January 28, 2010

John Alexander – Mr. Non-Lethal With Many Hands in Many Pots



John Alexander

Rtd Col John Alexander. Copyright: Sam Morris, Las Vegas Sun


John B. Alexander. Who is this man? Many people have heard of him in different capacities and within different contexts. Some are aware of his technical work in the field of non-lethal weapons – in fact, he is a man who has been deeply involved within the military-industrial complex for many years. Other people know of him from his very early days in the U.S. Army from 1956 through 1988, when he finally retired as a Colonel.

The man is no slouch – having served time in Vietnam leading Special Forces teams. After the war was over, he worked his way up through the ranks until his last position as the Director at the Advanced systems Concepts Office under General Stubblebine.

As many people know, the Ufologist who was the original victim (or collaborator) of an elaborate effort to distribute MJ-12 documents upon the Ufology community was Bill Moore. Bill Moore eventually reported the names of all of his contacts during those MJ-12 years (1980s) in the form of his “Aviary” list of contacts. John Alexander was one of those contacts.

Coincidentially, John Alexander’s retirement from military/government work and his entry into private research at Los Alamos National Laboratory somewhat coincided with Hal Puthoff’s 1985 retirement from his Remote Viewing government contract and entry into private research at his privately owned research institute in Texas. Hal was also a member of Moore’s “Aviary” list of contacts. Coincidentally, Dr. Christopher “Kit” Green also retired from full time government work (CIA) in 1985 to enter into private industry as well, doing neuroscience work for General Motors.

At Los Alamos, Alexander began his work on Non-Lethal Defense technologies. Like Kit Green, he maintained contractual connections with government agencies, attended conferences and conducted briefings or talks for various U.S. Government and Intelligence organizations as well as collaborating and heading up various research endeavors with organizations throughout Industry and Academia. His non-lethal technology work is very public. He has wrtten articles in The Boston Globe and the Washington Post, and his work has been featured in publications like Scientific American, Wired and TV programs like CNN and Dateline. Now that you have an idea of the man’s public life, it’s time to dig deeper and explore into the man’s private endeavors that many people in the general public don’t know a whole lot about.

Dumpster Diving into Ufology

Like Kit Green and Hal Puthoff, John Alexander was listed by Bill Moore and others as a “U.S. Intelligence Contact” throughout the mid and late 1980s. Coincidentally, the public release of MJ-12 perfectly coincided with the military/government retirements of these men. What other evidence is there regarding the specifics of Alexander’s involvement with Ufologists during the mid to late 1980’s?

Once again, Bob Collin’s book Exempt from Disclosure leaks more information into the public domain that was previously hidden in secrecy, or at least obscurity. Also like Hal, Kit and most of Moore’s other contacts, Alexander has a direct connection to the parapsychology research that was ongoing within the military at the time. In particular, John Alexander worked under General Albert “Bert” Stubblebine III within INSCOM – looking for ways to improve the psychic performance of the military remote viewers.

In fact, according to “Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America’s Psychic Spies”, by Jim Schnabel, Stubblebine signed contracts with the Monroe Institute to test various hypnosis techniques to enhance remote viewer’s performance.

The Turning Point – When Paranormal Research Results in Disaster


John Alexander (Los Alamos), Gordon Novel, and John's wife Victoria


In 1984, General Stubblebine sent an officer to the Monroe Institute for another “RV enhancement” test. According to one of our sources, the technique that the Monroe institute applied to this particular officer was one where all stimuli was removed from the environment. Clothes, lights or sounds were all removed, leaving the officer stark naked in a pitch-black room. The event led to the officer having a psychotic breakdown, and finally Stubblebine’s “retirement” in 1984.

We’re talking about a man, now featured in the major motion film “The Men Who Stare at Goats” as repeatedly attempting to walk through a wall, only to collide with it. We confirmed with several sources that this really took place.

What does all of this have to do with Ufology? Well, psychic phenomenon was not all Stubblebine or Alexander were interested in. In 1991, years after his retirement, Stubblebine, C.B. Scott Jones, and two Ufologists Victoria Lacas and Rima Laibow (who later became his second wife), traveled throughout Europe and the Soviet Union conducting research (and making contacts) into UFO and Psychic phenomenon there. Later, Stubblebine and his new wife Rima held “spoon-bending” parties for their elite friends and colleagues.

How much was Alexander involved with Stubblebine and C.B. Scott Jones in all of this research? Well, Victoria Lacas is now Victoria Alexander – John’s wife. Read Victoria’s comments about the film “The Men Who Stare at Goats.” In the 1990’s, John went on to work part-time for Bigelow-funded National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS), alongside the usual fringe-research folks – Hal Puthoff, Kit Green, Kolm Kelleher and others.

And for those of you who thought Gordon Novel only recently popped up on the Ufology radar in recent years with his strange “RAM” project – take another good, long look at the photo above.

John Alexander and Ufology

On Page 8 of Exempt from Disclosure, under a section titled “Summits without the cocktails, the fall of 1986,” Collins writes:

“Ernie Kellerstrass had Bill Moore, Jaime Shandera, Hal Puthoff, Col. John Alexander (author of the book, Future War), Scott Jones (assistant for Senator Pell), and I over to his house in Beavercreek, OH (suburb of Dayton OH) for dinner. All of our meetings were very somber with most of us lookin glike stiffs right out of an “X-Files” show.”

At the time, Alexander was not yet retired, and still actively working on classified remote viewing work while taking part in these private UFO meetings. Given the ongoing activities, up to 2005 and beyond, of many of the individuals listed in this paragraph by Collins, we thought that it is very likely John Alexander is also still involved and active as well.

So, we decided to go straight to the horse’s mouth and ask John Alexander directly about these matters. His responses were interesting. The interesting part was more in what he chose not to answer, rather than what he answered.

The John Alexander Interview

Ryan: On Page 8 of Exempt from Disclosure, Collins writes: “[pasted quote above]” – Could you describe why you agreed to take part in this “summit without the cocktails” in 1986, with personalities like Kellerstrass and Ufologists Bill Moore and Jaime Shandera?

John: Don’t understand the question or context. Did meet him once. Certainly no summit.

Ryan: The context was a meeting in 1986 at Ernie Kellerstrass’ house in Beavercreek, Ohio – apparently to discuss some of Ernie’s stories related to UFOs. Again – could you describe why you agreed to meet with Ernie to discuss the topic? Did a friend invite you, or did Ernie himself?

John: Not sure – that was over 20 years ago and not of a great deal of importance.

Ryan: I know that you were involved (are involved) with non-lethal research, and back then it was just about a year or so from your military retirement and entry into private research. Your interest and involvement in the PSI field is well-documented (such as in your book and in the movie) – but I’m trying to understand why you were interested in UFOs and if there was some connection to your PSI work?

John: Am interested in many areas.

Ryan: On page 9, Collins describes a cloak and dagger operation where the members of the group he just outlined all traveled individually to meet with Executive Producer Seligman (the person who eventually produced “Cover Up Live” featuring Collins and Doty) in Dayton, OH at a secluded State Park. Did you take part in this operation to brief Seligman, and if so, why were you specifically involved and what did information did you plan to share with the Executive Producer?

John: No.

Ryan: On page 11, Collins describes yet another meeting in September of 1988 where everyone met in Albuquerque, NM to conduct interviews for the 1988 UFO show. Were you specifically interviewed by the producers of that show either at the Albuquerque interviews or at any other time or place? If so, can you share what information you provided to the producers and why?

John: No.

Ryan: Throughout the years, Collins consistently refers to a secret “Los Alamos” source who discusses UFO/Alien matters with him. Are you that source, and why?

John: No.

Ryan: On November 3rd, 2009, your wife, Victoria Alexander, wrote a review for the movie “The Men who Stare at Goats.” In that review she writes: “John was formerly with the U.S. Army Intelligence & Security Command (INSCOM) under Major General Albert Stubblebine.” We’ve learned that previous to Bert’s retirement, the last incident that led to his departure was related to a case at the Monroe Institute where he subjected an officer to a particular treatment meant to increase psychic ability (we were told it was the removal of all stimuli) which drove the officer into a psychotic state.

Were these events taking place while you were working for Stubblebine – and can you share more details about the event and how it impacted your own personal beliefs and research related to PSI effects?

John: Yes, Pat was not wound too tight to begin with. TMI was a step too far for him, and he had missed the examination process that all of the other attendees went through. He recovered just fine. Bert didn’t, but that’s another story. Recommend you read The Warrior’s Edge. Most of the stuff I wrote in that book.

Final Words

I admit – the interview felt like it was a bit “lacking” in substance or openness. John was evasive and ignored a number of the questions – in a few cases the most important ones. John ignored the importance of that 1986 meeting that Collins described as involving the group of people Moore eventually identified as his list of contacts throughout the MJ-12 affair. The fact that Alexander was on that list, and here he was meeting with other folks related to the topic of UFOs, is very likely not lost on our more discerning readers.

In short, based upon a close review of his history, associates and which pots his hands are in, in combination with his brisk and evasive answers – I have to conclude that John Alexander is far more involved in these particular Ufology matters than he would like people to know about. I am now even more suspicious than ever before that John was one of the integral players in the distribution effort of the MJ-12 memes upon the public domain, starting in the 1980’s and continuing throughout the next several decades to today.

In time, through interviewing additional players, digging further into the background activities and events, and uncovering more about the interactions among the various players – we will be able to definitively prove or disprove that suspicion.

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Filed under: Serpo, UFOlogy, UFOs — Tags: , , , , — RyanDube @ 4:34 am




August 3, 2009

The Strange World of Back Engineered UFO Technology


darpa1 The world of reverse engineering is indeed a strange one. It’s a landscape of claims and counter claims. Fantastic stories and skeptical analysis. The characters are legendary and the truth elusive. One constant is the proposition that DARPA may be the agency responsible for any advances in the technology.  While DARPA does have a hand in a lot of advances in technology, they only push projects forward - they don’t do the work. As noted by Nicholas Evans in Military Gadgets 2004 "airplane, tank, radar, jet engine, helicopter, electronic computer, stealth technology and internet, none of these that transformed warfare in the 20 and 21st century owed their initial development to the military but were accelerated into service by DARPA." And they work with a limited budget.

A quick look at the DOD fiscal 2003 budget report shows the research budget for DARPA for 2001-2003 at a little less than 3 billion per year. NASA had a 15 billion per year operating budget of which the shuttle takes a third. The NRO was 6 billion per year(An Introduction to Planetary Defense, 2006, Taylor & Boan).

Robert Lazar and Element 115  

Back to the characters. In 1987, Robert Lazar shocked the world when he went on television claiming to have been part of an operation that worked on alien technology. Lazar said that the government has possession of at least nine alien spacecraft at a base called S-4. He claimed EG&G hired him to help reverse engineer the technology in the alien craft for use in U.S. military vehicles and power production. In the process, he discovered a rusty, heavy substance he called "Element 115" that powered the alien spacecraft.

Lazar explained how the atomic element 115 (or ununpentium (Uup)) served as a nuclear fuel for the propulsion of the alien craft. Element 115 provided an energy source which would produce anti-gravity under particulate bombardment. As the intense strong nuclear force field of element 115’s nucleus was properly amplified, the resulting effect would be a distortion of the surrounding gravitational field. A vehicle producing this distortion could alter its own relation to the space around it, allowing it to dramatically shorten the distance between itself and its destination.

Lazar speculated that element 115’s probable absence on Earth was due to the fact that the supernovae in Earth’s region of the galaxy were insufficiently massive to produce nuclei of this density. He postulates that other parts of the universe could be richer in this element.  Lazar indicated stocks of the element 115 were a gift from an off-planet civilization to be used as fuel for our own spacecraft.

In 2004, a team of American and Russian scientists succeeded in producing element 115 as an unstable isotope, confirming the existence of such an atom, however the real isotope has virtually none of the critical qualities Lazar describes.

 Ultimately, there is no evidence to support Lazar’s claims. Even Stanton Freidman, usually a Ufology proponent of such stories, debunked Lazar – revealing how Lazar’s claim that he holds Masters degrees from CalTech and MIT is false because there’s no evidence he ever even attended either University.  Multiple academic Physicists and Engineers reviewed the alleged propulsion system described by Robert Lazar and found it to be bogus. Two examples are Professor of Engineering George D. Hathaway’s analysis , and a Physical Review by Edward Halereqicz in 2008 where he writes, "Overall, it is revealed that a great number of Lazar’s ’scientific explanations’ are critically flawed."

Philip Corso and Alien Technology

 In 1997 Philip Corso shook the UFO community with his book The Day After Roswell (co-author William J. Birnes) relating how he stewarded extraterrestrial artifacts recovered from a crash at Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947. According to Corso, a covert government group was assembled under the leadership of the first Director of Central Intelligence, Adm. Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter (see Majestic 12). Among its tasks was to collect all information on off-planet technology.

Corso also claimed the reverse engineering of these artifacts indirectly led to the development of accelerated particle beam devices, fiber optics, lasers, integrated circuit chips and Kevlar material. He also said the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), or "Star Wars", was meant to achieve the destructive capacity of electronic guidance systems of incoming enemy warheads, as well as the disablement of enemy spacecraft, including those from extraterrestrial origin.

Corso claimed that different parts of the Roswell craft were sent to various defense companies, who reverse engineered their properties and that this engineering feat eventually led to a number of breakthroughs. Among them were integrated circuitry, night vision equipment, the laser, particle beams, and fibre optics. These claims have not been independently verified (in fact, the real history of the development of many of these technologies do not support his claims) and the according to Corso, contractors reverse engineering the technologies were told that the parts were stolen from Russia.

In the end, Corso’s stories also turned out to be riddled with holes and outright untruths. An article in the Klass Files reports a litany of holes, including the following:

"On page 197, Corso–who served as a commander of an Army anti-aircraft missile contingent in Germany–says that the Army’s Hawk anti-aircraft weapon is a "heat-seeking missile" for its terminal guidance. The Hawk is a radar-guided missile. The book claims that "the American public first heard about the existence of Stealth [aircraft] technology in President Jimmy Carter’s campaign against President Ford in 1976." The first limited disclosure of the new B-2 stealth bomber did not come until four years later during the Carter-Reagan campaign."

In Tom Mahood’s review of Corso’s book, he writes: 

"He’s certainly had a pretty decent career, so why sully it with this UFO
biz?  Much of what he writes is checkable (and what I’ve checked comes
up lacking), so if he’s making it up he’s gotta know he’s going down.
Is it some sort of "disinformation"?  Many will say it is, but I don’t
know.  Honestly, I’m not completely sure just what to make of it.  I
know it’s not the truth, that he’s likley a loon, but beyond that…."

Richard Boylan and Antigravity Technology

 Next up is Richard Boylan, who says "At this time, I am aware of the existence of ten kinds of special-technology advanced aerospace platforms [mil-speak for craft], all incorporating antigravity technology in some form."

Those ten were: the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber, the Aurora Lockheed-Martin’s X-33A, Boeing and Airbus Industries’ Nautilus, the TR3-A Pumpkinseed, the TR3-B Triangle, Northrop’s Great Pumpkin disc, Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical’s XH-75D, Shark antigravity helicopter, and Lockheed-Martin and Northrop’s jointly-developed TAW-50 hypersonic antigravity fighter-bomber.

The TR3-B Craft – Anti-Gravity? Not Quite – Boylan Gets It Wrong

 Of those craft listed by Boylan, the most fantastic and relevant to the field of UFOlogy is the TR3-B ’Astra", which is allegedly a large triangular anti-gravity craft within the U.S. fleet. The alleged "TR3-B" is the claimed code name for what witnesses have seen – the very large triangular-shaped re-entry vehicle "with anti-gravity." It’s what the November [2000] issue of Popular Mechanics identified as the Lenticular Reentry Vehicle, a nuclear-powered flying saucer - the first version of which allegedly went operational in 1962, [the version which Popular Mechanics illustrated.] Black projects defense industry alleged insider Edgar Rothschild Fouche wrote about the existence of the TR3-B in his book, Alien Rapture . He claimed an anonymous ex-NSA informant, ’Z’, also confirmed that the TR3-B is operational. Fouche claimed that the TR-3B generates an intense magnetic field that reduces its weight by 89 percent.

He says that the TR-3B does not have an antigravity propulsion system, but merely uses the Biefeld-Brown effect to reduce its weight so that more conventional propulsion systems such as scramjets can give it amazing speed.

However, others point out that the effect has been attributed to ionic wind and has been shown to not work in a vacuum, thus eliminating any alleged “antigravity” effects.

"Self-Healing" Materials  

Another compelling real-world technology that is often utilized in the telling of alien reverse-engineering tales is the field of morphing metals. Take this quote by Anna McGowan, program manager at NASA’s Langley Research Centre (LaRC), "This is technology that most people aren’t aware even exists."

 The team working on the Morphing Project at LaRC have been testing materials with highly unusual properties. These include materials which have the ability to bend on command, ‘sense’ pressure, transform from liquid to solid when placed in a magnetic field and shape-memory polymers. The primary shape memory materials in use are alloys like Nitinol, which have the stiffness of steel but can return to its previous shape when heat is applied, the original shape having been ‘trained’ into the alloy.

Perhaps more incredibly, the Science team have been working on ‘intrinsically smart’ materials which can perform self-diagnosis and self-repair. By understanding the characteristics of these materials at the molecular level, ‘designer smart’ materials will be developed for future application in a number of fields - not the least aerospace - where we might see the development of distributed self-assessment throughout the wings and body of craft with self-repair properties.

The ‘self-healing’ materials are human-made (not alien made) of long-chain molecules called ionomers which react to penetration, such as a bullet, by closing behind it. The implications of this technology for space flight are tremendous.

 The new shape-changing process is based on a flat sheet of beryllium copper alloy. Stress within it is manipulated using forming tools to bend, coil or twist the material.

"Imagine seeing a bullet shot through a sheet of material, only to have the material instantly "heal" behind the bullet! Remember, this is not science fiction. Self-healing materials actually exist, and LaRC scientists are working to unravel their secrets.

What we did at NASA-Langley was basically dissect that material to answer the question, ‘how does it do that?’" McGowan said. "By doing so, we can actually get down to computational modeling of these materials at the molecular level. Once we understand the material’s behavior at that level, then we can create designer ’smart’ materials."

Final Words
 
It seems clear that the technology that’s referenced in these tales are not part of any sort of "reverse engineering" efforts, but instead they are simply fanciful tales. Does DARPA have a hand in any of this? Philip Corso, Robert Lazar and Richard Boylan have all made attempts at convincing followers of Ufology that our latest technologies do, in fact, come from the stars – despite the fact that each of these technologies have verified histories (and actual human inventors) that prove otherwise.  Do these fraudulent stories mean that we should disbelieve all stories related to the existence of odd flying triangles in our skies? I’ve personally seen one fly right over my head – and seeing is believing.

There is no fast, hard evidence to support any of these reverse engineering tales, but what the stories do generate are more questions than answers – that is, questions about the creators of these tales and their motives for doing so.

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Filed under: UFOlogy, UFOs, Ufology History — Keith @ 7:57 pm




July 2, 2009

Do Aliens Exist?


earth2 Do Aliens Exist? It’s a question man has asked for many years now. We’ve tried every means at our disposal to ascertain whether we are alone in the universe. We’ve sent messages across the vast expanse of space (our TV and radio transmissions) and searched the many radio waves for anomalies that would indicate advanced peoples.

Frank Drake, in the early 1960s, came up with an equation (called the “Drake Equation”) that calculated the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

 

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Astronomer David Darling argues in Life Everywhere (2001)  that life is highly likely to be common but also says we lack the knowledge to definitively conclude that it is likely to be uncommon. Keep in mind that our sun is hardly a “typical star” as 95% of stars are less massive.

He determined that there was a possibility of 100,000 to 1,000,000 extraterrestrial civilizations in our galaxy (the Milky Way) alone.

Is Life Elsewhere Impossible?

On the other side of the “Do Aliens Exist?” question is the rare earth hypothesis. In the 1995 book, The Creator and the Cosmos, physicist Hugh Ross lists 33 characteristics a planet must have to support life. He estimates the probability of such a combination to be found in the universe as “much less than one in a million trillion.”

In their 2004 book, The Privileged Planet, astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez and theologian Jay Richards carry the notion further, asserting that our place in the cosmos is not only special but also designed for discovery.

UFO and Alien Witness Accounts

Some people swear they have proof of the existance of alien beings yet it is lacking since it is merely words with no direct physical evidence. Take this witnesss account from UFO Alley for example:

“With equal certainty I can tell you they are here and have been for some time. I personally have only been involved directly for just over two years now. My wife and I witnessed a incoming “Disabled UFO.”

It is still quite near, actually 9 kilometers from where I am writing. It is disabled and not leaving. It is split and lifeforms of some type are exiting the craft. They have been for two years.

I have said that mankind has little to do with this climate change. Our Alien arrivals are filling the skies with their UFOs and themselves. Warming the atmosphere. Climate change will be far more rapid than anticipated.”

 The skeptics argue that the evidence is less than convincing, since most UFO sightings (95%) can be explained by natural phenomenon. Some even go so far as to question the witness’s reliabilty.

Michael Shermer, the editor of Skeptic Magazine, says, “The parade of astronauts or police officers or politicians like Jimmy Carter  it’s irrelevant. Because they’re human and their brains and nervous systems and sensory apparatus are structured just like the average Joe’s.”

Also consider the people who claim to have physical proof of alien visitation, such as this witness account from iReport:
 
“What I’m showing in this video is an actual fragment of a UFO which crashed near Muncie Indiana in 1988. It was recovered by a dear friend of mine who is much older than me. He worked on a project in the 1990’s which was funded by DARPA. He recovered the fragment in 1989 when a friend of his who was a FEMA agent brought him to the site.”

These are not to be confused with the many abduction stories. And until sleep paralysis can be positively ruled out they hold no hope of solving the puzzle.

Do Aliens Exist – The Public Perception

In a recent poll conducted by quizilla.com on whether people think there are other civilizations in the universe the results speak for themselves.

- Nope. Never existed and never will. -> 9% (141)
- Of course they exist. They even come to Earth! -> 22% (342)
- Only in the movies. -> 8% (131)
- Maybe somewhere in the universe but not anywhere near Earth. -> 59% (891)

So do aliens exist? SETI is actively sweeping the known radio frequencies for signs of intelligent communication. They are sifting through the cosmic noise for a distinct signal. Except for a couple of anomolous signals (the WOW finding for example) they have yet to find any verifiable signs that anyone is sending us signals. Their search is a huge dragnet meant to turn up a needle in a haystack.

And when/if we do find some other civilization – what then? Maybe as Dr. Michio Kaku said in Physics of the Impossible (2008) P. 147: 

“But a Type III civilization would likely not be inclined to visit us or conquer us, as in the movie Independence Day, where such a civilization spreads like a plague of locusts, swarming around planets to suck their resources dry. In reality, there are countless dead planets in outer space with vast mineral wealth they could harvest without the nuisance of coping with a restive native population. Their attitude toward us might resemble our own attitude toward an ant hill. Our inclination is not to bend down and offer the ants beads and trinkets, but simply to ignore them.”

In all likelyhood, it would seem a good bet that we are not alone in the vast universe, but trying to prove it is a task that could occupy our many years to come.  And man, by his very nature, will continue to search the vast heavens for signs of life. But until we drop our homo-centric pretexts and open our thinking to the many possibilities that might exist in the universe, we may just be spinning our wheels. After all, who knows that they haven’t already been here, yet we let our myopic view get in the way.

Share your comments or opinions in the comments area below, or discuss this article and whether you believe aliens exist in the RU forums.

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Filed under: ET, UFOs, Uncategorized — Tags: , , , — Keith @ 4:42 pm




June 23, 2009

The Morristown UFO Hoax Exposes Problems With Ufology


flares In the process of our research here at RealityUncovered, while investigators are currently centrally focused on the MJ-12 mythology that has permeated through Ufology for so many years – we also come across some truly unusual stories. The Morristown UFO incident is certainly one of the strangest hoaxes to come out of Ufology in a very long time. It’s strange because, this time, it was conducted by two skeptics who believe in the need to expose pseudoscience.

The Morristown, N.J. UFO Hoax

In an odd twist on UFO hoaxes, this one was conducted by skeptics Joe Rudy and Chris Russo who wanted to conduct a typical UFO hoax in order to portray, in a very public way, how easily people are fooled by such things. Reading this story brought to mind a conversation Steve and I had about a year ago in the midst of our own investigations. 

One late night, after reading some of the silly frantic comments about the "Caret Drone" at a particular forum called "Open Minds" (one of many tiny UFO believer-forums that’s always crawling with brainless nimwits ready to believe the next big hoax) – I said to Steve, "Why are hoaxers so stupid about creating these stories – they give themselves away, leaving clues and evidence strewn all about for any decent researcher to discover?"

Steve’s response was a short quip, typical of his personality that combines a matter-of-fact approach with biting British sarcasm. "Because there aren’t any decent researchers in Ufology."

"Do you realize that based on what we know about this scam (MJ-12), and the mistakes they made – we could create a hoax a hundred times more effective and impossible to trace?"

"Yup," he responded.

"Why the hell are the hoaxers so stupid?"

"Because they’re used to dealing with brainless believers who never bother checking anything out," he answered.

And that’s the truth.

balloon_release Using fishing line, helium baloons and flares, Joe and Chris conducted one of the most elaborate UFO hoaxes of the last few years. They produced UFO sightings several times, and each time the media coverage was huge – even the History Channel’s UFO Hunters and Bill Birnes of UFO Magazine covered the "Morristown UFO." Bill Birnes in particular was revealed for his lack of critical thinking in this case. They were never caught – but eventually revealed themselves on an online eSkeptic website.

If You’re Gonna Hoax – You’re Gonna Get Yours Too

There is a reason RU has never taken the tactic of using public hoaxes as a way to expose hoaxes. In one case we turned MJ-12 scammers "anonymous" identity tactics against the hoaxers themselves by using an anonymous online entity named "Tacitus" to smoke out the con artists through their frantic, panicked reactions – but as an organization that stands firmly against hoaxing, creating a hoax directed toward the public would be counterproductive. If you fight hard so that hoaxers are revealed and prosecuted, you’d be shooting yourself in the foot by adding to the list of hoaxes already so prevalent in the field.

Joe and Chris eventually faced disorderly conduct charges by the Morris County prosecutor for presenting a "threat to aviation" with their stunt. Should they face those charges? Everyone has a different opinion. But regardless of how you feel about the actions of these two guys, they did successfully reveal a very important aspect of the UFO phenomenon and public reaction to sightings.

That revelation is that most journalists seem incapable of properly investigating witness claims or thinking critically about UFO sightings at all, and most UFO "investigators" have their heads shoved so far up their own particular belief system that they can’t see the forest for the trees.

What’s your opinion about the Morristown UFO duo – did they ultimately achieve what they set out to prove? Offer your feedback in the comments section below.

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Filed under: UFOlogy, UFOs — Tags: , , , — RyanDube @ 2:16 pm




May 6, 2009

Alien Impregnation and Types of Alien Abductions


weirdalien Did the title catch your attention? Good. The response from our last update was surprising. The feedback on both sides of the aisle, from both skeptics and from full-out believers, made me decide to cover the topic of alien impregnation and other types of alien abductions.

Alien Impregnation – Why On Earth Cover THAT?

It’s funny how it happens so quickly. You work on disassembling a 30-year hoax that has held up so many aspects of Ufology for so long, and you get labeled as a "debunker." Turn around and write that alien abductions experiences might be "real," and the skeptics in your corner start to raise their eyebrows. "Dude, I think they’re losing it…"

Types of Alien Abductions and How They Can Be "Real"

The use of the word "real" in combination with alien abduction scenarios, such as the alien impregnation episodes described in that last post, has skeptics who read this blog a bit nervous about the good folks at RU. On the other side, there are the countless UFO "believers," who cling to the established status quo of existing MJ-12 based factoids that have been circulating for so many years that no one really knows what could be true and what can’t be anymore. The believers look at my last post and wonder how a "debunker" can call an alien abduction real?

In order to clarify that statement with a bit of sanity and a dose of open-mindedness, it’s important to cover what parts of the abduction experiences are "real." The following aspects of all types of alien abductions, including those that involve the strange alien impregnation episodes, can be called "real."

- The person experienced sensations and stimuli that they don’t understand
- The person drew conclusions about those stimuli, whether correct or not
- There’s a good possibility some of that stimuli comes from outside the abductee’s control or realm of conscious control
- The probability of abductees being manipulated by an outside force is fair – drawing no conclusions on what that force is

We should take these one at a time, but not before making it very clear that we are not, in any way, saying that the conclusions abductees draw about their own experiences are real. Alien impregnation, alien abuse of marley humans, or alien scientific experimentation all demand an unbiased observer to accept that the cause of the phenomenon are aliens. This aspect of the abduction experience can’t be called "real," because there’s no solid evidence for it. But there *are* aspects of these experiences that the scientist can accept as real in order to observe, investigate and understand.

Sensations and Stimuli That Are Poorly Understood

 People often don’t really appreciate how fragile their senses are. As Scrooge commented to his ghostly friend on Christmas Eve, when Marley asked him why he doesn’t even trust his own senses, skeptic Scrooge responded, "You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato. There’s more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!" (This was my favorite line ever , by the way.)

The truth is, Scrooge was right. We can not trust our own senses, because when we do, we risk slipping down that slope of beliefs based on a very shaky foundation.

 A Georgia Tech paper laid it out beautifully when they conducted a study on how technology users perceived, or understood, an "invisible" technology like RFID. What the study authors discovered is relevant in georgia_tech just about every field of research that deals with invisible forces.

"Users’ perceptions about what a technology does and how it works shape their orientation towards it. Overall, participants showed significant confusion about what RFID is and how it functions, despite many having either firsthand experience with the technology or exposure through media reports describing it. Even participants who described themselves as technically inclined or had degrees in engineering or technology were not immune to this uncertainty. Confusion ranged from basic misunderstandings about the communications structure of the technology itself… (snip)… These analogies formed “folk theories” for the participants, guiding their orientation and understanding of the technical capabilities of RFID."

Experiencer Drawing Conclusions Based on Perceptions

Our inability, as humans, to really understand even our own first-hand experiences with invisible forces leads many people to draw conclusions about those experiences based on existing folklore and their existing beliefs. A silent touch in the night by an invisible entity becomes an alien visitation for one person, or a ghost visitation for another. An orb shooting overhead in the sky above a graveyard becomes a UFO sighting for the Ufologist, but it becomes a ghost sighting for the ghost hunter. A comb moving on its own across the top of a dresser becomes a demonic visitation for one person, or a psychic ability called psychokinesis for another.

These are all conclusions based on the personal experiences, and drawn from first-hand perceptions that are interpreted in many ways based on pre-existing beliefs, cultural biases, and simply – how we are brought up. People who share the same beliefs tend to group together (both online and off) and serve to reinforce how they’ve individually perceived those experiences – solidifying their own conclusions, however false or untested they may be.

A true scientific study of invisible phenomenon is where the experiencer consciously ignores those natural responses and human tendency to jump to conclusions, and analyze those existing perceptions with all of the tools at his or her disposal, not just through those fickle human senses alone.

External Forces and Intelligent Control

Setting all of the false conclusions aside, the one fact remains that something seems to be causing a very large population of folks to experience these real perceptions. Any true scientist that ignores the experiences of these individuals is not worth their salt, in my humble opinion. Yes, many of these experiencers are insane or psychologically troubled. But there are a great many who are not. Despite the fact that they’ve drawn conclusions about their experiences that could very likely be incorrect - that they are aliens, ghosts,  or whatever else – the experience itself took place. And its up to honest and unbiased scientists to understand both the forces at play and any potential outside intelligent control that directs those forces.

It’s the single black box that has confused both laymen and scientists for centuries, but ignoring the existence of the black box, regardless how scary the reality of it may be, is not an option.

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Filed under: ET, UFOlogy, UFOs — Tags: , , — RyanDube @ 3:35 pm




May 4, 2009

WW III & UFOs Intervention


nuclear strike Beginning as early as the 1970’s, Jacques Vallee, the renowned investigator who eventually became famous as an expert regarding the UFO abduction phenomenon and UFO cults in particular, began publishing a long series of books that touched on concepts related beleifs surrounding concepts like WW III & UFOs Intervention.

Understanding Memes: WW III & UFOs Intervention

Many abductees across the world are attracted by the alluring nature of the alien message they receive, and many start to turn their fear and anxiety into acceptance of the message – even to the point of embracing it and preaching it to the community (both offline and online) around them. Other abductees recognize the messages as apparently significant, but don’t know what to make of them.

Common themes that are spread throughout these shared experiences include:

1. Extraction of reproductive fluids for some insinuated “breeding” purpose. Sometimes blatently presented to the abductee in the form of a hybrid baby.

2. A message, delivered to the abductee in some format, of impending global disaster, either environmental or through in a scenerio of WW III & UFOs intervention.

Dr. Karla Turner, an abductee researcher (and experiencer herself), brings up some excellent points regarding the modern day “explanations” that many researchers offer when she writes :

“So the researchers announce that the problem is solved. The aliens are doing cross-breeding experiments, UFOlogists tell us. Never mind the overwhelming evidence against the viable commingling of different species. Or, we are told, the aliens are here to save us from destroying ourselves and our planet through violence, drug use, epidemic disease, pollution, and resource depletion. Never mind that these problems have grown worse , not better, since the ETs began visiting us. Or, most infuriating of all, we are assured that there are no actual aliens, that our experiences spring from our own subconscious turmoil or from our need for fantasy fulfillment. Never mind that many abductees are young children , too young to be suffering from such psychological disturbances.

Well, then, the resourceful researcher counters, the imagined aliens must spring from some collective human super-psyche that is mirroring our failures and dangers back to us. This particular theory adores the archetypal gray ET, because it resembles some sickly fetal form of humanity and must therefore be an objectified warning of what our species is in danger of becoming if we don’t mend our ways. Never mind that many, many abductees have no dealing with grays, but instead are victimized by robust reptoids and insectoids . Not to mention the totally human-looking blond beauties and black-headed, black-robed clan with the widow’s peak hairline.

Common Elements of Abductions

ufo She also points out the common elements of the abductee experience.

– The beings appear to have the ability to alter the perceptions of an experiencer.
– They can control thoughts and vision and appear in a variety of forms.
– They can actually take over the “consciousness” of an experiencer, and utilize the abductee’s own body against their will.
– These beings are sometimes reported as being present but invisible or partially visible at times.
– Experiencers sometimes receive real, physical marks on their bodies such as scoops, straight-line scars, single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, claw marks, and triangles.
– Females abductees experience gynecological problems after encounters including various cysts and cancers.
– Medical procedures during experiences include both extraction and injection of fluids.
– Many experiencers develop serious illnesses following the “abduction.”
– There are many cases of degraded mental, social and spiritual health after these experiences, including the start of drug or alcohol use, or other excessive behaviors (similar to manic/bipolar behaviors).
– Most experiences include adult sexuality, child sexuality, and often physical pain.
– Experiencers are “trained” by being shown a variety of images and “lessons.”
– Some experiencers report being taken to very human facilities where there are also humans present, usually in military uniform.
– Beings encountered include gray, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and “widow’s peak.”
– Visions often include hybrid creatures including humanoid fetuses as well as vats holding human body parts.

What do all of these common elements tell us? Not a whole lot. What does the aftermath tell us? A great deal.

UFOs & Economic Collapse

These dreams, visions or experiences, shared by many thousands of people across the world, are real and valid experiences. Setting aside the need some people have to explain them away, or the desire other people have to justify them so that they can be confident they aren’t crazy – one thing is true; the experiences share common themes.

Here at RU, we’ve been busy researching how one particular group has been extracting memes out of Ufology and abduction experiences for many years, and they’ve been using them for their own purposes. Setting that aside – are those dreams and experiences any less real simply because there are certain cold-hearted and unethical scammers who would likely rob a crippled old lady on the side of the road if given a chance?

No, these experiences are real, and with the current economic crisis looming, people need to be cognizant not to incite paranoia and panic that what these “entities” are telling people might be coming true. We’ve been here before, there have been a number of serious financial crisis in this country - and the world goes on. Remember that.

When the “entities” that you face each evening preach a theme of world crisis, and that they are going to “save us,” you can be sure that these particular beings are what Vallee termed, “Messengers of Deception.”

Still struggling to understand who and what they are? These are the issues that we’ll be helping people deal with moving forward. First order of business is to destroy the man-made machinery that a group of scammers have constructed to take advantage of your vulnerable condition. Help is here.

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April 29, 2009

Real Alien Sightings? The Boshkung Lake Invasion


mysteries3The following report was submitted by RU’s own member Longhaircowboy, a UFO enthusiast and investigator.

I became interested in the Boshkung Lake event when I picked up a book at the local library by Curt Sutherly titled UFO Mysteries. I had never read this book, but after reading his account of the Boshkung Lake Invasion, I became interested in why I couldn’t find any sign of anyone doing an investigation.

I posted the sighting to Reality Uncovered to see if, maybe, there were any others out there who may be of assistance.

Investigating “Real Alien Sightings” and UFOs at Boshkung Lake

In trying to solve the Boshkung Lake sightings I’ve only had two accounts to go by. Curt Sutherlys account in UFO Mysteries, and John Colombos UFOs Over Canada. While I’m not sure that Colombos account is related, it did occur in the same area. The one difference being the real alien sighting of occupants. 

Witness, Robert Sufferin, describes an encounter with one of the ships occupants.  He says, “It appeared short and had very broad shoulders,” and describes its movement as apelike. He reported that it wore a one piece silver suit and on its head it had a globe with no visible faceplate. He was the only witness who encountered beings and reported what he believed as a real alien sighting.

Tracking Down Similar Accounts

I was unable to find any contact info for Curt Sutherly, and my email to John Colombo remains unanswered. I am still trying to obtain the Fate magazine article from Nov. 1977.

Here’s the area covered:

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Here’s what the lake looks like:

lakeview
I searched the Library and Archive Canada (the list of town and city names I searched is too lengthy to include, but it is in the hundreds) for any similar accounts, and only found one in the town of Trenton.

There was also a possibility in Toronto.

I also searched all of the RCAF bases that would have been nearby at the time. The following are all of the bases:

  • RCAF Station Aylmer, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Arnprior, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Belleville, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Brantford, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFB / 16 Wing Borden, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFB Centralia, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFB Clinton, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Deseronto, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFB Downsview, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Dunnville, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Fingal, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Guelph, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Hagersville, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Hamilton, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Jarvis, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFB / 1 Wing Kingston, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Leaside, Ontario
  • RCAF Station London, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFS Mountain View, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFB / 22 Wing North Bay, Ontario
  • RCAF Sation Oshawa, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Picton, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Port Albert, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFB Rockcliffe, Ontario
  • RCAF Station Toronto, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFB / 8 Wing Trenton, Ontario
  • RCAF Station / CFB Uplands, Ontario
  • RCAF Detachment Armstrong Station, Ontario
  • RCAF Detachment North Bay, Ontario
  • RCAF Detachment Kapuskasing, Ontario
  • RCAF Detachment Malton, Ontario
  • http://www.rcaf.com/stations/canadian.php

searchrescue My main clues were Mrs. Lunham’ss description of the object and the noise. Witness Mrs. Lunham described the sound they made as a “dull thumping”. This fits the description of the sound of a helicopter, as does the reported behavior of the craft.  Another clue was their trace evidence. Witnesses reported a tripod-like impression in the ground. Also, some witnesses described them as “polliwogs,” or “helicopters without tails” (maybe they saw them head on).

I was unable to contact the witnesses in Sutherlys account, including Earl Pitts, Jim Cooper, Dale Parnell, Pete Sawyer, the Barnes’, Lester Hicks, and the Lunhams. I also failed to contact the journalist, Peter Courtney, who worked for the now defunct Minden Progress, who witnessed an event. I should also note that newspapers in Canada charge a large fee to retrieve articles from their archives for you (none of those that I was interested in were available on the internet).

Potential Craft Explanations

Also, unlike in the U.S., I couldn’t gain access to flight logs at airports or military facilities. These are under the perview of the Defence Department and are not considered public record. Here in the states, I just call the airport and voila!

Mrs. Lunhams description of the landing pattern, as noted in a Lindsey Post article, was a “v-shape with two pad like markings”. This would seem to point to a helicopter, as there are many that have similar landing gear.

So I looked for helicopters used by the RCAF and the squads nearby. According to rcaf.com, the helicopters that have 3-point landing gear used are:

  • Boeing CH-113A (Labrador)
  • CH-147 (Chinook) heavy lifting
  • Vertol H-21A/B
  • Vertol HUP3
  • Sikorsky H-34, H-5/S-51, CH-124A (Seaking) used in search and rescue
  • CH-148 (Cyclone) used in search and rescue

Keep in mind, most of these were heavy-lifting craft or used in search and rescue. However, I was unable to confirm they were in use in the area and at the time of the sightings. The best I could find was that in 1972, CFB Shearwater was home to the 406 and 450 used the Seaking, and the Chinook and CFB Borden(400) employed the Seaking, Chinook, and Cyclone (dates unknown). I also checked CFB Downsview, home to the 400 Tactical Helicopter, the 411 Tactical Helicopter and CFB Rockliffe, which ceased flying in 1962.

There are 2 local airfields the Muskoka Airport, and the Haliburton/Stanhope Airport. All of which were unable to answer my inquires. I was amazed to learn that in Canada, even the flight logs at private and public airports are not available to the public. I can understand this with military air fields, but here in the states I can just call the local airport and get the info.

Here’s some other possibilities:

Although none of these have any apparent links to the events described in Sutherlys book.

I also found the following account from North Bay:

RCAF Station North Bay

Typically, two wings of night fighters and a single wing of day fighters were stationed there, originally the CF-100 Canuck/F-86 Sabre, and later the CF-101 Voodoo.

 

This would seem to rule them out of the helicopter equation. I also found this interesting account from CFB North Bay:

Following defence cutbacks in 1972, only a single flying unit was stationed at the airfield, the 414 Electronic Warfare Squadron. CFB North Bay remains Canada’s primary NORAD site, with responsibility for monitoring the Canadian NORAD sector, namely the ADIZ surrounding Canada. Tools used by 22 Wing include the North Warning System which stretches across the Canadian Arctic, as well as coastal radars on the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of Canada (primarily used by Maritime Command, these radars reportedly have the dual ability to track small aircraft), and any Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft operated by the USAF or
NATO in Canadian airspace.

Not widely known is a UFO incident associated with CFB North Bay. Several teenagers and base residents reported seeing a massive triangular shaped craft hovering over the base for several minutes on Sept 13th, 2001.

There was no such craft detected by the American or Canadian operations bases for NORAD during that evening.

 

The CFB and RCAF are not the same thing. CFB is Canadian Forces Base and RCAF is Royal Canadian Air Force. In some cases they were originally air bases but then merged with the larger Canadian Forces. Or in other cases they were downsized to squads and moved around the various bases.

I looked at the VSTOL angle and I couldn’t place any VSTOL craft in the time frame and area.

I did find one interesting one. At the International V/STOL Historical Society, there’s the NORD 500 Cadet (its under the history section) which bears a striking resemblence to the phenomana described. Alas, it only had one tethered flight and was canceled in 1968.

Final Words

The various chambers of commerce in the area that I contacted were unable to provide any assistance.

I checked the weather for the area at the time of the events and found no anomolous weather occurences. All reports showed favorable conditions. In short, I was unable to reach any decisive conclusion concerning the Boshkung Lake event.

So barring anymore evidence turning up, I can only conclude that this event was and still is a mystery.  Although, it is my opinion that what the witnesses saw was probably a front on view of a helicopter. This seems likely, as they may have been conducting some type of training in search and rescue in the area. There was a training squad based not too far from Boshkung Lake, and although I was not able to confirm (the Dept. of Defence are very tight lipped) it does present the most likely scenario.

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Filed under: UFOs — Tags: , , , — RyanDube @ 2:44 pm




April 27, 2009

For Pete’s Sake, It’s Just Swine Flu!


pig

They’re at it again – the alarmist media and the general public.  This morning, with news reports like, “40 Swine Flu Cases Confirmed in the U.S.” and “Swine Flu: 5 Things You Need to Know About the Epidemic,” the U.S. news media is playing the same old game.  With alarmist news reports coming in at a record pace, and a population that has been fattened on Pandemic End-of-The-World movies for over two decades – the panic has already taken hold. They couldn’t kill you with the Bird Flu, but apparently the Pig Flu is going to be much more virulent.

Notice how they couldn’t call it “pig flu,” it had to be Swine. Why?  Well, Pig would remind people of the cute little piglet from Charlotte’s web. Not nasty enough – not vile enough to serve as a representative of the next big thing we must believe and we must fear. Ahh yes, swine sounds so much more evil – so much more vile. Those nasty and dirty swine.

What IS The Swine Flu?

The media is constantly reporting how many “new” cases have cropped up.  There were originally 80 deaths in Mexico. Now, the news report is correct in that statement, but only a few of them bother to tell you that 1600 people actually got sick.  No wait, the latest report has the “suspected death toll” at 149. Apparently someone’s having a hard time counting down there in Mexico? Or might it be the fact that the alarmist media and local panic has Mexico hospitals re-examining cases and saying, “Wait a sec…maybe this person died of this evil Swine Flu too!”

And so the idea spreads. Swine flu is spreading! Stop the press! Alert the world – it’s the major pandemic we’ve all been fearing…and the human race lies on the brink of extinction if it gets out of hand! Now other countries are following suit. There are now 20 confirmed “infections” in the U.S. France, Hong Kong, New Zealand and Spain are all reporting in regarding cases of this new strain of influenza. Yet, so far, only those 80 out of 1600 died in Mexico. That’s a 5 percent mortality rate. Yet, the media has us standing on the brink of a worldwide pandemic.

What’s Swine Flu Got to do With RU’s Research?

Here’s what has me so angry about these news reports. This entire mentality is what’s wrong with society, and it’s the reason so many people get sucked in by the constant barrage of poorly written news stories about UFO sightings, written by barely-educated communications majors that write the news.  Here’s what you really need to know about the “SWINE” flu:

  • blackplagueThe SARS “pandemic” had a death rate of 9.6%
  • The death rate for pneumonia is 10 to 20%.
  • Death rate for chronic bronchitis is about 4.5%
  • The bubonic plague had a death rate of 50 to 75%
  • Cholera, untreated, has a death rate of 50%
  • 3 Million people die of Tuberculosis every year
  • The mortality rate of Tularemia (rabit fever) is 15%

So, now there’s a flu that had a 5% mortality rate in Mexico, a place that we all know isn’t the most sanitary on Earth – and we can be sure the water didn’t help much. We should all be asking CNN, Fox, CBS and all the others who bring us our nightly “Pandemic Update,” have you checked your sources?  Have you really thought this thing out? Why do you fuel the fire of mindless belief and panic?

The Pandemic of Mindless Beliefs

This is the real pandemic – people who believe what they’re told on the nightly news, and use it to judge what they should be afraid may happen to themselves or their family. This situation is almost identical to what happens when there’s  a UFO sighting in one part of the country. Whenever the national media picks it up and runs with it, suddenly you’ve got millions of people watching the skies and reporting sightings of unidentified flying objects. The next thing you know, you’ve got the media reporting that “new UFO sightings are taking place around the country.”  Call it the power of suggestion or whatever you like – but it seems to be a strange artifact of human behavior. People see what they are told to expect to see, and very few ever bother checking to see if the original source was even correct.

Do not trust your news reporters. Do not trust your politicians or your governmental leaders (they simply go with the flow of popular opinion).  Trust your own instincts and check out the facts for yourself! Swine flu?  The seasons are changing. It’s flu season people, chill out.

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Filed under: CIA, Disinfo, UFOlogy, UFOs — Tags: , , , — RyanDube @ 6:44 pm




May 3, 2007

The Sky Fell


The following email is in response to Ryan D’s Update post below and is from the source identified by Dan Smith as “CoR25″.

Ryan listed a number of hypothetical situations, all of which would indeed be deemed newsworthy *if* CoR25 could or would confirm any of them.

The following response is published with the kind permission of CoR25:

Ryan is correct, as is often the case.
I also have it on pretty good authority that CoR25 would absolutely refuse to merely repeat what he has HEARD only from Dan, or read on his Blog, or in other person’s email, never RP (Although CoR25 has been accused fairly of being a gossip…this is getting a little silly…Ryan’s characterization “stupid” may be more accurate:

“RP talks to Dan extensively about eschatology and issues related to ufology – and supports and encourages Dan positively in his online Blog statements related to eschatology, ufology, and related phenomenology.
Furthermore – RP submits correspondence to Dan on various ufology issues in a supportive role, including controversial issues such as supporting Gordon Novel’s RAM project both on the Blog and monetarily (encouraging Dan to invest a few thousand dollars in Gordon’s project), investigating Rick Doty’s involvement in Serpo, and all of the other issues discussed on Dan’s Blog. RP has had Dan meet with officials, members of Congress, and even foreign delegates.
These activities appear, at least, to represent official, not personal, investment and interest in Dan Smith – a controversial figure in Eschatology, Ufology, and Phenomenology who RP has reportedly called insane and ’sick’.”

CoR25 agrees totally with Ryan…the ABOVE statement may be deemed newsworthy by bloggers and web-sites…but since not a single statement in Ryan’s good hypothetical statement has CoR25 ever heard from RP…not one of …Ryan’s presumptions of the lack of interesting material in fact, is true.
CoR25


It would appear all outstanding questions have now been answered, have they not?
Actually there is more…

Caryn Anscomb also posted an email to Dan that went to a number of recipients. CoR25, who appears in a very talkative mood this evening, responded thusly:
 

I would like to associate myself 100% with Caryn’s comments, and analysis.

I suspect CoR25 is alternatively becoming amused and incensed that rather than any hope of a rational explanation of “why” the R&D show being (Yawn) stated for the umpteenth time as an accident of frienship is news-worthy…he (and others are instead being increasingly played for a fool, or at a game so ill-defined as to be a Serponian Stick-ball substitute of Rugby. Naturally…just keeping people talking non-specificially is a great definition of true Narcissicism.

I really must try and find CoR25 to see if he sees anything valueable in any of this…absent any communication from the sentinal communicant…RP. CoR25 seems to have disappeared after reading the comments today.

I think CoR25 has been thunderstruck with the very thought Caryn raised…a very important hypothesis…that someone quite nasty is playing a “Bennewicz (sp) card.” If that turns out to be the case, CoR25 will himself turn really quite nasty himself and several friendships will have been abrogated and ended due to what he would consider abject betrayal of all that is reasonable and decent. The Quest will have turned to a Farce.

 

Where do we go from here? Is the sky still in the same place or did it just come crashing down all around us? I suspect the next few days will provide more enlightenment…

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Filed under: Disclosure, UFOs — Tags: , , , — Stephen Broadbent @ 10:31 pm




The Sky is Falling


 
The moment we have all been waiting for has finally arrived, apparently. Disclosure is upon us and officially started early this morning at 00:15 GMT.

A number of us “RU’ers” were discussing the fact that things had been relatively quiet lately, when out of the tedium popped a messenger of Dan Smith, with news of something big!
Sure enough, not long after this Dan himself contacted myself and RU co-owner Ryan D wanting to discuss the impending events. Not long after this, the following appeared on Dan’s blog:

There has been a conversation with CoR25. There was a discussion as to whether this conversation might constitute a news story. The correspondent said he would be surprised if it did rise to that level.
CoR25 said that he will confirm to whomever that there have been extensive communications between me and RP over a number of years, and that RP is well aware of my bias toward eschatology of the traditional kind.
I have had discussions with OM and RU, and they are prepared to make the case that a confirmable R&D show should rise to the level of legitimate news. Well, OM is so prepared. We’ll have to see about RU. They are welcome to call CoR25.
CoR25 was surprised that the R&D show had not already been publicly confirmed. I contended that it had not been so confirmed, and he readily consented to be the official confirmer of the R&D show.
Any questions?
I then called RP. He did not indicate that he had any problem with this ’small’ additional step. I don’t recall that we discussed whether this should rise to the level of a legitimate news story.

Source

As you can see from the above, Dan and others are of the opinion that a “confirmable R&D show” is legitimate news. As mentioned at the top of this post, Ryan and I had a brief Skype chat with Dan last night, amid a flurry of online activity by several individuals with close ties to the people and personalities involved. Caryn Anscomb immediately attempted to confirm what was being said by going straight to the source that Dan was using. We quickly realised not all was as it seemed.

The following is the chat transcript (copied with the permission of all participants), Caryn’s comments follow further down.

[00:15:15] Dan Smith says: disclosure starts tonight???
[00:15:21] Zep Tepi says: do tell
[00:15:26] Ryan says: well i’d call that excellent news…
[00:15:45] Dan Smith says: well, I’m supposed to blog it soon…
(Despite our requests, we never did learn who told him to blog this latest “news”)
[00:16:02] Ryan says: to what degree will CoR25 confirm?
[00:16:12] Dan Smith says: I want to run it by you all…
[00:16:18] Ryan says: ok
[00:16:21] Zep Tepi says: ok
[00:16:26] Dan Smith says: CoR25 will confirm to whomever…
[00:16:43] Dan Smith says: Sharon Weinberger???
[00:16:47] Zep Tepi says: what will he confirm?
[00:16:50] Zep Tepi says: Yes I know her
[00:16:50] Ryan says: right – confirm what? only that RP talks to you…or confirm that RP supports what you say
[00:17:14] Dan Smith says: no only talks…
[00:17:30] Dan Smith says: is that not newsworthy??
[00:17:34] Zep Tepi says: we know that already?
[00:17:43] Ryan says: not really newsworthy…that’s more than public
[00:17:50] Ryan says: sorry…shoot
[00:17:52] Dan Smith says: you know it, but Sharon does not….
[00:18:06] Zep Tepi says: maybe Sharon does not care?
[00:18:25] Ryan says: i’d be interested in her take…i hope she doesn’t just blow it off as unimportant
[00:18:30] Dan Smith says: well, that’s what we need to find out???
[00:18:52] Ryan says: it’s not as great as if CoR25 would say that RP encourages you to post what you post
[00:18:54] Ryan says: but it’s a start i guess
[00:18:56] Dan Smith says: next step…no?
[00:19:03] Ryan says: seems rather weak of CoR25, don’t you think?
[00:19:27] Ryan says: figuring, he has the capability to confirm so much more
[00:19:52] Dan Smith says: no he doesn’t about R&D…
[00:20:15] Ryan says: he doesn’t see what RP sends you on the subjects you discuss?
[00:20:19] Dan Smith says: Of course RP encourages me…
[00:20:28] Ryan says: he doesn’t “witness” RP encouraging you?
[00:20:44] Zep Tepi says: I don’t think she will be very interested in knowing someone who has a blog also talks sometimes with RP, you will need to be VERY specific when talking with her
[00:20:48] Dan Smith says: RP has sent me nothing on eschaton…
[00:21:10] Dan Smith says: specific….of course…
[00:21:13] Zep Tepi says: so again, where will this get us?
[00:21:14] Ryan says: what about ufos…aliens….RAM….remote viewing….ghosts….god….etc…
[00:21:41] Dan Smith says: all that crap comes after the eschaton stuff…
(note: Charming!)
[00:21:47] Ryan says: i think it would be newsworthy if there was confirmation that a government agent was discussing UFO’s legitimately with a civilian
[00:21:53] Ryan says: or any other paranormal topic
[00:22:07] Dan Smith says: Eschaton isw ##1 priority….No??
[00:22:17] Zep Tepi says: I don’t see it like that, unless he is talking on the record…
[00:22:18] Ryan says: Eschaton is the big picture, yes?
[00:22:30] Dan Smith says: yes…
[00:22:32] Ryan says: he’s talking to a “crazy” person…why is that?
[00:22:40] Ryan says: i’d say a journalist would take notice of that…
[00:23:30] Dan Smith says: come on you guys…get this straight between yourselves…
[00:23:38] Zep Tepi says: why?
[00:23:44] Ryan says: haha
[00:23:54] Zep Tepi says: we don’t always agree on things
[00:23:59] Ryan says: certainly not!
[00:24:15] Dan Smith says: obviously…..!!! no shit Sherlock…
[00:24:16] Zep Tepi says: you said earlier disclosure starts tonight
[00:24:25] Zep Tepi says: disclosure of WHAT?
[00:24:34] Ryan says: and did anyone encourage you to blog tonight?
[00:24:40] Zep Tepi says: that a government official talks with a blogger?
[00:24:48] Zep Tepi says: whoppie doo! :)
[00:24:55] Dan Smith says: of R&D to whomever…. NY times???
[00:25:25] Ryan says: not that he only talks…but that he talks legitimately about a paranormal topic…(assuming CoR25 will confirm that part)
[00:25:28] Ryan says: but it sounds like he won’t
[00:25:35] Ryan says: so i’d say it’s a bust unfortunately
[00:25:44] Dan Smith says: to whom would you like??
[00:25:52] Zep Tepi says: lets go through it here
[00:25:59] Zep Tepi says: pretend I am Sharon
[00:26:06] Zep Tepi says: first contacy
[00:26:09] Zep Tepi says: contact even
[00:26:13] Zep Tepi says: what say you?
[00:26:35] Dan Smith says: She knows RP…
[00:26:49] Zep Tepi says: right ok, I gathered that part
[00:26:56] Dan Smith says: She knows he is a major player…
[00:27:11] Dan Smith says: He plays with me…
[00:27:23] Zep Tepi says: right, that is certainly true
[00:27:36] Zep Tepi says: she knows you too?
[00:27:48] Dan Smith says: so then I am either Bennewitz or Jesus…
[00:27:50] Zep Tepi says: if not you need to introduce yourself to her
[00:28:18] Ryan says: just don’t say you’re Bennewitz or Jesus…at least not at first ;)
[00:28:24] Zep Tepi says: lol
[00:28:36] Dan Smith says: ok what should I say???
[00:28:42] Zep Tepi says: well, if the choice is Bennewitz or Jesus Dan, I go for the former
[00:28:45] Ryan says: haha
[00:29:00] Zep Tepi says: say anything along those lines to Sharon and she will run a mile
[00:29:11] Dan Smith says: fine…no problemo….states witness with CoR25…!!!
[00:29:21] Ryan says: wait a minute…do you have it in writing that CoR25 will “back you up”?
[00:29:33] Ryan says: or has he simply told you so over the phone
[00:29:50] Dan Smith says: I have it verbal…big VERBAL….
[00:29:58] Ryan says: uh-huh
[00:30:05] Ryan says: you know what we say to our managers at work?
[00:30:10] Ryan says: if it ain’t in writing – it ain’t
[00:30:17] Dan Smith says: I blog it…he confirms it….
[00:30:23] Zep Tepi says: and more to the point, on whose authority was you made Jesus?
[00:30:29] Ryan says: how do you know he doesn’t turn around on you after you blog it?
[00:30:29] Zep Tepi says: RP’s?
[00:30:44] Zep Tepi says: RP gets to decide these things? Does the Pope know about this?
[00:30:47] Ryan says: “No idea what Dan’s going on about, I never said any such thing”
[00:31:02] Ryan says: RP is God mate…did you forget?
[00:31:02] Dan Smith says: well…that is the entire issue here….
[00:31:10] Zep Tepi says: the thing is though Dan
[00:31:15] Zep Tepi says: you blog something along those lines
[00:31:27] Zep Tepi says: and CoR25 doesn’t back you up
[00:31:32] Ryan says: not good
[00:31:36] Zep Tepi says: where does that leave you then?
[00:31:41] Zep Tepi says: In Bennewitz country
[00:31:57] Dan Smith says: then CoR25 will have broken his word for first time…
[00:32:14] Zep Tepi says: you need to be specific though
[00:32:35] Ryan says: the first time huh?
[00:32:36] Ryan says: wow
[00:32:36] Dan Smith says: I’m fine in Bennewitz country….are you stupid about that???
[00:32:44] Zep Tepi says: simply saying “CoR25 confirms government official in contact with blogger” is not exactly the start of disclosure
[00:32:51] Ryan says: it’s stupid to be fine in bennewitz country
[00:32:53] Zep Tepi says: you’re fine about that?
[00:32:54] Ryan says: but that’s neither here nor there
[00:32:59] Zep Tepi says: exactly
[00:33:11] Dan Smith says: eschaton blogger is not a laughing matter….
[00:33:21] Zep Tepi says: it isn’t?
[00:33:33] Zep Tepi says: what did CoR25 say to you?
[00:33:58] Dan Smith says: i am about to write that on the blog…
[00:34:07] Zep Tepi says: ah right, yes you did say
[00:34:17] Dan Smith says: i will tell you when it’s ready..
[00:34:21] Ryan says: thought you were going to pass it by us?…oh ok
[00:34:32] Ryan says: still need to write it up then
[00:34:37] Zep Tepi says: don’t want you shooting yourself in the foot
[00:34:38] Dan Smith says: I already have…
[00:34:49] Ryan says: or someone else shooting you in the foot
[00:34:54] Zep Tepi says: or being used as a pawn in a childish game
[00:34:59] Dan Smith says: me shoot myself…..not really,…
[00:35:22] Dan Smith says: childish…eschaton….oxymoron…
[00:36:05] Zep Tepi says: have you thought that eschaton isn’t the game being played here?
[00:36:38] Dan Smith says: of course…but that is the game that RP encourages for 16 years…..
[00:37:00] Dan Smith says: problemo….???
[00:37:19] Zep Tepi says: erm…no?
[00:37:40] Dan Smith says: no problemo….excellente!!!
[00:38:07] Zep Tepi says: but like I said, I don’t want to see anyone being shot in the foot
[00:38:12] Ryan says: or lied to
[00:38:18] Ryan says: that’s our only beef – ever
[00:38:45] Zep Tepi says: there could be several bouts of schadenfreude in the air after tonight
[00:38:52] Ryan says: lol
[00:38:59] Dan Smith says: sayonara…. Hasta la vista, Baby…!!!
[00:39:00] Zep Tepi says: but not from us I hasten to add
(Note:I know, I know, this very post could be deemed “shadenfreude-esque”, but it is simply a reporting of the facts)
[00:39:16] Dan Smith says: from whom???
[00:39:33] Zep Tepi says: the great unwashed?
[00:39:42] Ryan says: the “untouchables”
[00:39:51] Ryan says: mr and mr. bulletproof
[00:40:00] Dan Smith says: you speak in parables…
[00:40:04] Ryan says: thank you
[00:40:11] Ryan says: coming from jesus that means a lot
[00:40:16] Zep Tepi says: I speak several languages, parables is just one ;)
[00:40:38] Dan Smith says: any other questions or suggestions???
[00:40:54] Ryan says: i’d say go for it dan
[00:40:58] Zep Tepi says: me too
[00:41:04] Ryan says: you’ll only find support from us, caryn, and the likes of us
[00:41:15] Zep Tepi says: can’t say anything more until we’ve seen what you are about to post
[00:41:21] Dan Smith says: …going for IT……………………….
[00:41:31] Ryan says: excellent

Well, we saw what he was about to post and sure enough, it wasn’t really all that significant. The answers are all available in the chat above. Dan states this is very significant “newsworthy” stuff – the fact that a government official talks with Dan, an “Eschaton blogger”. Yet Dan also says of that very same official: “RP has sent me nothing on eschaton…”

Caryn Anscomb reports from her blog on her chat with CoR25, specifically what will be “disclosed”:

“I have no clue what the “confirmation of the R&D show means”…I said I would tell ANYONE that I know RP and Dan are friends, have talked about all manner and matter of stuff for years, they disagree vehemently essentially any matter of substance, have great humor, and know each other very well: they talk often, and are very open when asked by anyone that they communicate a great deal in person, by phone, and by email, but neither knows what the other is really all about…not do I. If THAT is the “R&D Show…” you bet: I will tell anyone THAT…good heavens I have been confirming that for many years!”

 

Read Caryn’s full report on her blog here,
absolutely essential reading for those who truly do want access to the big picture.

In the meantime, let us remind ourselves of a little nursey rhyme. Any similarities or likenesses to real people are purely intentional…

Chicken Little

Chicken Little likes to walk in the woods. She likes to look at the trees. She likes to smell the flowers. She likes to listen to the birds singing.

One day while she is walking an acorn falls from a tree, and hits the top of her little head.
My, oh, my, the sky is falling. I must run and tell the lion about it” – says Chicken Little and begins to run.
She runs and runs. By and by she meets the hen.
Where are you going?” – asks the hen.
Oh, Henny Penny, the sky is falling and I am going to the lion to tell him about it.”
How do you know it?” – asks Henny Penny.
It hit me on the head, so I know it must be so” – says Chicken Little.

Let me go with you!” – says Henny Penny. – “Run, run.”

So the two run and run until they meet Ducky Lucky.

The sky is falling” – says Henny Penny. “We are going to the lion to tell him about it

How do you know that?” – asks Ducky Lucky.

It hit Chicken Little on the head” – says Henny Penny.

May I come with you?” – asks Ducky Lucky.

Come” – says Henny Penny.

So all three of them run on and on until they meet Foxey Loxey.

Where are you going?” – asks Foxey Loxey.

The sky is falling and we are going to the lion to tell him about it” – says Ducky Lucky.

Do you know where he lives?” – asks the fox.

I don’t” – says Chicken Little.

I don’t” – says Henny Penny.

I don’t” – says Ducky Lucky.

I do” – says Foxey Loxey. – “Come with me and I can show you the way.”

He walks on and on until he comes to his den.

Come right in” – says Foxey Loxey.

They all go in, but they never, never come out again.

Eep!
More to follow.

Cheers,
Zep

 


Update from Ryan D.

Any questions?

Just a couple comments if I may.
When you stated this:

CoR25 said that he will confirm to whomever that there have been extensive communications between me and Ron over a number of years, and that Ron is well aware of my bias toward eschatology of the traditional kind.”

and this:

CoR25 was surprised that the R&D show had not already been publicly confirmed. I contended that it had not been so confirmed, and he readily consented to be the official confirmer of the R&D show.”

I think it’s important to define “confirmation” here. Is “Ron talks to Dan extensively, and is aware of Dan’s bias toward eschatology..” confirmation? It’s certainly confirmation of what anyone who is on Jack’s list, or reads the forums, or has even a passing familiarity with the “Aviary” side of ufology -already knows. Will a journalist find it newsworthy? Probably not. Is it worth a try? Sure – go for it.

What we were trying to convey to you last night, Dan, is whether something of this nature would be a little more interesting to the general public:

Ron talks to Dan extensively about eschatology and issues related to ufology -and supports and encourages Dan positively in his online blog statements related to eschatology, ufology, and related phenomenology.
Furthermore – Ron submits correspondence to Dan on various ufology issues in a supportive role, including controversial issues such as supporting Gordon Novel’s RAM project both on the blog and monetarily (encouraging Dan to invest a few thousand dollars in Gordon’s project), investigating Rick Doty’s involvement in Serpo, and all of the other issues discussed on Dan’s blog. Ron has had Dan meet with officials, members of Congress, and even foreign delegates. These activities appear, at least, to represent official, not personal, investment and interest in Dan Smith – a controversial figure in Eschatology, Ufology, andPhenomenology who Pandolfi has reportedly called insane and ’sick’.”

That would constitute confirmation.
As to this:

I have had discussions with OM and RU, and they are prepared to make the case that a confirmable R&D show should rise to the level of legitimate news.”

That is absolutely true. But only if something like the above statement is confirmed. CoR25’s current comments to you represent a tongue-in-cheek statement – that make the request for confirmation appear amateur and ridiculous (and dare I say stupid), intentionally or not. To them, this appears to be a big joke. If CoR25 is willing to confirm the statement that I’ve suggested above – we would be more than happy to publish an article on the matter to our website, and submit the news to as many journalists, forums and bloggers as we have access to and support from. CoR25 may not consider some of those avenues properly journalistic – but, if so, he underestimates the power of the internet and undermines the intelligence of most of us here. I suspect Gary Bekkum & Caryn Anscomb would likely agree that such a statement as the one above would be newsworthy as well.

Otherwise, CoR25’s tongue-in-cheek comments to you aren’t worth the electronic bits and bytes they’re displayed on, unfortunately.

Respectfully,
-Ryan

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