September 1, 2010

The Malmstrom AFB Missile/UFO Incident – Part II


In our last blog update, we heard from James Carlson, the son of one of the Echo Flight witness Eric Carlson (witness to the fact that it was a non-event, that is). In that update, James detailed, in the prolific prose for which he is now very well known for, the current dilemma that Robert Hastings and Robert Salas find themselves in.

Witness Walt Figel, upon being interviewed by James Carlson, reports that there was no UFO. Hastings claims there was a UFO event. So – what’s the story?

James Carlson has been working hard to get to the bottom of this discrepancy, and all he has received for his efforts up until now has been attempted discrediting by Hastings – with claims that James has never spoken to Figel.

In this update, James goes a step further and provides email evidence to support his direct contact with Echo Flight witness Walt Figel. As we progress in this story, RU is working to obtain final evidence to confirm the new information James now offers, which directly counters what Hastings and Salas are reporting about Echo Flight.

But first, we will continue with James’ comments in our forum – comments aimed directly at Robert Hastings and Robert Salas and challenging them to provide proof for their claims about Walt Figel and Carlson’s father. Make sure to read through to the bottom of this post, where James provides evidence of his communications with witness Walt Figel.

James Writes:

“If Walt Figel was aware - as Hastings has continuously asserted for some years now - that a UFO shut down the missiles at Echo Flight, and that my father was aware of this as well and has simply lied about the event, while Figel told the truth, then I challenge him to prove it.

Call Walt Figel, Robert, as you have promised to do time and again for the past four-and-a-half months. Your problem has come about because nobody has ever required any real standards of proof from you as a result of your ridiculous and silly claims. You’ve never attempted to apply any form of peer review to your assertions, and you’ve grown lazy, because most people who have adopted your point-of-view don’t require proof and don’t need confirmation.

The rest of the world still does, Robert, and you are unable to provide it, or you would have done so already. If I’m wrong, show me - prove it.

Make another phone call to your primary witness at Echo Flight, and show the world that Walt Figel says there was a real UFO at Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, and that my father has been lying about this for over forty years. Frankly, I’m sick of your crap, and your slanders and attacks and your continuous claims that I’m lying and that you can prove it. However, you don’t have the will or the time to do so.

I’ve got some news for you - you knowingly lied about what Figel told you regarding Echo Flight. You’ve repeatedly claimed that he confirms your UFO myth, and that my father has been lying about the event for years. You’ve claimed over and over and over again that my assertions are lies and bluff, and that you can prove this easily, and yet, in the four-and-a-half months since I spoke to him, you’ve produced NOTHING.

You and Robert Salas are frauds - you have knowingly lied to your audience about UFOs at Echo Flight. You knew long ago that Figel’s discussion of this event did not “prove” UFOs were involved at Echo Flight, but you have repeatedly claimed that they do, and your primary source for this – according to your own statements – is Walt Figel. You’ve also claimed that Walt Figel’s assertions are proof that my father has lied about this event, and you knew that wasn’t true as well.

You once offered to give me Walt Figel’s phone number so I could speak to him and thereby discover that my father had lied to me about this event. I didn’t need it, because it was easy enough to track him down on my own. But, maybe you should use it now. Do what you have been insisting you could do for the past few months and prove to the world that I haven’t spoken to Figel and that Figel hasn’t personally refuted every one of your conclusions regarding this incident. So far you’re just a lot of talk, and a lot of insulting rhetoric. In light of your prior comments, that’s pretty pathetic, don’t you think?

I have been 100% honest with the members and readers of this forum.

-> I have outlined a complete record of the events in March, 1967

-> I have backed that up with both documented evidence and the testimony of those individuals who were actually involved in that event.

-> I have asserted and proven that previous versions of this very real incident are incomplete, factually incorrect at times, and improperly confirmed.

In fact, the only possible conclusion that can be reached is that these individuals (Hastings and Salas) have very carefully and very consciously distorted the facts in order to create a paradigm supporting an event that they have invented – for whatever reason.

I think they did it for money, but maybe they did it for other reasons. The fact that they DID it, however, can’t be denied by anyone who looks at the evidence, unless they just dismiss everything and insist that I’m lying – which is what Hastings has recently suggested. I suspect that after reading the complete record of my communications with both Walt Figel and Frederick Meiwald below, he will alter his claims to suggest that Walt Figel, Frederick Meiwald, my father, and I are ALL lying, and that Robert Salas is as honest and golden as the sunrise.”

Communications Between James Carlson and Echo Flight Witness Walt Figel

James continues: “Please keep in mind that ALL of this has been part of the record since last March (2010) at the latest. If you still think I’m lying, it should be very easy to confirm, so do so. I am absolutely sick of people suggesting that I have lied about this matter without once attempting to confirm such slanderous assumptions. Robert Salas, Robert Hastings – even Frank Warren - don’t want an open discussion or dialogue regarding this matter; they want people to think I’m lying!

In fact, Hastings’ commentaries generally start with that assumption! When was the last time someone demanded any affirmations of the degree they’ve demanded of me from someone who claimed they SAW a UFO? I’m willing to bet Hastings has NEVER demanded such a level of proof – I’ll bet he simply accepted their claims without examination. I know for a fact he hasn’t applied any such need for immediate proof to Robert Salas, because if he had, Salas could never have been so inconsistent regarding his own claims - and inconsistency is the single most consistent and common factor characterizing those claims!

Please find attached the complete text of my written communications with COL.(Ret.) Walter Figel, Jr., currently living in Colorado.

I have also included my communications with LTCOL.(Ret.) Frederick Meiwald, the commander of Oscar Flight who Robert Salas insists was with him the day the missiles at Osar Flight supposedly failed as the result of extreme interference by a UFO that emptied the command post of all security personnel during an armed event, and injured one security policeman to such an extent that he required a medical evacuation via helicopter. He asserts as well that he doesn’t believe in UFOs, which is a strange thing to say in light of Salas’ claims that a man under his command was injured and evacuated as a result of said injury by a UFO. In any case, in my final letter to him, I extended my sympathies regarding his mother, and promised not to disturb him again. I haven’t written to him, nor have I heard from him since.”

[Note from author - Oscar Flight witness communications will be published in the blog in the next post. For the sake of brevity, I've omitted James' initial emails to Figel do to their length, but you can read them in their entirety in the forum.]

Walter Figel’s Response to James on Thursday, February 18, 2010:

Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:10 PM

From Walter Figel, Jr. Fri Feb 19 01:10:36 2010

James

First – you are not bothering me at all

Second – you are welcome to call me any time that you would like

Third – Your dad and I always got along and there is no problem between us at all that I am aware of

Fourth – If I can be of any help to you, please ask away

I hope that your dad is well

Home phone [WALT FIGEL'S HOME TELEPHONE NUMBER]

Cell [WALT FIGEL'S PRIMARY CELL TELEPHONE NUMBER]

I am retired from [FORMER EMPLOYER] but I still do some consulting for them

I am home this week

Please feel free to call any time to about 10:00 pm

I am home this evening

I will be home all day Friday except from 11:30-13:30 for a lunch appointment

I will be at my son’s house Sat and out to dinner that evening

Sunday I’ll be in Colorado Springs with the boys for an art exhibit

Monday I fly to Albany

Walt

After publicly reporting the things that he learned on the phone directly from Walt Figel, James found himself under direct attack from Hastings and his supporters. James went back to Walt for some support to defend himself.

Re: Request

Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:14 PMFrom: “James T. Carlson” To: ” Jr.Walter Figel” < [WALT FIGEL'S EMAIL ADDRESS] >

Dear Mr. Figel,

If you don’t have the time or desire to contact me again regarding this matter, please tell me.

Robert Hastings is now stating “As for Col. Walt Figel not confirming what I’ve written, how would you know, given that you have been too cowardly to call him, to hear what he told me directly, despite my pleas that you do so? His comments posted on this thread are verbatim excerpts from my taped conversation with him. As others posting here have previously noted, you are the *only* one who thinks that Figel agrees with your position. Talk about deep denial. (Drew Clueless doesn’t count here, given his 100/1 inaccuracy-to-accuracy ratio when attempting to interpret anything anyone else has posted here.)”

Some kind of response from you would be appreciated, particularly some discussion regarding the issues I asked you about on 2/19, but if you don’t intend to respond, knowing that would be helpful as well.

Thanks in advance.

Most sincerely,

James Carlson

Albuquerque, NM

Unfortunately – James found himself in the middle of a situation that truth-seekers here are RU are accustomed to. Discover the truth, report it with evidence, and come under harsh attack from believers and of course the promoters of false claims. Standard situation – unfortunately, until James came to RU, he was fighting this fight alone.

Walt Figel, understanding this characteristic of the horrid UFO community, Walt responds on March 2 with the following comment (emphasis mine):

I am not a fan of Salas, Hastings, or the whole UFO crowd

I have never seen one and flatly don’t believe they exist at all

I just want you to be clear of my position on UFOs

They make good science fiction – nothing more

I have read both of their books

There are many inaccurate statements and events in the books

I have told them both that

For instance, Oscar flight NEVER had any problems and Salas was NEVER involved in any of them at all just for starters

I think that they are just enjoying the notariety of the situation

Let me know when to call and I will do so tonight

Regards

Walt

About a week later, after once again coming under attack by Hastings and his supporters, James is forced yet again to ask Walt for confirmation regarding some of Hastings more recent claims.

Forwarded Message: Re: telephone conversation

Re: telephone conversation

Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:26 AM

From: “James T. Carlson” To: ” Jr.Walter Figel” < [WALT FIGEL'S EMAIL ADDRESS] >

Dear Col. Figel,

I’ve had a couple of emails from different people today regarding some statements I wrote; specifically RobertHastings wrote them a letter stating the following:

“I re-interviewed Walt Figel on Monday evening. Salas re-interviewed him on Tuesday evening. We have both conversations on audiotape and we are currently transcribing them. We asked Figel to address James Carlson’s interpretation of his statements and position on various things. James will not like what Walt had to say.

Figel has given Salas and me permission to publicize his statements as we see fit. I will post a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations. I may even make key portions of the original audio tape available online.”

[snip]

If you would please send me a quick email or telephone me, I would very much appreciate it. I’ve told the above gentlemen what I believe to be the truth, and that the email from Robert Hastings is probably just more of his garbage, but if I’m wrong, I’d like to know, so I can correct my errors. And if my acts got you more involved in a discussion you didn’t want to get further involved with, I am sincerely sorry for that.

Tell me what I can do to fix it, and I promise you I will do so — whatever it is; just tell me how you’d like it done.and that the email from Robert Hastings is probably just more of his garbage, but if I’m wrong, I’d like to know, so I can correct my errors. And if my acts got you more involved in a discussion you didn’t want to get further involved with, I am sincerely sorry for that. Tell me what I can do to fix it, and I promise you I will do so — whatever it is; just tell me how you’d like it done.

Regards,

James Carlson

[PRIVATE INFORMATION DELETED]

Albuquerque, NM

Walt Figel Provides a Full Writeup in Response to Hastings’ and Salas’ Claims

Walt wrote a fantastic response to James – a detailed and full review of the situation and his take on it. In this author’s opinion, Walt’s statement is the final word on the matter, and Hastings and Salas have much to answer for. Walt wrote (emphasis mine):

Re: telephone conversation
Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:03 AM
From Walter Figel, Jr. Thu Mar 11 14:03:27 2010

Re: telephone conversation.eml

James

I guess you must have posted something somewhere that got Hastings attention
He did call and we did speak for a bit, so did Salas.
You should know that both calls were very cordial as was ours.

However, I think you guys have a pissing contest going that I would rather not get in the middle of. I have no vested or financial interests in UFOs and actually not even a passing interest in them. Guess I am different from most people. But, I could really care less about the subject.

I reasserted that I personally never did see a UFO at any time.
I do not personally “believe” that UFOs had anything to do with Echo flight shutting down that year.
I repeated that I never heard about an incident at November or Oscar flight and have no knowledge that they ever happened and that I doubted they did.
That is obviously a personal opinion as I can not prove the negative.

I repeated that Colonel Dick Evans was at the alternate command post at Kilo which is in the same squadron as November and Oscar and he never mentioned anything about a shutdown at either of these two flights.

If it did happen, I personally don’t know anything about it.

One of their books said I had a personal log – I did not.

The only log I ever filled out was the official log that all flights kept and that I do not and never did have a copy of that log. Obviously I can not remember what I wrote that morning.

One of the books says that the flight shut down in “seconds” – that is not an exactly accurate statement.

It obviously took some time for your dad and I to run the appropriate checklists and make all the calls that we had to make to the command post and maintenance. We were near the end of the checklist when the second missile shut down and shortly threafter the rest of them followed suit.

That sequence of events took several minutes not seconds, but that is all a very minor point in fact and doesn’t change the facts of the overall sequence of events that morning.

I told him that when someone mentioned UFOs, I just laughed it off as a joke and assumed someone was just kidding around. I never took it seriously.

I also told them that no one from any UFO office in the Air Force ever interviewed/deriefed your dad and/or me and that I do not remember ever signing any papers about anything.

In fact, I told them that until he mentioned it, I did not even know there was an office that monitored sightings of “UFOs” in the Air Force.

When your dad and I came topside the next day – no one ever said anything about UFOs and there was no “large gathering” of people on site that morning.

There may have been later that afternoon, but I would have no knowledge of that as we were long gone back to the base as usual.

I did not know the targeting office’s name or even know that he was there.

I did say there was a VRSA recording reporting a “Channel 9 – NO GO” reported.
They said that the maintenance crews had no such report at the LF.
I told him that I did not know how the system worked at the missile site so that I do not know if that is possible or not.

I have always maintained that I do not personally believe in UFOs.

I am not convinced that November or Oscar ever happened.

But these are obviously personal opinions and I can not state them as facts or prove them – they are my personal beliefs.

I also believe these statements are accurate.

I also believe that is what I said 2 years ago, but I don’t have recordings.
So my knowledge is very slim and I have no records about anything at all.
In addition, that was 43 years ago and memories fail – especially about things that were not especially important to me at the time.
Today, I can’t remember what time my wedding was and that I assure you is more important to me then and now. And that was in 1971.

So if this is a help, so be it.
But I would rather stay out of any long standing debate about UFOs and leave that to the experts and researchers and those who know or at least truely believe that they know. After all they may be right and proven so some day.

As for me, I’ll just go my way as a skeptic until proven wrong.

As you can see, I cc’d Hastings so that you both have the same piece of paper. I don’t think that there are any inconsistencies in what I said to either of you. If there are, I’m sorry, that is not my intention at all.

Good luck in your pursuits. Stay professional and all will benefit.
Regards to your dad, I wish him well. It’s been many years.

With that said, I hope that this tug of war is over and the three of you can resolve your differences about the whole affair.

Walt

With Walt’s final, well-written words, I close this post.

In the next update, you will have an opportunity to read, for the first time anywhere online (other than our forums), James’ exchange with LTCOL.(Ret.) Frederick Meiwald, the commander of Oscar Flight, regarding Hastings’ and Salas’ claims about the event.

Stay tuned. There’s more to come.



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21 Comments

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    Many thanks for the above. The chief thing needed by Mr. Carlson is a good editor and I appreciate the effort above.

    Hastings is often called a “respected” UFO researcher, which is actually more of an indictment against UFO researchers than anything else. I can think of very very few folks in the field who would be considered “respected” when compared to the way research is done in the real world. Hastings would not be on the list.

    Witness Hastings’ hilarious hysteria when he saw a silly hoax YouTube video (showing a huge craft hovering over Moscow) and solemnly requested that witnesses come forward. Hastings actually thought that a huge UFO could plainly hover over a major city and that the only news outlet for the event would be YouTube!

    I have watched Hastings intentionally torment Mr. Carlson on discussion boards, calling his father a liar, etc.

    Tim Printy did an excellent summary of Mr. Carlson’s side of the story in his SUNlite newsletter. While I wholly support Carlson’s efforts, I really hope he will realize and find another writer who can take his information, summarize and condense it. Carlson uses WAY too much rhetoric when it really isn’t needed. The facts are strong enough to show that Hastings’ has invented his story of Nukes and UFOs.

    Lance

    Comment by Lance Moody — September 1, 2010 @ 4:18 pm

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    Lance, I think you will be pleased to see what Ryan is currently working on when it’s done. He’s taken the initiative to go beyond merely editing James’ material to make it more fit for human consumption…

    (no pressure there Ryan lol)

    Comment by Access Denied — September 2, 2010 @ 3:40 pm

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    The problem that James Carlson has is that he presents himself, and his material, in the poorest possible manner – and that kind of thing matters. As the old saying goes, you only get one chance to make a first impression, and Carlson’s first impression with me was not favourable.

    However, the response by Hastings to Carlson’s claims has been equally unprofessional. It should be easy to refute Carlson’s claims if Hastings has those audio tapes that he claims to have. It’s a simple thing to place them, in their entirety (so that there is no hint of manipulation), on the Internet, for everyone to see and judge for themselves. That he has not as of yet done so, speaks volumes. That he has not, to my knowledge, offered a reasonable explanation for Figel’s e-mail above, also speaks volumes.

    This case was featured in my film Best Evidence: Top 10 UFO Sightings in 2007, for television in Canada and New Zealand. The choice of the top 9 cases was determined by a group of over 40 UFO researchers, each of whom submitted a top ten list, which was then averaged together. The Malmstrom case came in at #6. It did not make my own personal top 10 list, nor does it today, particularly given the questions that have been raised about it. If James Carlson, in spite of his problems with presentation and his hotheadedness, can solve the case, then that’s great. At the moment, it looks to me as if he’s presented a pretty good case, albeit one that has gotten lost in his bluster until recently.

    Paul Kimball

    Comment by Paul Kimball — September 6, 2010 @ 2:23 pm

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    The history of UFO reports above or nearby nuclear bases goes back before Malmstrom and are recorded in the mid-50s bulletins and zines like FSR. They represent one of the ongoing, Rorschach themes of the UFO phenomena going back to the 1940s. Blue Book, Hynek, Dick Hall and NICAP record a number of incidents. The Indian Point incident in Hynek’s ‘Night Siege’ book has been without follow-up investigation as far as I know. I’d like to see RA or Hastings check if it holds up.

    Neither Carlson or Hastings are the last word on the reported sightings. If one or the other is shown to be dishonest or mistaken in relation to Malmstrom, there still remains these other reports. In recent months, a lot of attention has been focused on the conflicting accounts of these adversaries. It’s inevitable that if Hastings doesn’t provide his evidence, people will discount or doubt the credibility of the other historical reports. If he doesn’t provide his taped evidence he’ll be personally discredited.

    If he does provide evidence, we’re left with questions about Figel’s consistency. At the same time, Col. Halt has been contentious regarding Rendlesham. Florenz Mansmann has likewise been overlooked in his support of Bob Jacob’s account of a UFO incident at Vandenberg. It seems like credibility of authority is selective.

    Whether Carlson or Hastings are found to be in the right (or both?), there are enough issues remaining to keep the topic subjectively inconclusive imo.

    I hope the forthcoming RA article/summary will at least help to make the Malmstrom AFB less subjective and more conclusive….one way or another.

    Comment by Kandinsky — September 7, 2010 @ 8:33 pm

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    Hi Kandinsky,

    From what I understand of Carlson’s statements, he isn’t particularly interested in other cases which involve nuclear facilities or missile bases, of which there are, as you say, more than a few. Rather, he is focused on the one Malmstrom incident which involved his father, and the two men who have done the most to promote it, Robert Hastings and Bob Salas.

    Paul

    Comment by Paul Kimball — September 7, 2010 @ 9:39 pm

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    So if James Carlson wasn’t such an impersonable bastard, Paul Kimball would have been easier to convince? Good God, who the hell cares? Paul Kimball is still making money on a lie, he’s just stepping back a bit from the “dedication”. I’m not trying to sell anything, Paul — that’s the primary difference between me and everybody else involved in this little hoop-la, including you. The extent of my good manners has nothing to do with any of it, and whether or not you like my presentation is irrelevant. I’ve been telling the truth since 2006, only now it’s a little harder for you to ignore it — and that’s the only important point to make here. Don’t you remember the one and only email that you ever sent me, and what you said in it? You told me that you already knew most of the stuff I wrote about in “Americans, Credulous”, and that you didn’t really care. So get off of your high horse, and quit trying to come out of this thing smelling like roses, because you stink of sold values. You may not like my delivery, but everything I’ve said is very easily confirmed, and you’ve failed utterly to even try to do so. What kind of person does that make you? How much money did you make off of this little ride, Paul? Just so we all know what level ground we’re on here… Because from my point of view, it looks like I’m the only one who can convincingly say, “I’m not for sale.” As for your attempts to misdirect responsibility to “a group of over 40 UFO researchers”, I have only one word: bollocks. I’ve decided I like using that word, so thanks for giving me good reason and opportunity to do so. Here’s a news flash, pal: nobody cares whether you like my delivery or not, because in the long run, I’m just an honest man who trusts his father, while you’re a film director who sells the lies of folks like Robert Hastings and Robert Salas for a living. So, bollocks.

    And as for Hastings’ promise to provide recordings of conversations with Walt Figel proving the contrary of what’s been published here, we’re counting down at 5 months since he first made that promise. And he said at that time it would only take him a day or so to do it. I hope nobody’s holding their breath.

    Comment by James Carlson — September 7, 2010 @ 9:49 pm

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    James, for you to have apparently convinced Paul and for him to comment here speaks volumes to the UFO community. I would consider that a blessing… like he said, many “top” UFOlogists considered this one of their top ten cases. If that’s not making a difference, I don’t know what is…

    Comment by Access Denied — September 8, 2010 @ 5:49 am

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    You may be right — you know a lot more about that particular audience than I do. From my point of view, however, all he’s doing is reacting to something he can’t deny, and he’s doing it at the same time he’s criticizing me. He’s had plenty to say on other forums as well, and all of it was insulting, and was colored with the same “this guy’s got serious mental problems” brush that Hastings has been using to try to discredit everything I’ve ever asserted. What he’s doing now is damage control — it’s a strategic retreat and that’s all it is. And, frankly, I don’t need anybody’s endorsement so badly that I’d put up with crap like that.

    Comment by James Carlson — September 8, 2010 @ 8:40 am

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    Well for balance sake I recommend watching the “Strange But True Special” on ufos (youtube) — where a panel of skeptics faces off a panel of true believers. Paul’s uncle is quite bombastic in the debate but the Strange But True host handles it all quite well. Still during the show 100,000 people in the U.K. called in, overwhelmingly stating they believed E.T. aliens had visited Earth. Considering James Carlson has a family connection to a ufological topic, similar to how Paul does to Stan Friedman, then maybe James will be the new Stan Friedman of the “open minded” skeptic scene. If Stan can be so convincing regarding the case for E.T. aliens visiting Earth using his bombastic style then James should feel no less worthy to follow in his procedural footsteps.

    Anyway Jenny Randles has a great cameo in that Strange But True Special on ufos — Randles points out that Rendlesham’s triangle craft sighting coincided with a Russian nuclear-powered satellite getting downed while it flew over the U.K. Stan thinks that if the military had secret triangle crafts able to do the performance levels recorded by the Belgiums, for example, then surely said secret would have already been revealed. Since it has not then it must be a cosmic watergate according to Paul’s uncle Stan.

    I personally greatly appreciate James Carlson revealing the secret behind Malstrom, thereby also keeping his dad from being misrepresented, especially considering the tendency Western society has to worship high technology as some cosmic watergate coverup of spiritual proportions. Nope there was a computer failure at Malstrom, just as a failure brought down the Soviet satellite, nevertheless coinciding with an attributed E.T. alien coverup. At Rendlesham the crash of the satellite failure was more likely caused by foreign human technology instead of alien e.t. technology but then no one is really in charge of the machines anyway.

    As Jenny Randles calls it – the OZ Factor or OZ Effect — the emperor of the cosmic watergate truly, in the end, wears no clothes.

    Comment by drew hempel — September 8, 2010 @ 6:23 pm

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    But wait Robert Salas is on coasttocoastam tonight promoting his version of the 1967 Montana nuclear base UFO sightings…..

    So will James Carlson be on coasttocoastam so the truth can get out — or will the masses continue to be deceived?

    Comment by drew hempel — September 10, 2010 @ 7:14 am

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    Ha — Salas just concurred with Noory that Walt Figel would say, to this day, that UFOs caused the shut down of the missile site. Time to get James Carlson on coasttocoastam

    Comment by drew hempel — September 10, 2010 @ 7:30 am

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    Man, he’s shameless!

    Comment by James Carlson — September 10, 2010 @ 2:06 pm

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    To date no one, other than Salas and Hastings have contacted me. I don’t know if Salas is lying, if he has told the story so many times that he believes it, or he truly believes it, but it is false. There were not UFOs reported and Oscar Flight did not shut down.

    Comment by Eric Carlson — September 11, 2010 @ 11:37 pm

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    Eric you were told to shut up you know a UFO was at Malmstrom.

    Robert Salas and Bob Jamison have signed and notarized affidavits

    and you have nothing

    why?

    because you know your lying and looking at the evidence against you it appear Robert Salas is telling the truth.

    Comment by Steve — September 20, 2010 @ 4:20 am

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    Why don’t you try do debunk real hoaxes RU? you are clearly over your head in this debate going up against people with alot more experience and knowledge than you.

    In a court of law you would never make it because you only use second hand information and use a mentally disturbed, dellusional man as your primary witness.

    It appears by the lack of interest by UFOLOGY in this article that Robert Hastings has come out a clear winner.

    The evidence of the Malmstrom UFO and Robert Salas has stood up to your scrutiny.

    Clearly Hastings has all the evidence in his court. Since your the new kids you are just getting started

    Comment by Steve — September 20, 2010 @ 4:26 am

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    Listen, Steve, nothing Salas has written has stood up to scrutiny — that’s why he’s changed his story six times since he first went public with it. Do you know how many times my Dad has changed his story? Zero. He’s told the same story from day one. And why is it that people who obviously don’t know squat about the law are always the first ones in line to insist that “in a court of law, you’d never win this contest”? In a court of law, everything that my father has claimed can be very easily proven — take a look someday at the 80-pages of FOIA documents regarding this incident. They leave absolutely no doubt regarding what happened in March 1967. You combine that with the fact that I can very easily prove on any friggin’ day of the week that both Hastings and Salas have told numerous lies regarding this incident, and I don’t think you’d find a whole lot of juries in this country willing to agree with you. Hell, I’m more than willing to test it, though! Robert Hastings and Robert Salas are both liars … that should do it. If that’s not a true statement, then I’ve just committed libel — PLEASE! ask Salas and Hastings to sue me for libel — it would sure as Hell be in a court of law then, pal. And we could just see who would win this little back and forth in court. I’m BEGGING you — get them to take me to court. But I’m pretty positive that it’ll never happen. You see, they’re both a lot smarter than you are. I know that for a fact, because you’re the kind of guy who is out there buying their books, and their videotapes, and paying to see them give their little speeches. Their paychecks are written and signed by idiots like you, so you’re either part of the audience of fools, or you’re on the payroll, like Frank Warren. Either way, the load of rubbish you’ve written above is easily deciphered by most people: it’s just more crap from the sewage Hastings and Salas have created. Cheers, buddy — buy yourself a life someday; you’re wasting the one God gave you.

    Comment by James Carlson — September 20, 2010 @ 11:30 pm

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    Stay Tuned folks

    ****A crushing defeat for you at RU is in the works****** your Malmstrom article is about to be ripped up ******and audio recording will prove Robert Salas to be the one telling the truth

    ***after that Jim and Eric Carlson will have to explain—why they lied?? many questions will be asked.

    Robert Hastings will have the audio recordings of Eric Carlson and Walt Figel admitting to everything Salas has been saying and it will be posted by the middle of the week, I talked to him today and we cannot wait to post it at UFO chronicles.

    ** This will rip RU’ expose attempt of Malmstrom into bitty bitty bitty shreds and throw it away****

    After that we will distribute all the audio recordings proving Robert Salas and Robert Hastings to be telling truth** and we will have Audio to prove it

    you cannot escape this

    In the middle of the week we can officially putting the lid on RU’s little expose

    and it appears Hastings will come out the winner and with——–>> ***AUDIO RECORDINGS*** to prove it.

    Don’t think this is going to happen??? Just watch and find out what awaits you very very soon.

    Comment by Jim — September 21, 2010 @ 10:55 am

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    Hey Jim,

    You left out: “***SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!!!***”

    If Hastings has had audio recordings to back Salas’ claims, why doesn’t he post them up today? Does he have to finish editing out all of the parts where Walt and Eric state that they did not hear or see anything regarding a UFO?

    Furthermore – which trumps which, an interview from *several years ago* where the word “UFO” might have been casually said by Figel during a phone conversation, or an interview barely a month or two ago?

    I look forward to hearing the audio (hopefully unedited). What’s the date on them, btw?

    Please see the rest of my comments in the comment area of part 4, and please stop spamming our blog.

    -Ryan

    Comment by RyanDube — September 21, 2010 @ 1:46 pm

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    Steve – our stats for these articles do not support your comment that there’s lack of interest.

    -Ryan

    Comment by RyanDube — September 21, 2010 @ 1:47 pm

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    Jim — so we’re all going to “stay tuned”, as you suggest, but please keep in mind that we’re not going to “stand still” while we await the non-existent retorts from Salas and Hastings. When I first published the results of my interviews with COL. (Ret.) Walt Figel last March, Hastings immediately wrote a statement insisting that he would post within a couple of days more transcripts of his interviews with Figel proving that everything my father and I have asserted is untrue. “Within a couple of days” has since grown to over FIVE MONTHS, and he’s published NOTHING in response. In fact, he’s now actively telling his various stooges around the world that I have lied completely about even contacting Walt Figel, which he is very aware is a lie itself, since Walt Figel sent us both the exact same email. You think I’m lying about this? I can prove it completely with absolutely no difficulties, because I’ve saved every email I’ve ever received in relation to Echo Flight. Nobody is making this stuff up — ROBERT HASTINGS IS A LIAR AND I HAVE ALREADY PROVEN IT!! In fact. as a result of the numerous lies that he has written to numerous third parties, I have an excellent case of libel that I am currently putting together, one that I absolutely cannot lose!

    In any case, why are YOU talking about all of the iron-clad evidence that Hastings is in possession of and will soon publish to the horrible consternation of everybody at RU? Who the Hell are YOU, Jim? Are you just another of his attack dog stooges that he releases on occasion everytime he wants to say something that he’s too cowardly to say in person? Why in the world would anybody give a damn what YOU have to say? Bring in Robert Hastings! Let him defend himself for a change!! He’s a cowardly piece of garbage who attacks people incessantly when he has no answer to their extremely valid criticisms! I’ve been waiting for five months for these non-existent retorts that he is apparently “compiling” that I am equally positive don’t even exist! He’s also promised — in the forums at ATS — that he would willingly answer a list of 49 very valid and specific questions that I put to him 4-5 months ago, and would do so after a little trip he was taking to Alaska, which he took and then came home from 4-5 months ago! He hasn’t bothered to answer even one, and a lot of people have asked him about this! He is always saying that he’ll answer the criticisms, that he’ll prove the lies, that he’ll supply the transcripts, but it’s been five goddamn months and he has produced NOTHING except personal attacks and more promises. I don’t mean any offense, pal, but are you BRAIN DEAD? When will you wake up from your apparent coma and realize that he has NO response?

    Let me ask you, why is it that everytime I come online at any forum he is expounding his BS on, he immediately signs off? Why does he ignore every question I’ve ever presented to him, when simply answering them would increase his own credibility? Why has he promised to publish these transcripts — a two day job at best — for the past five going on six months if he actually has them, when doing so immediately could only increase his credibility? Why is it that everytime I ask a question of him or Robert Salas in the comments section of the articles they publish at UFOCHRONICLES, they very quietly remove those questions in the middle of the night like some sad little sneak thief, delete them entirely, and refuse to acknowledge them at all, when a simple answer that you insist they can easily supply could only increase their credibility? Good God, man, even Paul Kimball, the filmmaker behind “Best Evidence” that first elevated this ridiculous dog of a UFO fable to a position as one of ten UFO cases best supported by the evidence has acknowledged that Hastings’ silence the past 5-6 months has done him great damage, and has lost him a seemngly insurmountable pile of credibility, so your refusal to even examine that aspect of the Great Silence of Robert Hastings borders on behavior so deviant that you might want to have it looked into. Hell, maybe you’ve got a brain tumor — couldn’t hurt to check, huh?

    Bring on Hastings — ’cause you’ve got nothing interesting to say; you don’t even understand this case; you’re just a loser with access to a public library PC who can’t do anything more than mouth the most recent whining coming out of the Salas-Hastings camp. You’re just a waste of bandwidth, pal…

    Comment by James Carlson — September 21, 2010 @ 8:25 pm

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