August 14, 2010

The Malmstrom AFB Missile/UFO Incident, March 1967


According to Ufology researcher/writer Robert Hastings, on March 16, 1967, the appearance of UFOs at Echo-Flight nuclear missile facility allegedly shut down the missile silo. Robert Hasting’s information comes from a man named Robert Salas who claimed he witnessed the event.

Background of the Malmstrom AFB Missile/UFO Case

The son of one of the officers who was involved in the Echo flight incident, named James Carlson, took Hastings and Salas to task for those claims. Carlson contends that both his father and retired Col. Walt Figel, the other officer involved in the incident, both reported that there were no UFOs.

See Tim Printy’s March-April 2010 edition of SUNlite for more background.

Hastings has denied that James was ever in touch with the second witness, Col. Walt Figel. James Carlson provided RU investigators with records of his correspondence with Figel, which revealed that Figel confirmed James Carlson’s interpretation of how the event actually occurred.

In March of 2010, James writes:

Robert Hastings has made much of the fact that I have refused to interview his witness, Col. (Ret.) Walter Figel, Jr., regarding his recollections of the Echo Flight Incident on March 16, 1967. To be precise, he has written “I note first that James Carlson still refuses to call retired Col. Walt Figel, to hear from his own lips, as I did in October 2008, that while on alert as the DMCCC at Malmstrom’s Echo Flight, in March 1967, he spoke with two individuals via the phone in the capsule–a missile maintenance team member and an arriving SAT team member–about a “large round object” that was hovering over one of the flight’s LFs. James’ father, Eric Carlson, lied to him some time ago–telling him that no UFOs were present when all 10 missiles dropped-off alert status–and so James has been slandering and libeling everyone who disputes that version of events ever since, Including one former MIMS tech whom I interviewed a few years ago.” He stated as well: “So, James Carlson, rant on. If you ever find the courage to call Col. Figel please let me know. I will provide his phone number, as I first offered to do a year-and-a-half ago.”

Frankly, I’ve never needed his assistance to contact Col. Figel — I’ve managed to do so quite easily on my own. The fact that I have been reticent to discuss the matter in more detail has very little to do with cowardice. I have, in fact, contacted Col. Figel, but didn’t feel that it would be very ethical to discuss in detail the event he recalls without securing first his complete cooperation, authority, and permission to do so. Having secured that this very evening, I am now prepared to discuss the matter in full. I can also add, very strongly, that my father never lied to me about anything, as Hastings claims, and that his recollections match exactly those of Col. Figel’s. I’ve “slandered and libeled” nobody, and I can say with complete confidence today that both Robert Hastings and Robert Salas have knowingly mislead their entire audience into believing a lie they were well aware of in order to sell their books.

James reported that Col Figel confirmed that:

1. Col. Figel does not believe UFOs were “even remotely associated with the Echo Flight Incident, or any other equipment failures at Malmstrom.”
2. Col. Figel confirmed that he has no interest in Ufology and is not a fan of the UFO crowd.
3. Figel stated, “I have read both of their books. There are many inaccurate statements and events in the books. I have told them both that.”
4. He also stated that Salas was “never involved in any of them (the flights) at all.”

August 2010 – James Carlson Reveals more of the Figel Communications

In August of 2010, James learned that more rumors had spread regarding his communications with Figel. Specifically, there were rumors floating about that the communications had never taken place. Once again, James entered the RU forums to set the record straight, and wrote the following commentary in a post on RealityUncovered forums:

“Gentlemen, and Ladies, In some discussions I’ve had with people in other forums, I’ve discovered that there a lot of people out in the world who are convinced that I have not had any discussions with COL.(Ret.) Walter Figel, Jr., and that my declarations to the contrary are lies. Robert Hastings has apparently decided that this is going to be stand he takes. In a recent commentary, he has stated – as he has for months – that I have never spoken with Walt Figel, who has confirmed everything that Robert Hastings has asserted regarding the Echo Flight Incident on March 16, 1967.

This is patently untrue and can be easily shown as such. Robert Hastings has knowingly published versions of this event that he has been told are false by both my father and Walt Figel, and his claims to the contrary are little more than silly attacks that are intended to delay the ruination of his and Robert Salas’ Echo Flight claims until after his pathetic little dog and pony show at the National Press Club in Washington, DC next month. The fact that he would do so at the expense of another man’s reputation doesn’t surprise me. He and Robert Salas have done this before.

The fact that he would do such a thing that is so easily countered also doesn’t surprise me, for reasons I won’t go into. I think everybody knows my opinion of him. It would very, very easy for Hastings and Salas to prove that I am lying by simply contacting Walt Figel, and getting a statement from him that I have been lying about his assertions for the past four-and-a-half months, but neither man has done this. In fact, some months ago Robert Hastings insisted that he would – within a matter of days – release statements and transcripts of his discussions with Walt Figel that would prove his case. He has failed to do so, not because he’s too busy (frankly, it wouldn’t take that long), but because he can’t.

He knows exactly what Walt Figel told me, because he and Robert Salas called him the very next day. It was my certainty that these two have made claims that not only could not be supported, but were transparently contrary to the witness statements that they have published in support of their claims, that originally motivated me to call Walt Figel in the first place – that and Hastings’ insistence that I was afraid to all Figel, because Figel would tell me that my Dad had lied to me. I wanted to confirm my conviction that he had never made the claims regarding UFO interference that Hastings and Salas have consciously and knowingly misrepresented in order to make their claims seem more likely.

This is deceptive – a judgment I reached immediately upon discussing the matter with Walt Figel, who insisted that not only were UFOs not involved at Echo Flight in March 1967, but that he has discussed this with both Hastings and Salas, and was ignored. That escalates the entire incident beyond simple deceit to one of conscious and knowing invention, an invention that has lent their claims greater support among those factions demanding public disclosure of classified documents.

Using a blatant “lie” to give support to such factions is, in my opinion, nearly to the point of a treasonable offense. For these reasons, I have decided to publish the totality of my communications with both Walt Figel, the deputy commander of Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, and Frederick Meiwald, who, according to Robert Salas, was the commander of Oscar Flight on March 24-25, 1967, which is when Salas asserts a UFO took 8-10 missiles offline, an event that emptied the command post of all armed security personnel, and ultimately resulted in the injury of one security policeman to such an extent that he had to be evacuated from the site by helicopter.

You would think that if a man was injured by a UFO during his watch after that same UFO had emptied the command post of personnel, so they could confront the UFO, fully armed, that he would probably believe that the UFO was not a figment of the entire command post’s group imagination. That’s not the case, though.

Meiwald isn’t exactly the brilliant confirmation of these events that Salas has made him out to be. Robert Hastings has recently claimed – again – that my interview with Walt Figel did not occur. He claims that Walt Figel has confirmed his entire UFO story regarding Echo Flight, and that my father has been lying about this incident for forty years. If this is true, it should be extremely easy to prove by simply calling Walt Figel, and asking him.

In fact, when I first gave details of my interview with Figel last March, Hastings stated that he could easily prove that he was correct and I was either lying or being deceptive, and that he could, and would, prove this within a matter of days. He said this in an email to the gentlemen who operate this website, Reality Uncovered, stating specifically “I will post a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations. I may even make key portions of the original audio tape available online.“  That was four-and-a-half months ago, and he hasn’t even provided a muted summary. Since then he has continued to insist that he would prove the errors in my assertions, saying, at one time or another that I was lying, was being deceptive, misunderstood what Figel was saying, etc., etc.

So prove it, Robert. Or are you just a lot of talk, without any evidence at all? Four-and-a-half months, Robert, and you’ve done nothing except call me names and insist that I’m a liar. If you are indeed a paragon of virtue, then prove it – if I’m lying, then certainly Walt Figel would agree with you, yes? How much time would it take to simply confirm that one part of your slanders? A couple of minutes? One telephone call? Do what you claimed you could easily do months ago – or are you just making noise and killing time so that those people who donated money for the fraudulent dog and pony show that you and Salas are organizing for the National Press Club in Washington, DC next month won’t have grounds to sue you? After all, if someone could show that you solicited donations based on assertions that you knew were false, which is pretty much what Walt Figel’s statements to me assert, then you’ve been soliciting funds on false pretenses, haven’t you? And not just you – Robert Salas, too.

To be continued…



Filed under: UFOlogy,UFOs — Tags: , , , , — RyanDube @ 2:01 pm




7 Comments

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    Good start to offering an alternative theory on the MAFB 1967 incident. I see that you pulled the photo that Hastings uses for his articles. I had asked Hastings why the need to air brush a ufo near the ICBM. One would think that the “real” deal could easily be had for a photo op! Please be advised that the issue revolves around the Minuteman system, yet Hastings chose to provide a photo of a Titan I missile. As they say in the legal system, “Goes towards credibility, your honor.”

    Tim

    Comment by Tim Hebert — August 16, 2010 @ 3:40 pm

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    Just having my morning coffee and a danish when I read this..LoL I put the danish down..this was even better to to go along with my coffee..Truth is so delicious and my compliments to RU for continually serving it to us .
    Years and years of lies..and lies growing like that song twelve days of Christmas…my true? love brought to me…:)
    I do wonder what will Bob and Bob’s pony show will turn into next, Two Bobs and Billy goat ? We have another “Bob” admitted hoaxter for the Alabama drone case that could be thrown in..he’ll work for free..loves attention, and we in no time can have a bakers dozen..

    RU..you may have stumbled on to something here..watching people squirm can be a real treat by itself..
    Please add that to the menu! and thanx again..

    Good Work James and thank you for vindicating your Dads name and exposing those , just doesn’t seem strong enough an adjective , Liars and lets be candid a clear case was just made….criminals

    Manny
    aka Sys_Config

    Comment by manuel — August 18, 2010 @ 1:46 pm

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    Thanks for the positive comments guys – really appreciate it! Hope to have the next part up by this weekend…

    Comment by RyanDube — August 18, 2010 @ 4:51 pm

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    Am I reading too much into it, or has Robert Hastings been uncharacteristically quiet of late?

    Comment by James Carlson — August 21, 2010 @ 11:06 pm

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    This is a lot of he said she said propaganda.

    There are files released by the Gov’t which prove there were occurrence’s at the LC’s.

    Comment by Malmstrom — September 10, 2010 @ 12:01 am

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    Bullshit. I’ve already published all of the documents available — 80 pages of FOIA documents, 75 of which have been totally ignored by both Hastings and Salas, and there were no UFO incidents at Echo Flight or Oscar Flight. The investigation into Echo Flight was extremely thorough and very well-documented, and there was no comparable incident at Oscar Flight at all. There are, however, documents that insist there were no equipment failures at Malmstrom AFB on March 24-25, 1967, which is the date Robert Salas now insists the Oscar Flight incident happened. Simply saying that “there were occurrence’s at the LC’s” doesn’t mean they were actual. If you’re going to dispute what all of the primary witnesses aside from Robert Salas have repeatedly affirmed, the least you could do is learn a little bit about it. I don’t publish propaganda — I publish facts that I’ve repeatedly confirmed with both witnesses and numerous classified documents, including TOP SECRET documentation that wasn’t even declassified until 2004. What you write is propaganda, because you insist upon an emotionally driven interpretation of events that you can’t possibly confirm, has never been documented, and that you very obviously know nothing about.

    Comment by James Carlson — September 11, 2010 @ 4:58 am

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