June 16, 2010

A litany of lies

Richard TheilmannRichard Theilmann, the New York resident revealed by our investigation as the man behind the mysterious Source A character, is a liar and a fraud.

We have already proven how claims attributed to Theilmann by the likes of Clay and Shawn Pickering could not possibly be true. Chief amongst those was the statement Theilmann had served over 40 years in the US Navy – since 1968, in fact. Before his identity was revealed, there was no way of knowing if this was correct or not, because nothing about his age or rank was known to anyone outside of the Source A group.

With his identity revealed, it was discovered he was only 14 years old in 1968, turning 15 in the July of that year. Clearly much too young to have been “wearing the uniform since 1968″.

It has since been claimed at the Open Minds forum he was actually enrolled in the Navy Junior Reserve Officers Training Corps (NJROTC) at school, thus validating the 1968 statement. This is patently absurd, naval classes at school do not equate to a career at sea by any stretch of the imagination.

From the NJROTC official website:
“Our program mission is to instil in students in United States secondary educational institutions the values of citizenship, service to the United States, personal responsibility and a sense of accomplishment.”

It is also a claim that can be quickly falsified. The school attended by Theilmann and named in our original report, did not host a NJROTC unit from 1968-1971 or at anytime since and thus never offered any such naval classes.

With the revealing of his identity came also the revealing of his alleged rank in the Navy, namely that of Lieutenant Commander (LCDR). Again, this was something that quite simply did not fit reality.

As noted in our original expose, The LCDR officer rank is classed as a junior officer with a pay grade of O-4. More senior ranks, from commander through captain and all the way up to admiral are ranked from O-5 to O-10 respectively. The maximum length of service a LCDR can achieve before being forced to leave the navy, is 20 years, or 24 years with special dispensation by the service secretaries.

“In addition to regulating promotion opportunity and timing, DOPMA (Defense Officer Personnel Management Act of 1980) provides for an “up-or-out” promotion system that further standardizes career patterns. Under that system, officers who are not promoted to O-2, O-3, or O-4 after being reviewed for promotion for the second time must leave the military. To complete 20 years of service and become eligible for retirement, officers must attain the pay grade of O-4.(2) To remain beyond 20 years, they must advance even farther. Officers in pay grades O-5 and O-6 may complete 28 and 30 years of service, respectively.
2. The service secretaries, however, have the authority to permit an officer in pay grade O-4 to remain on active duty until completing 24 years of service.”

Again, the claim of having served 40 years at sea just doesn’t hold any water once all of the facts are known.

With this information about his alleged military career not standing the test of scrutiny, a full public records search was conducted in order to ascertain the truth about Richard Theilmann.

RU Researcher “Wormwood”, best known so far for her sterling work in the James Angleton Jr investigation, was given the task of collating Theilmann’s personal information in order to conduct a military records search. Full name, D.O.B and SSN were sent off to the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis, Missouri and while we awaited a reply, our investigation continued.

The information we were uncovering was shedding new light on Richard Theilmann’s personality and background on a daily basis. The medals he is pictured wearing in photos on MySpace and the New York Naval Order Commandery website became a cause for concern. How could he be wearing medals for service in Vietnam when he left high school in 1971 and the war ended in 1973? Sure, it was possible in certain situations, but it didn’t seem probable.

We tried many times to let Richard have his say, but he declined every opportunity he was given to set the record straight. I spoke to him on two occasions, and Andy Murray also tried to get him to budge. His stock answer was that there didn’t seem to be any point. It was however very revealing when he did admit to waiting for the FBI to call at any minute.

Why would someone with nothing to hide be waiting for the FBI to call “at any minute”?
That’s an easy question to answer; it’s because he certainly does have something to hide.

Richard Theilmann does not have a military record. He has never served in the US Navy nor any other branch of the United States Military.

He is a faker. A hoaxer. A conman. A liar.

Several members of Richard Theilmann’s family have read our reports into his activities, and to put it bluntly, they are disgusted with him. They say that Richard has never served in the US Navy or any other part of the United States military and they go on to claim that he has suffered from a certain medical condition that makes serving in the military impossible. They have been aware of his irresponsible behaviour for many years, but seeing him wearing someone elses medals in a uniform he has no right to wear, appears to have been the straw that broke the camels back.

The straw that broke the liars back for us on the investigation team, was this one: (Select pic to download PDF)

Theilmann Records

RE: Veteran’s Name: THEILMANN, Richard John
Request Number: 1-7852597443
Dear Requester:
Thank you for contacting the National Personnel Records Center. We have been attempting to
verify the veteran’s military service from the information that has been provided. We have
conducted extensive searches of every records source and alternate records source at this Center;
however, we have been unable to locate any information that would help us verify the veteran’s
military service

For a further search, please furnish us with any papers you may have which may provide
additional information about the requested military service, such as military orders, awards,
citations andlor military addresses shown on letters mailed home. Unfortunately, without any
new data, we will not be able to conduct a further search. We regret that we are unable to
provide a more positive response.

For those that think this whole story was too complex to be just a simple hoax or even “prank”, please read “Fake Military Heroes”  and educate yourself to the growing problem of Stolen Valor.

There are some people involved in this story that think they have gotten away with it. Rest assured, they haven’t. This investigation is ongoing and further information will be released once verification has been completed.

Filed under: Exopolitics — Tags: , , — Stephen Broadbent @ 5:05 am


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    You guys are awesome, well done, and special thanks to steve who pulled an all nighter, its much appreciated Mate

    Comment by Mike — June 16, 2010 @ 5:13 am

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    A Litany of lies indeed.
    Excellent work again chaps!

    Comment by Yex — June 16, 2010 @ 5:18 am

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    Sic the Feds on them.

    They have broken Federal Law, and brought
    shame to those that deserve those medals
    and accolades.

    Comment by Lexion — June 16, 2010 @ 5:18 am

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    Thank-you Steve…brilliantly written.
    It is bad enough that Theilmann told lies…but it criminal to wear a uniform and medals that don’t belong to you.
    May justice be served swiftly

    Comment by Andy Murray — June 16, 2010 @ 5:19 am

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    waiting for the exos to chime in with the “The covert operatives records have been expunged” line. Tell that to the embarrassed family members

    Comment by Yex — June 16, 2010 @ 5:22 am

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    Fantastic investigative journalism Andy, John, Ryan, and Steve with specials thanks to “Wormwood” and everybody else who has contributed to this amazing Team effort, behind the scenes or otherwise!

    And to think this isn’t even half of what they’ve uncovered since the original expose…

    Anyway, I’m all out of superlatives for now.

    Comment by Access Denied — June 16, 2010 @ 5:36 am

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    I have to say Steve – the drive that you bring to these reports, and your tireless dedication to pulling the team information together and getting it done and done swiftly, is a true inspiration. You are a bulldog mate…and I feel honored to be working on this research by your side.

    Comment by RyanDube — June 16, 2010 @ 5:40 am

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    Those enabling this Navy Hero Impostor …Salla, Morningstar, Rick Davis, Chris Iversen, Bren Burton , Clay and Shawn Pickering are just as much to blame. They could have asked questions, they could have done fact checking….with a story as important as this…even after he was exposed as a fraud…they to this day continue to cover up a Federal Fraud.

    OMF is a disgrace to those seeking the truth the world over. It is obvious the truth is not the most important thing at OMF…what is most important is the ego of a few high number posters and the ego of some of the staff.

    Great job OMF….you enabled and harbored one of the biggest known frauds in ufology ever!


    Comment by Andy Murray — June 16, 2010 @ 5:42 am

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    Comment by Mike — June 16, 2010 @ 5:43 am

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    Meritorious win!

    The last vestiges of Fabulous Face are in certain sleepers still observable posting about fantastical lifestyles dreamed up around their childhood dissatisfactions. Carry on, carry on, nothing really matters, anyone can see.

    Comment by DerekFlint — June 16, 2010 @ 5:44 am

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    An interesting (and not really unexpected) development.

    The question that should be on everyone’s mind is why was Theilmann was allowed to enter a secure naval base (i.e. what documentation was provided).

    And once he entered the base, he presented himself to Maccabee as a Naval officer. If he had been soliciting military engineers instead of UFOlogists, how do you think the above would play out?

    As Dan points out, the real questions have never been about Source A nor his stories, but what did the IC know about the above and when did they know it? Did a handful of Internet ‘forum operatives’ outperform the fifty-billion dollar a year intelligence community, just as a handful of citizens with cell phones outperformed the IC when they stopped Flight 93 from crashing into the US Capitol Building?

    Your thoughts, ladies and gentlemen?

    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 16, 2010 @ 1:16 pm

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    Thank you Steve, for pulling another all nighter so the truth may be shared. Great write up!

    Those that promoted this fairy tale that did not bother to ask Theilmann to produce his military file….you should all be ashamed. Requesting his actual military file jacket should have been the very first thing to do instead of pushing this guy as real just because his claims helped certain agenda’s.

    When Salla starts with the silliness of Theilmann’s records having been expunged, I will ask him how he knows that to be true since he never bothered to see his records in the first place.

    I’ve learned so much during the course of this investigation. Many, many thanks to the rest of my team for everything they have done.

    Comment by jeddyhi — June 16, 2010 @ 1:25 pm

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    And there is Gary Bekkum (waves!), right on cue telling everyone what they should be thinking and paying attention to. Divert & distract much, Gary?

    Comment by Ray — June 16, 2010 @ 1:43 pm

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    Thanks Wormwood for requesting and obtaining that information from the National Personnel Records Center.

    And Steve, I trust you’ll be providing witness statements from the family members to support your allegation that “they are disgusted with him”? As well as supporting their claim that Richard suffers from a medical condition? I further look forward to confirmation of what that medical condition is.

    And Wormwood…Eeee-Gads! couldn’t you have come up with a sweeter name than that?

    Cheers all,

    Comment by Jake Reason — June 16, 2010 @ 3:06 pm

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    Hey Jake…you are in no position to tell anyone what to do or think.

    Why don’t you do something besides promoting fraud…. like something called your own research?

    The witnesses have nothing to prove to folks that continue to promote fraud…..and those that live in a fantasy reality.

    However, I’m sure they would be willing to speak with legitimate law enforcement officials…rather than waste their time with pseudo know it all ufo spy game guru’s spinning meaningless tales with absolutely nothing to back them up with.

    Bravo Jake…you have sunk to a new low, and unfortunately, you are still digging.

    I’m not sure what is worse?

    Theilmann or the ones like you who enable them

    Comment by Andy Murray — June 16, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

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    I would like to share something;


    Private Messages shared between myself and Clay Pickering March 11, 2010



    Comment by Jake Reason — June 16, 2010 @ 3:36 pm

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    Andy and group, you are a great team and it’s about time the facts come out that
    a small bunch of egotistical money grubbers are brought to task for the fraud that
    they perpetrate year after year against honest people with true open minds.

    It’s time for the Dans, Garys, Jakes and their puppet master Ron to have their clothes stripped
    off so all can see the naked reality of what they have been doing.

    Comment by BringItOn — June 16, 2010 @ 3:38 pm

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    Jake…privates messages based on 3rd party hearsay is laughable as proof of anything except how gullible, and desperate to be relevant you are!

    Theilmann is now a proven pathological liar, and your close to becoming an accomplice.

    You are totally destroying any and all credibility you and your cohorts at OMF have.

    Think for one minute just what the hell you are defending and rationalizing.

    It comes across as Theilmann, but in reality you are defending your ego.

    It is plain to see…look in the mirror before it is too late

    Comment by Andy Murray — June 16, 2010 @ 4:00 pm

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    Only in the stupidity-rich world of clod-hoppers like the Pickerings could someone be “erased” in the manner they describe. I suppose all the ship mates, class mates, base neighbors, friends, family, etc. etc. are in on the erasure?

    The most hilarious thing in the message Jake Reason linked was the reference to “professional courtesy”. What profession are we talking about? Bartending Bullshitters?

    It is obvious that Reason was fully aboard the supremely amateurish cloak and dagger Mystery Van along with all these other buffoons.

    Look silly much?


    Comment by Lance Moody — June 16, 2010 @ 5:03 pm

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    Hold on a moment Shawn and Clay, I am going to have to take this call:

    Hello? Yes Sir! Yes Sir! Of course, sir! Thank you Mr. President! Goodbye.

    Now where were we?

    Comment by Lance Moody — June 16, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

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    To Ryan Dube,

    Ryan, would you contact me at my Yahoo email address? dxxxxxxxxx@Yahoo.com

    Don Ecker

    Comment by Don Ecker — June 16, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

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    Regarding the praise given Steve Broadbent for ‘burning-the-midnight-oil’, to get this blog post together….

    Has it not occured to anyone that Ryan is the lead investigator and Mur/Jeddyhi contact, in this story? Doubtful it is a coincidence that Steve, a British Citizen would write both these “outing” articles, rather than US citizen Ryan Dube. Of course litigation is easier to carry out in the country of both plaintiffs and defendants. And Ryan, aren’t you a P.Eng? I don’t know about the US, but in Canada a P.Eng is also a Notary Public, and certain activities and conduct can be reviewed by the College.

    I note this as Caryn (Wormwood?) has posted a “Notice” at Open Minds Forum quote:

    “Notice – This case will be taken to its full conclusion – the relative official bodies have been informed with requests for a full inquiry. All names of those complicit in withholding information and wittingly aiding with the promulgation of false information will be named – including the names in hand of the ‘elite’ researchers and alleged insiders who met with and vouched for Theilmann’s credentials, or allegedly reported on Theilmann to Gov/Military bodies.

    You wanted official interest – as the saying goes – Be careful what you wish for, you might get it!”


    Comment by Jake Reason — June 16, 2010 @ 5:31 pm

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    Mur and I were neck deep into this thing during the NL luncheon. We chose RU as a place to collate the info and seek help in the investigation. RU is known for their tenacity to dig for the truth. They gladly jumped in and offered much guidance and assistance. Steve is well known for his ability to write coherent, concise articles. He is a wordsmith in every sense! This is all a team effort dedicated at uncovering the truth.

    Spin it however you want it but sometimes people just join together and cooperate toward a common goal.

    I am forever grateful to Steve and Ryan for all that they have done. Regardless of past spats, disagreements, feuds, arguments, etc……they dig for the truth. Period! I consider them very intelligent, capable investigators. I also consider them my friends.

    Comment by jeddyhi — June 16, 2010 @ 5:48 pm

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    No, Jake – I’m not Wormwood.

    Comment by Caryn — June 16, 2010 @ 6:05 pm

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    Thanks Caryn. Had to ask 😉

    Comment by Jake Reason — June 16, 2010 @ 6:13 pm

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    No problem, Jake…asking is good :-)

    Comment by Caryn — June 16, 2010 @ 6:48 pm

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    Thanks John – the feeling is completely mutual.

    To Jake:
    “Has it not occured to anyone that Ryan is the lead investigator and Mur/Jeddyhi contact, in this story?”

    This is completely unfair to Andy and John (and Steve). I wish I could take more credit, but my part has been relatively small. I’ve contacted a few folks for John and Andy, and I’ve written up some emails and had phonecalls – Steve spent countless hours on the phone with sources and witnesses and pulled multiple all-nighters pulling these reports together – John and Andy’s deep background research is embedded in the reports for anyone to see.

    “Doubtful it is a coincidence that Steve, a British Citizen would write both these “outing” articles, rather than US citizen Ryan Dube. ”

    I’ve written plenty of “outing” articles in the past on this site, and I plan to continue doing so in the future. I am happy to support everything written here. Here, Jake, we report the truth based on what the evidence reveals, as any ethical and honest journalist will do. I wouldn’t expect you to ever understand.

    “And Ryan, aren’t you a P.Eng? I don’t know about the US, but in Canada a P.Eng is also a Notary Public, and certain activities and conduct can be reviewed by the College.”

    You’re just shooting in the dark and pretending like you know what you’re talking about. You don’t. The fact that you still support a story backed by Stolen Valor reveals a lot about your character. To be honest, it turns my stomach to see your name defacing our blog.

    Ahh…but at least we believe in freedom of speech so much that we give you a voice. Unlike a certain website where you spend your time that silences voices and censors discussions.


    Comment by RyanDube — June 16, 2010 @ 9:07 pm

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    Sam: What’s the word on the street on the Pickerings’ disappearance?

    Flint Paper: Ive been making chin music with every pigeon in this
    burgh, but nobody’s singing. Trail’s dried up like a hobo’s inner

    Max: How quickly the lingo goes from “colorful” to “gut-churning.”

    Comment by DerekFlint — June 16, 2010 @ 9:16 pm

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    I have requested a statement from Bruce Maccabee as to whether or not he has filed a report concerning Theilmann, concerning his access to the naval base, given the information RU has provided here.

    It is my understanding that members of the RU team have contacted NCIS? And possibly the FBI? Is that correct?

    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 16, 2010 @ 9:44 pm

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    This is interesting… http://www.tcc.edu/students/military/bases/basepass.htm

    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 16, 2010 @ 9:50 pm

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    The form to request a Common Access Card and required information:


    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 16, 2010 @ 10:13 pm

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    “It is my understanding that members of the RU team have contacted NCIS? And possibly the FBI? Is that correct?”

    Who told you that Gary?

    Comment by RyanDube — June 16, 2010 @ 10:43 pm

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    Andy and Caryn independently confirmed the engagement of the authorities by your team members.

    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 16, 2010 @ 10:47 pm

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    And just now Dan Smith posted this at OMF about his conversations with Ron today:

    Dan Smith: “My CIA handler has called me twice today, on his way to Las Vegas, to report further on his conversations with Ryan Dube, the co-owner of RU. He has stated that Ryan is having considerable personal difficulty in still trying to support the Hoax Theory. He also reports that Ryan is upset by the fact that Ron is relaying these conversations to me!”

    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 16, 2010 @ 11:02 pm

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    Did you by any chance do a record search for the alternative spelling “Theilman” as listed on the Naval Order website?

    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 16, 2010 @ 11:24 pm

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    LOL…Dan’s funny. I’m not upset at all, so long as Ron understands that it goes both ways. And I don’t need a lunatic as a “cover” – I just tell the truth.

    No idea why Ron’s making up stories about me having any sort of difficulties with the “Hoax Theory,” whatever that means. But Ron will certainly have a great deal of personal difficulties if he keeps it up.

    Comment by RyanDube — June 17, 2010 @ 12:26 am

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    check the tombstone pic here


    Its theilmann, the naval order website is the more likely typo here dont you think ?

    Comment by Mike — June 17, 2010 @ 12:33 am

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    Id like to take the oppertunity to once again extend my heartfelt thanks, and congratulations to the Team for this sterling effort. Those of us who value the Truth cant help but be very very grateful.

    And to any US citizens reading, can i implore you to read this link and make a complaint


    We owe it to the memory of those who paid the ultimate price, to ensure history reflects correctly the honour and dignity of those who served and died for us.
    The more voices that join the chorus call for Justice, the more likely we will get it.
    It will take a few moments of your time, but its worth it, for those who earned their decorations, some of whom were maimed and killed, we should offer no less

    Comment by Mike — June 17, 2010 @ 12:42 am

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    You may remember that I said on air that what was presented previously was interesting, it did not rise to the level of evidence just yet. Well, this report does. This appears to be about as solid as it gets. Good job with the investigation.

    Comment by Kevin Smith — June 17, 2010 @ 1:09 am

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    Thank-you so much Kevin.
    You were tough, but also fair and balanced which is a true asset to the ufo community.
    Your comments therefore are truly high praise in my book.
    I’m grateful for the opportunity to talk on and off your show and look forward to discussing this case going forward. Thanks again

    Comment by Andy Murray — June 17, 2010 @ 5:22 am

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    Thank you Kevin, much appreciated. Now if we could just get the management at OM to grow a set and lift Andy’s ban so he can respond to his detractors directly… :)

    Comment by Access Denied — June 17, 2010 @ 5:27 am

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    ROTFL….too funny…no point in going back to be banned again…but I would enjoy trying to reason with the UnReasonable…lol

    Comment by Andy Murray — June 17, 2010 @ 6:22 am

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    Thanks Kevin! Love your show!

    Comment by jeddyhi — June 17, 2010 @ 12:55 pm

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    Thanks Kevin – I thought you were pretty hard on poor Andy during the start of the show, to be honest…but I’m sure you were pressured by some folks to pursue certain points as hard as possible. However, that is all the more reason why your comments here are so appreciated. Thank you.

    Comment by RyanDube — June 17, 2010 @ 1:59 pm

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    Some great comments guys, thank you!
    I have to say working with everyone on this team has been fantastic, when you consider the history between some of us and see where we are now, it’s just brilliant.

    I find it interesting the stance some of those at OM are taking, i.e. ignoring all of the evidence for a hoax and continuing to push the “There’s something to it” angle. I was initially surprised by this, until I learned only recently that a certain someone has been involved with this story at a very deep and personal level.

    If you thought Scammers Inc had their fingerprints all over this story, you thought right…

    The investigation is continuing, with a much wider net than we had before :)

    Comment by Stephen Broadbent — June 17, 2010 @ 2:01 pm

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    Steve wrote: “If you thought Scammers Inc had their fingerprints all over this story, you thought right…

    The investigation is continuing, with a much wider net than we had before”

    Glad to see you are willing to explore IC involvement in this case. I’m sure you always knew. But I understand one should remain consistant in their MO.

    I was a bit surprized that you didn’t report that the NPRC letter is not conclusive. Only that the information provided them was not sufficient to determine a result. The letter requests more data before being able to make any assertion.


    Additionally a member at OMF has uncovered that the NPCR has a history of making errors in background checks.


    So, we’ll just have to wait-n-see.

    Comment by Jake Reason — June 17, 2010 @ 3:26 pm

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    An issue was raised at OMF: the appearance of Theilmann’s wife in the pictures where he is decorated with medals. Have you been able to pursue that angle of the story?

    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 17, 2010 @ 3:45 pm

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    Solid investigation job to reveal a lying faker. I’ve taken official action with the FBI and the NCIS and the gentlemen should be facing several federal charges in coming weeks. He’s mentally ill and that should be obvious but is no excuse for his unlawful actions.

    Some of your statements are incorrect. Navy ranks 0-1 to 0-3 are junior officer, 0-4 and 0-5 are staff or mid-level officers and O-6 and above are senior officers. There are many exceptions to length of service and public access for records. Example: Persons involved in black ops records are sealed and only those with proper clearance may view them. Record searches will draw a blank and even denial. I have friends who are in this category. My best.

    Comment by Larry Lesh — June 17, 2010 @ 4:38 pm

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    The old Jake Reason strawman comes out again. Steve mentioned nothing about the IC. The IC has nothing to do with Scammer’s Inc.

    Furthermore, the NPRC probably has a history of making errors when they’re dealing with difficult “input” information like names or location of service, etc…but when you’ve got a social security number to work with, it’s pretty damn hard to make a mistake. That’s pretty cut and dry.

    Nice try though…keep clinging Jake…keep clinging.

    Oh, and please tell Ivo’s buddy that I’m still waiting for an answer to my last email. Seems now that the cat’s out of the bag, the cat is nowhere to be found (although I do see his silly memes integrated into the comments of OMF goons).

    Comment by RyanDube — June 17, 2010 @ 5:18 pm

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    @Jake…Scammers = IC? ROTFL…..good one!

    @Gary…all areas are being explored and investigated…but maybe your question is not really all that specific, so I’m not sure what it is you are asking

    Comment by Andy Murray aka murnut — June 17, 2010 @ 5:54 pm

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    My oh my Jake, you really are a card, aren’t you?
    Firstly, Scammers Inc have absolutely no connection to the IC, they are a PRIVATE group of people who have fooled people into thinking they are on the inside. You know, people like you and your chums.

    Secondly, your comment was not deleted, it was placed in the moderation queue. You would have been able to read it, but no one else would have been able to. All posts are placed in the queue until they have been approved by an admin, in this case me. Did you change your email address for that comment? Previous commenters are normally automatically approved but for some reason yours went straight to moderation. As soon as I saw the email, I approved it. Nothing nefarious there.

    Comment by Stephen Broadbent — June 17, 2010 @ 9:41 pm

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    Don’t you understand? Its real!
    This link was posted on OMF, so I guess that doesn’t do much to prove the authenticity of RT’s alternate history of everything.

    Anyways, this seems to be the best summary of the depth of investigation at OMF – except the Rommulin would be an OMF moderator or puppet saying “Its real”, and all the people being hounded would be saying “Don’t you understand? Its fake”.

    Comment by Gord — June 17, 2010 @ 11:07 pm

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    I am a member of OMF. The forum covers many different topics related to ufology including the “Source A” feeds. I find ufology fascinating and believe that aliens have been visiting us (and other planets) for a long time. After reading “Communion”, I became hooked on the subject. But I still don’t believe everything thats written, whether at this forum or elsewhere. Skepticism is an absolute necessity in this field, so I don’t understand why everyone is so upset. Did you honestly believe every word written by an anonymous source? I half-followed the Source A leaks over the past couple of years, but I always took them with a grain of salt. Why? Because the source was ANONYMOUS! Hello?
    Are you upset because OTHERS believed him? Or because they didn’t listen to you? All you can do is voice your opinion once or twice and move on to a different subject. To me its entertainment. I don’t need for somebody (anonymous or otherwise) to convince me that aliens are visiting us. I ALREADY believe it! I actually feel sorry for those that believe EVERYTHING they read or are told. But I never get mad at them. Requires too much time & energy. Maybe you should do what I do…..laugh my ass off.

    Comment by Alberto — June 18, 2010 @ 5:51 am

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    Alberto – if more people would take the time and energy to put these “anonymous” claims to bed from the get-go, rather than just laugh, maybe the field would be taken a bit more seriously by mainstream media, and maybe the true stories would actually see the light of day?

    The emotion you may see comes from the frustration that scammers and hoaxers assume people who follow this subject are stupid and gullible – which of course encourages more hoaxers to follow suit.

    This field is not “entertainment” to me any more than any scientific endeavor should be. If anyone believes these things in the sky could be real or important and want to know the truth – why on earth would they relegate the serious and important examination of the phenomenon to the “entertainment” bucket? Folks like you may dislike it – but this work brings far more relevance and credit while folks in the “entertainment” venue (or people who just laugh off hoaxes) continue to do the field of Ufology a serious disservice.

    I guess in a way we here at RealityUncovered are the true believers after all. Because we take this much more seriously than people like the members of OMF. When you’re prepared to take the field seriously as well, we would warmly welcome your membership here at RU.

    Comment by RyanDube — June 18, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

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    I must say it is fascinating to see the reactions of some people to this investigation.
    We have some people at OM (I know, I know, I shouldn’t be surprised) who are somehow now trying to apportion blame to the New York Commandery of the Naval Order, for not thoroughly vetting Theilmann!

    They do realise, do they not, that the Naval Order is a civilian society whose mission is To encourage research and writing on naval and maritime subjects preserve documents, portraits and other records of prominent figures deeds and memories of our naval and maritime history and through fellowship of our members advance the Naval Order’s unselfish service and worthy aims for the security and enduring well-being of our country.

    The Order is not a governmental organisation, it is a historical society that in large part relies on its members for ensuring any new members meet the requirements for membership by virtue of the invitation program. If a faker has no problem buying the uniform, acquiring the medals and creating an ID, how much of a problem do you think it will be for him to convince someone he was in the navy? Do you think every former sailor he meets immediately runs a background check on him? Or do you think they get talking and start swapping stories over a beer or two?

    Those people at OM think it impossible for someone to do such a thing. They clearly haven’t researched the problem – and it IS a problem – despite there being more than enough information available where they can educate themselves from the comfort of their armchair. There is even a link available in the article above, here it is again for convenience: Fake Military Heroes

    For all those at OM (admins and former admins in the main) who suggest our information is incomplete with regard to Theilmann’s non-military service, do you seriously think we would publish such a damning report if we weren’t 100% sure we had our facts right? You haven’t yet seen the half of what we have uncovered so far, but you certainly have seen enough to prove that you have been sold a hoax. The fact that you continue to try and muddy the waters and completely ignore that which is staring you in the face suggest a level of complicity that can no longer be ignored.

    Comment by Stephen Broadbent — June 18, 2010 @ 1:52 pm

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    Could one of you fellas at RU please help out poor Jake at OMF. He needs someone to introduce him to Kevin Smith and he feels it would be too presumptuous for him to introduce himself – as he posted on OMF:

    Perhaps someone can send Kevin a copy of what I just posted.

    As an International Cop, he’ll know what I’m talking about. Oh, also let him know, that I have had more communications with the Pickerings than any other Admin of this forum.

    I would introduce myself, but I find that approach to be a bit presumptuous. Better someone else introduce me.

    If he wants me on a show, I’d gladly be a guest. And I can assure everyone here, that there would be a number of things candidly revealed that has not been before. I’m quite confident Kevin Smith would know all the right buttons to push, to make it an interesting Show.

    Anyways, the Kevin Smith article was good. For all the talk on OMF, I have yet to see anyone of the insiders who may know the Pickerings actually show any evidence that they are really making any sort of investigation of Richard’s actual military status at all.

    Comment by Gord — June 18, 2010 @ 3:01 pm

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    He’s right, it is presumptuous to even suggest such a thing…what exactly has Jake done to be interviewed? Who is “Jake Reason” that warrants an interview? Man, someone really does have an over-inflated image of himself. LOL!

    Kevin has already had the Pickerings themselves on his show a couple of times, and he has had an investigator for the Richard Theilmann expose on the air as well (Andy Murray)…both sides have offered their position. I could see him having Salla or Morningstar on the air now, but why would Kevin invite an irrelevant, random forum user on his radio show?

    Comment by RyanDube — June 18, 2010 @ 3:51 pm

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    I just have to say- that when Mur and Jake and the rest of the [edit] at the OM cult were welcoming these [edit] with bouquets and hot brownies 2 years ago, and plotting with Ed Komerack to spread this silly meme all over the net- there were many rational people who understood instantly that the entire soap opera was just another clumsy hoax. It took two years of investigative effort for you to prove that the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny and the Horta invaders are fantasy?? And Kevin Smith believes this is some sort of profound revelation? OK. So much for the state of Ufology in 2010.

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    Comment by LK Walker — June 18, 2010 @ 4:28 pm

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    Investigation only just started back in April.

    Comment by jeddyhi — June 18, 2010 @ 10:40 pm

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    “I guess in a way we here at RealityUncovered are the true believers after all. Because we take this much more seriously than people like the members of OMF. When you’re prepared to take the field seriously as well, we would warmly welcome your membership here at RU.

    Comment by RyanDube — June 18, 2010 ”

    Quoted for the significant and profound truth it is.

    Sorting the wheat from the chaff is vital, by testing then discarding the proven lies, what we are left with is that much more closer to being significant Truth

    Comment by Mike — June 19, 2010 @ 5:56 am

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    One cannot prove conclusively that there is no Easter bunny. On the other hand, I for one, would never quibble with an assertion that he does not exist. I hold the ‘conformers’ and the ’12 brave Americans’ to that same standard. If a proposal is ridiculous on the very face of it why even bother with argument? And as for the current case it seems somehow germane to me that the erstwhile OMer who now so vociferously and tearfully debunks the hoax is also among the little cabal that so enthusiastically supported it and enabled it to gain traction in that pit of credulity two years ago. The hoax itself was as much a product of this former OMer as it was Sauce A’s and the Pickerings’. The first order of business in laying this hoax to rest, it seems to me, would be a sincere apology for planting it in the first place.

    Comment by Gunter — June 19, 2010 @ 11:49 am

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    “Investigation only just started back in April.

    Comment by jeddyhi — June 18, 2010 @ 10:40 pm”

    Really? And why wasn’t it begun in April of 2008 when the Pickerings first introduced this patently ridiculous meme to the OM membership?

    Comment by Gunter — June 19, 2010 @ 11:55 am

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    An absolutely ridiculous statement, even by your standards.

    ETA: How dare you tell anyone when they should start investigating anything?! No one get’s paid for doing this, it actually costs us our own money to do these investigations and you have the bare faced cheek to tell us what we should be doing and when?

    Comment by Stephen Broadbent — June 19, 2010 @ 11:57 am

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    “Really? And why wasn’t it begun in April of 2008 when the Pickerings first introduced this patently ridiculous meme to the OM membership?

    Comment by Gunter — June 19, 2010 @ 11:55 am ”

    Because in April 2010 the Pickerings finally slipped up with the posting of photographs from a ‘secret meeting’ that turned out to be a luncheon/lecture. That move opened a door of opportunity to check fact against fiction. Until that point, there was nothing to really check out but baseless claims of ridiculous fiction.

    Comment by jeddyhi — June 19, 2010 @ 1:06 pm

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    Gunter/BE/Cartoon/ well you get the point, is an armchair quarterback!

    You guys have done a fantastic job in uncovering what you have found so far!

    Those who critisize should get off their bums or do their own research!

    It is clear why no investigation was done before now, Source A was unknown, everything else that ever got asked was responded to with “no comment” only in April did the Pickerings make their first and apparently last mistake.

    Comment by Pam — June 19, 2010 @ 6:41 pm

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    John- their initial claims were made in 2008 and at that time Murnut was among the strongest proponents of their absurd story. Without the support of a certain credulous cabal within the OMer cult this [edit] would never have gained traction. As I recall, you retained a principled rational skepticism towards the nonsense from day one. If the full story is to be told, these facts are critical elements in understanding how such memes are both fostered and denied. Sometimes the promoters and debunkers are the very same guys.

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    Comment by Gunter — June 19, 2010 @ 8:53 pm

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    From my seat at the circus, Johns comments are as i have personally observed.
    The Pickles were very careful not to give away anything that could be verified, until april.
    At which pint the photographs posted led to identitys, which in turn led to more details.
    These details have made a lie out of the pickles absurd little story.
    But weve only just recently had access to these clues.
    The amount of detailed data amassed in such a short time is a tribute to the great work the team has done in exposing this fraud

    Comment by Mike — June 20, 2010 @ 9:10 am

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    Holy shit. I just noticed this comment posted yesterday in the Sauce A thread by Iversen-

    “And no one has ever been banned (from OMF) because of their opinions.”

    Really? I think if you take a look back you’ll discover that Cartoonsyndicate, Wetsystems, Smokey, Boycotteverything and the rest of the tawdry gang were banned exactly for expressing an opinion. And what was that opinion? In a nutshell it was nothing other than this, expressed many times:

    -That OM is a despicable cult consisting of thousands of credulous fools led by a small cabal of MIB disinfo agents and liars.

    I continue to stand by that opinion.

    Oh wait- there were a few more opinions. At various times I opined there that OM is:

    1. An IC petri dish
    2. A grande manage of gullible morons
    3. A crucible of icky odors
    4. An ant farm

    I’ve finally settled on ‘ant farm.’

    Comment by Gunter — June 20, 2010 @ 12:42 pm

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    I still sense anger here. It’s pretty ridiculous. And to paint everyone at OMF with the same brush is assinine. Shame on you. There are plenty of viewpoints shared on the forum. I voice my sentiments, pro and con, freely there. Instead of pointing fingers at someone who might have been duped, maybe just pointing them at the hoaxer would be more constructive. Twisting my words around is also childish. I take ufology seriously, I just don’t take ANONYMOUS claims seriously. That was my point about it being entertainment. I guess I should have “dumbed down” my comments for you. Let me make myself clear(er), I take ANONYMOUS CLAIMS with a grain of salt and consider them entertainment, not the field of UFOLOGY. I watch Project Camelot interviews as well. Do I believe everyone there? No, I don’t. It’s both fascinating and entertaining. Do you honestly believe that one day the field of ufology will be free of hoaxers? Lol. Maybe if everyone took ALL anonymous claims with a grain of salt there wouldn’t be so much outrage when a hoaxer is outed.
    The reason why the mainstream media does not report on the subject is probably because there is very little physical evidence (that we know of) ie. a spaceship or dead alien laying around. There is “trace” evidence and “eyewitnesses” but nothing proven to be manufactured by extraterrestrials. I guarantee you that the day an alien is found or a spaceship crashes in a major city, the media will be all over it.
    If your site aspires to be highly regarded, just present the facts and skip the name-calling and the finger pointing.

    Comment by Alberto — June 20, 2010 @ 12:46 pm

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    Exactly as Mike says.

    The reasons this case was taken up at that point by a number of us who had little previous interest is very easy to explain.

    Initially, like so many of these tales, the information being released by the Pickerings was all based on ‘he said, she said’ anonymous sources. They slipped up on releasing the photographs which presented one of those very rare occasions in cases like this where a bit of solid checkable data is offered. This sparked the interest of several people who agreed to collaborate on taking up the lead and looking further into it. After examining the photos the team were able to narrow the target down to one of 3 men and contacted Maccabee – as one of the prime sources who had actually met Source A – and he was asked if he could identify source A from the photos. He did. So now there is a face and name to Source A. As soon as the face and name was established the team were able to search hundreds of public records and websites, contact a number of bodies Theilmann was alleged to have membership with, contact Theilmann himself, and a number of other connected parties.

    The first exposé was released. On reading the exposé a number of other researchers, including me, became interested and used the data made available within the exposé to run their own searches and back-ground checks on Theilmann and a number of the other characters involved in the release of the original material on the OM forum. The data they came up with corroborated exactly what the investigative team had presented in their exposé. At that point I and a number of others offered our services, in a number of capacities and expertise, to help collate information. The core members of the Team did ALL of the leg work, spending many hours of their own time, and money I should add, in gathering the data that enabled the rest of us to get on board as it were.

    The speculations being made on the OM forum that information obtained and the collaboration of a group of researchers signifies IC involvement and manipulation is absolutely absurd. In all of my years involved in this community I have never before witnessed such outright stupidity and overt twisting of information to fit a mind-set who simply do not want to hear the truth. I could excuse it if it was obvious that these few people were simply trying to hold onto what they truly believed to be an opening of the door on disclosure-but the way they have conducted themselves, the insinuations, the outlandish speculations, the deliberate attempts to discredit and shout down anyone who supports a hoax theory, the patting on the backs of those throwing in ridiculous assumptions without offering any degree of fact checked data to support the assumptions etc etc can only lead one to assume that they are very far from being concerned citizens helping in what they considered to be a disclosure process. The fact that they did have information which they chose to withhold, which would have probably shed a lot more light on this hoax much sooner, only exhibits wilful manipulation to suit their own ends. The insinuations that the hoax theory proponents get bitter and nasty when they can’t get one of the believers in the story to agree with their hoax theory is again incredibly daft on 2 counts. 1] It’s not a theory – facts have been presented which clearly exhibit a hoax. 2] This is not a philosophical or religious debate where conclusion can only ever be subjective. Claims about real people are being challenged by the facts presented about these real people. If you chose to keep your eyes tightly shut, that’s your prerogative and it’s of little consequence to any of us to be perfectly frank – the annoyance comes about from the continuing uninformed insinuations/speculations being made by a few members of the OM board.

    Something that really grates on me is the way the word disclosure is banded about and seems to morph in definition depending on who is using it. I was asked an incredibly ignorant question on the OM Forum, “are you for disclosure or against it?” I’d like to remind a few what the definition of disclosure is:

    A thing disclosed: revelation.
    The act of revealing or uncovering.

    So to answer that question – Oh yes, I’m all for disclosure and always have been and with that I’d like to say well done to the RU team and colleagues on their DISCLOSURE of a hoax that is as far removed from a REVELATION of honesty and truths as one could get.

    Comment by Caryn — June 20, 2010 @ 1:49 pm

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    Alberto: Yes, I agree with your sentiments. In fact I believe the bulk of the OM community are sincere – my comments, in particular, are aimed at a very small core group on OM who I honestly believe do know better. These people can be counted on one hand.

    The others: Dan, for instance, has always worn his agenda on his sleeve – whether one agrees with that agenda or not – knowing his agenda it becomes very simple to ascertain why he adopts parts of any given story/claim and discounts others. Doc makes some very sound observations on occasion too in my opinion, as do a number of the members of the board, whether they support the hoax revelations or not. The frustrations of the general members on the forum are understood.

    The Team’s disclosure/exposé efforts are still ongoing – there are a number of factors as to why the release of more information to answer some of the questions being asked is taking time. There now exists a huge amount of data and evidence which needs to go through the correct channels of verification/permissions to publish etc before definitive responses can be made to some of the specific questions raised. To add to that, the public disclosure of some of the data now in the hands of the team would hinder an official investigation into the case. We can only ask folk to be patient and try to suspend wild speculation whilst these processes are progressing.

    Comment by Caryn — June 20, 2010 @ 3:21 pm

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    My theory is that OM forum is primarily a conduit to disseminate hoax material and disinformation. The alternative scenario is that OM through its policies and administration just makes it the perfect target for others to disseminate such hoax material using it as a vehicle. It is clear to me that the last thing they are interested in is “finding the truth”. As an example of their approach to hoaxes, refer to this post from May 22nd by Co-administrator “Lee” who stated the following:

    I want to make it clear that personally I do not condone the public outing of a ‘source’, or even a hoaxer for that matter.

    At the very least, you must appreciate that since hoaxes appear to be the bulk of the material discussed on OM, that implies the bulk of their “content providers” are hoaxers and it is therefore not in their interests to have their sources outed or the hoaxes revealed.

    I understand that there is a wide variety of material on OM, but I think from an outside perspective it is primarily known for its rather protracted discussions on some of the more famous “UFO hoaxes” of the 21st century so far. These being: Source A/UN UFO Meeting; Serpo; Chad Drones and the Hoax discovery of Kinross F-89 by the fictitious Great Lakes Dive Company.

    Comment by Gord — June 20, 2010 @ 5:14 pm

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    I find it interesting (on a purely semantic level) that definitions for the word “hoax” are virtually transportable to definitions of counterintelligence and disinformation.

    (Again, I am not claiming this is the case for the Source A affair; however there is enough overlap here to instill confusion. Perhaps it is not a question of a whether or not this is a hoax, but instead a question of motivation, actions, and players.)


    something intended to deceive or defraud: The Piltdown man was a scientific hoax.
    –verb (used with object)
    to deceive by a hoax; hoodwink.

    An act intended to deceive or trick.

    Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means.

    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 21, 2010 @ 4:21 am

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    Has anyone here been in recent contact with Maccabee?

    Comment by Gary Bekkum — June 21, 2010 @ 4:26 am

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    Coming in on this a little late but I was wondering something, plus I’m a newb ;). I wanted to believe in this man until I saw your website, however, I do have a question that a friend of mine pointed out to me that you didn’t cover.

    What about Richard visiting Maccabee at the Naval Surface Warfare Center? According to Maccabee he had his credentials, which had to be scanned in order for him to even get to see Maccabee. Not only that, Richard’s credentials had to be high enough to get to Maccabee’s office without an escort, which he did.

    Any thoughts?

    Comment by Jer — June 21, 2010 @ 9:41 pm

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    I think it is worth commenting that elevenaugust at OM did an excellent job in the handwriting analysis that demonstrates that the Name Tag on the Richard T. photo is very likely his own writing by comparing to another document.

    Now, how long do you think it will be before someone at OM suggests that the handwriting on the other document must have been faked by the IC and that this “proves” the continued involvement of the “IC” in this disclosure/coverup/whatever excuse they think of.

    On the other hand, maybe the light of reality is just starting to peek through into that dank and dark dungeon.

    Comment by Gord — June 22, 2010 @ 5:15 am

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    Hi: If you go back to the second release and scan through the comments you’ll see the below emails from Maccabee….In summary, Theilmann did not need high level security clearance to enter the base or to visit Macaabee…….Maccabee did not ask to see Theilmann’s credentials because he had taken the word of the Pickerings that Theilmann was in possession of such credentials.

    It’s been pointed out to us that someone on the OM forum is arguing the case that bar codes can not be faked….that person is jumping the gun…no one yet has proved that Theilmann held a military ID card genuine or fake – he may have just had a CAC to enter the base.


    Maccabbe replied:

    “What I said has been interpreted as meaning that “A” had a high level clearance. However, I was explicit that I did nothing that I can recall, and this includes filing a visitor request with the reception (i.e., I don’t require filing a request) that would aid his entry.

    So far as I know, when he approached the main guard gate he showed them a badge of “common access card” that let him on the base. The base has civilians entering all the time. All one needs
    is a proper badge. An unclassified meeting needs no proof of clearance level. “A” got himself onto and off the base on his own steam, so far as I can recall.

    I do not recall him wearing a “V” badge. He would have gotten such a badge only as a result of a request from me filed at the reception desk. I don’t recall filing such a request. I didn’t have many visitors for unclassified meetings over the many years of working at the lab, so I don’t recall exactly what would have been needed to get on the base.

    I should point out that I assumed he had clearance at some level (S or TS) based on what I had been told by the Pickering brothers. (They had asked me if I would meet with “A”).

    The fact that he got onto the base on his own steam does not mean that he had any particular clearance level. He did not need any special access to get to my office. (Anyone who was on the base during “office hours” could have walked into my office which was NOT in a secure portion of the building.)
    Hope this answers your question.”


    Source A query Wednesday, June 2, 2010 5:23 PM
    From: “brumac******” Add sender to Contacts
    To: nyracum*******

    To reiterate:
    “A” had to have a badge of some sort to get into the lab without my help. This does not mean “special clearance ” or “special access” as would be required to get into a restricted area or to attend a classified meeting. (My meeting with him was “unclassified”.)
    At NSWC anyone with a “common access card” (CAC) or some other type of Navy badge could get onto the base.
    I assumed he had a high level of clearance based on what I was told by the Pickerings. When “A” told me that he could get onto the base without my help I assumed it was because he had a high level Navy clearance. However, the main response to your question is not what I assumed, but rather that fact that no special clearance level (such as Confidential, Secret or Top Secret) was required to simply get onto the base. But he had to have some sort of badge that the guards would recognize as giving him permission to enter the base. (A person does not just drive by the guards and wave one’s hand…. You need an employee badge or some other type of Navy badge or a “CAC”.)
    Once on the base a person could drive to any building. To enter some buildings required “special access”. However, anyone on the base could enter the area of the building that I was in. I merely gave him instructions on where to drive, where to park, which entrance to take to enter
    the building I was in and how to get to the room I was in.”

    Comment by Caryn — June 22, 2010 @ 12:53 pm

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    OK, Caryn. For all you researchers who’ve considered me to be nothing more than some sort of armchair analyst I have an important discovery to reveal. Below is a transcript of an NSA wiretap that was sent me in response to a FOIA request which establishes beyond doubt that Theilmann did indeed meet with Macabbee in his secret office two years ago:

    (on intercom…)
    Desk clerk: “Dr. Macabbee, there’s a gentleman here to see you.”
    BruMac: “Thank you, dear. Is he wearing a lock box on his testicles?”
    Desk Clerk: “Yes, sir.”
    BruMac: “OK. Send him in and get Ryan Dube on the line.”

    Comment by Toon — June 23, 2010 @ 4:35 am

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    mdonnall2002 wrote:

    “Jake laid out the argument of mirroring that tactics that the RU investigators have used against RT’s family,friends, etc in trying to achieve their end results at each of the investigators. Those invasions of privacy would certainly not be welcomed by them. They would not like having their kids stopped and questioned or their family and friends harassed by ‘UFO-NUT-JOBS’ trying to prove an enigma wrapped in more than 20 layers of above top secret.”

    So, what exactly is mdonnall saying here?…stop releasing the facts or we will intimidate your families? Question the team’s children? Just so you know mdonnall, I take threats of that nature very seriously and this has been copied and will be reported to the relevant bodies already involved with this case.

    The family members of Theilmann who the team are currently in talks with contacted the team under their own volition. No one has been hunted down – no ‘kids stopped and questioned’ what a nasty mind mdonnall has!

    Mdonnall seems to be forgetting the fact that it was Theilmann who made the claims –Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. … The team looked for verification of those claims and discovered the man is a fraud. I guess we could have just sat on the information and chuckled to ourselves as the saga continues to unfold for the next god knows how many months/years. Or we could take the decision to make the information public in an attempt to warn others that they are being conned. Would folk honestly prefer the former to the latter? Sorry, but I honestly can’t comprehend that preference. I have to believe that the bulk of interested parties DO want to hear the truth – the minority who don’t can switch channels of course – you don’t have to watch! Perhaps rather than shooting the messengers you should be reflecting on the reasons/emotions behind why your anger is being misdirected.

    Comment by Caryn — June 23, 2010 @ 11:16 am

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    And what of Murnut’s uber-macho threat to invade the Pickerboyz’ bar in New York next week with a pissy Amkon girlfriend in tow? This sort of moralistic indignation is wasted on such a patently ridiculous Horta teapot tempest, dear Caryn. But it certainly is fun! Love you…

    Comment by Toon — June 23, 2010 @ 3:32 pm

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    Im not sure how one can “invade” a public venue like a bar, maybe they just want to sample the disco fries.
    Having said that i wouldnt do it.
    RickyT, has stated they have been painted into a corner, and a cornered critter can be unpredictable and dangerous.

    Comment by Mike — June 23, 2010 @ 10:16 pm

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    Toon – you’re defending hoaxers and con artists these days?

    Comment by RyanDube — June 24, 2010 @ 2:53 am

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    Toon has no sense of humor…and I’m not invading any bar….just sight seeing

    Comment by Andy Murray — June 24, 2010 @ 2:55 am

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    @Ryan, “these days”?

    Comment by Access Denied — June 24, 2010 @ 4:29 am

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    @Access Denied – good point.

    Comment by RyanDube — June 25, 2010 @ 2:43 am

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