 @ 8:48 pm

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    For the record Ryan,

    There has been no self promotion of OMF to George Knapp.

    I started this thread on my own, having no communications with any of the current Admin Team about it. I started it to inform the membership and readership. OM promotion wasn’t even a thought. In fact none of the admin team have corresponded to me at all about this thread. Nor have any of them posted any comment on this thread. This has been simply a Jake Reason investment of personal time for humanitarian reasons.

    You’ll note in my prologue posts, I linked your article on the first page of this thread. Due respect.

    As you know (being a co-recipient), Jack Sarfatti has cc’d me from the get-go. I felt this situation was an extremely important development, and as I privately told Jack, putting things out in the open is the best protection from a bad lunch. He subsequently passed my message on to about 30 others. You were one of them.

    Jack has chosen to inform others, via email of this thread. I have plugged Coast-to-Coast a couple dozen times on OM in the past week.

    However, there is no OM Self Promotion going on here Ryan.

    And btw, Gary Bekkum informs me, he published CIA records on Gordon Novel in Feb 2008. Predating your article.

    In closing Ryan, I have recently begun to enjoy reading your articles. You have a good pen and a captivating flare. This latest however, kinda threw me for a loop.

    Cheers
    Jake Reason

    PS: Serpo is water under the bridge Ryan. Its Bygones

    Comment by Jake Reason — January 19, 2010 @ 1:55 am

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    Thanks for your comment JR. First – to get this out of the way quickly, Gary is misinforming you. The documents were first published on the Internet by the Mary Ferrell Foundation long before Gary ever wrote anything about them. Additionally, Gary’s article has nothing to do with the current context of Jack/Gordon’s exchange and the current status of RAM – his article was in the context of the Project Camelot interview.

    We were the first to correlate the current fall-apart of RAM with other ongoing events (involving Murad) and we were also the first to publish excerpts from the documents that proved that Gordon’s claims about OFFICIAL affiliation with CIA are false – on the other hand, Gary’s earlier article tried to make the claim that the articles supported Gordon’s claims, which is frankly the exact opposite of the truth. Gary didn’t even note a single excerpt. (which Jack picked up on immediately) that proved Gordon has been trying to run these cons for years.

    So, while I’m sure Gary would like to claim credit for being the first to publish them online – he can’t, the Mary Ferrell Foundation did. He also can’t claim to be the first to publish anything regarding the fall-apart of RAM within the context of these current events – because he didn’t. In fact, he was waiting to see what everyone else wrote before he bothered weighing in – he wrote as much in his most recent updates.

    Finally, regarding your statement that “However, there is no OM Self Promotion going on here Ryan.” – all I have to say is to provide an email quote from George Knapp – sent to me yesterday (Jan 18th).

    From Knapp to Ryan Dube:

    “Yes, your guess is correct. I was lobbied, in effect, about Open Minds, several times over the past week.”

    And this:

    “…and Gary B. did pitch me about his link as well, so it was fresh on my mind.”

    I don’t blame George – he didn’t have time to perform due diligence himself, and the self-promoters jumped on him. My fault for not considering doing so myself. However, this article wasn’t meant as a personal attack against you – I appreciate your kind words and have nothing against you. (btw, I’m still banned from viewing OM).

    This article was simply my follow-up to capture any traffic from web travelers who have never heard of these things and who are looking for the information after listening to the show. I listened carefully to how Knapp identified the information on the air, and I decided to use some of the techniques I’ve learned over the years to route that search engine traffic in our direction. 😉

    Thanks again JR – and thanks for citing my article as a source, I do appreciate that. I wish I’d known, but again, I can’t view your forum because I’m currently banned.

    Best Regards,
    -Ryan

    Comment by RyanDube — January 19, 2010 @ 3:39 pm

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    Thanks for the updates Ryan, as always they are well written and to the point. I’ve been meaning to weigh in myself this week but work commitments have prevented me from doing so thus far. I intend to put that right soon, promise!

    Once again, great work.

    Comment by Stephen Broadbent — January 20, 2010 @ 11:53 pm

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    bunch of bs

    Comment by Martin Brilliant — January 31, 2010 @ 11:35 am

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