April 11, 2009

The Colour of Money


A very recent email exchange has brought with it an extremely revealing admission from Bob Collins, author of Exempt from Disclosure and one of the main mouthpieces for the people behind Scammers Inc.

As we exclusively reported in February of last year, an investigation was launched after Collins admitted paying Rick Doty, former AFOSI security guard and current New Mexico state trooper, a large sum of money on behalf of millionaire philanthropist Joe Firmage for allegedly classified information.

As we concluded at the time, if the documents were found to be fake or fabricated, the official investigation was likely to be dropped. Seeing that no more was heard of the investigation, it is safe to assume the documents were found to be bogus. It does of course beg the question why no one has sought to bring criminal proceedings against the hoaxers for fraud. As we have also reported previously, there is a precedent in the field of UFOlogy for this kind of thing.

Since Friday, RU researchers were included on an email exchange between UFO researcher Robert Hastings and Bob Collins. Collins, as he is wont to do, was busy in the process of rewriting recent history regarding the IP evidence that shows Rick Doty and Paul McGovern are one and the same person. Having established a somewhat amusing (for us) dialogue with Collins, with Ryan highlighting the extensive use of sock puppets by Scammers Inc, Collins wrote the following email in response:

“I doubt they’d stick their necks out. Even Kit Green was suppose to meet with Lakes, but Lakes told Kit the FBI was after him. And Doty has enough State Police contacts to track anyone down no matter where they hide. He has cracked a lot of drug cases….And, it’s not in some person’s mind, it’s called experience and training knowing the right people……Rmc”

 

Ryan replied to this with the following:

“They won’t stick out their necks because they aren’t real. A fake identity can’t meet with a real person in a real cafe to share a real coffee because they aren’t real.

Maybe if I tell Rick Doty that I’m a secret DIA insider, and I agree to meet him privately if he wears a baseball cap to identify himself, then maybe he’ll meet with me?

Your computer forensics expert, Rick Doty, floundered helplessly when it came to tracking down Tacitus? Stephen Broadbent led Rick on an electronic wild goose chase, and Rick was helpless to do a single thing about it. He has no computer forensics skills, and he has no high level intelligence contacts.

Everyone in your group knows that. You do too.”

Collins replied, his frustration becoming more evident with each new email. To say we know and try to exploit this aspect of Collins personality would be somewhat cruel, but ultimately true…

“Ryan, wake up, you a show a lack of experience. When was the last time you were in the Intelligence business? And Rick could check you out in a microsecond. Yes he has plenty of high level contacts and Joe Firmage paid him to get in contact with them. And Rick was doing a lot hacking before he gave it up using NSA equipment. You’re blowing a lot of nonsense…..Rmc”

 

Aside from the fact that if Doty did check Ryan out in a microsecond(!) it would be a clear abuse of his position in the New Mexico State Police – actually, add hacking to that same charge – Collins once again falls back on his favourite namedrop, Joe Firmage.

Fellow RU administrator Access Denied entered the discussion at this point with the following highly relevant snippet:

“Then Joe Firmage is an idiot… as they say a fool and his money are always willing to part.

As is anybody who believes a former AFOSI desk sergeant who volunteered for the job and managed to get himself busted and relieved from performing his relatively simple duties…”

“While assigned to duties with AFOSI at Kirtland AFB, NM, I did investigate a number of UFO sightings. However, my normal duties were that of an counterintelligence investigator. I did not devote my entire time to the conduct of UFO investigations.

At present, my job deals with investigations and I do work for a Government agency. However, I do not have anything to do with UFO research or investigations.

My own personal beliefs regarding the subject of UFO is this. I think Earth is not the only planet in the Universe that supports intelligent life. Whether Earth has been visited in the past by visitors from other planets I simply don’t have enough information to make a personal decision.”

Richard C. Doty – March 3, 1989″

 

We are used to Bob Collins inadvertantly divulging information in the process of defending his position, but even we didn’t expect his latest slip to be as revealing as it actually was.

Bob wrote:

“Yes, if Rick thinks you are an idiot he won’t tell you the truth. I saw that over and over. Any loud mouth jerk will get dismissed. Firmage contracted with us in the Spring of 1999 thinking we’d give him a dead body or some other hard evidence……The LANL source didn’t want to talk to Firmage…..Rmc”

 

In case you didn’t catch it, here is the best part:

“Firmage contracted with us in the Spring of 1999 thinking we’d give him a dead body or some other hard evidence……”

And again with emphasis:

“Firmage contracted with us in the Spring of 1999 thinking we’d give him a dead body or some other hard evidence……

It is amazing what such a short sentence can tell us. For one thing, it shows us that Rick Doty and Bob Collins were actively working together in the Spring of 1999 AND they had some kind of contract with Joe Firmage. However, it also tells us that they were quite happy to take Firmage’s money even though they knew he wouldn’t get anything in return.

“thinking we’d give him a dead body or some other hard evidence……”

Why would Firmage think he’d be given a dead body or some other hard evidence unless he had been misled by the Doty & Collins partnership in the first place?! Furthermore, the way Collins words the sentence, he makes it pretty clear that both he and Doty kNEW he wouldn’t be getting anything for his money.

Did they give Firmage his money back? After all:

“The LANL source didn’t want to talk to Firmage.”

More to come.



Filed under: Aviary,ET,The Core Story — Tags: , , , , , , — Stephen Broadbent @ 3:58 pm




January 26, 2009

A Breakthrough: The Dale Graff Interview


Air Force Given the clear indications that something was going on at Wright Air Force Base during the late 1970s, possibly in parallel with either the FTD remote viewing work, the Project Blue Book activities, or both (or neither).  One thing that the timeline and the appearance of that common MJ-12 "philosophy" tells us is that all of those stories were created much earlier than when the public first received them through Ufologists Moore, Pratt and others. 

In his efforts to bolster the information found in Collin’s Exempt From Disclosure ,  Bruce Maccabee lets slip a tiny detail – he received details directly from Kellerstrass that only a year later was finally made public in the form of the "MJ-12" disclosures, and provided by allegedly "anonymous" sources. 

In order to determine the truth of Ernie Kellerstrass’ claims, and to better understand potential connections with the FTD remote viewing research, we decided to make contact with the elusive "Dale Graff" – that "guy in the office" who was supposedly telling Ernie stories about EBE, a book that detailed aliens visiting during the time of Christ, and more.

Dale Graff’s Current Status

Dale Graff Prior to my discussions with him, Dale Graff had just recently moved, so it took a few email exchanges to hammer out a good day and time for a conversation.  However, Dale responded positively to my initial inquiry for a phone interview to discuss his remote viewing work at FTD in the 1970’s and his recent work and books on consciousness .  I hoped to learn more about this mysterious man who is often quoted as a source by Collins and the "Aviary" crew, but remains a silent background character who has virtually little (if any) involvement in the UFO arena.

The Dale Graff Interview

Dale Graff is currently retired, but actively working with a research group on consciousness studies and "dreams."  I contacted Dale on Sept 9, 2007 via email, and a few days later I received a polite and cordial response from Dale that he would be more than happy to discuss topics for a possible interview with us.

Upon calling Dale, I was struck by his soft-spoken nature, his enormous insight and intelligence, and his open willingness to talk about the phenomenon of psychic ability and the ufo phenomenon.He is very knowledgable about the entire paranormal field, including both the psychic phenomenon and the UFO phenomenon.  Dale had the pleasure of working under Tony (Anthony) Cacciopo, so Dale enjoyed access to many of the Blue Book investigations, and for a short period sat in the room where the "red phone" was while waiting for his clearances to pass for the remote viewing research.

During this phonecall, we spoke for about an hour regarding the history of the Remote Viewing program, and his part in it.  We discussed his hypothesis regarding the source of the psychic phenomenon, the success rates that were realized during the remote viewing program, and the subsequent fall-out toward the end of the Remote Viewing program related to his reasons for retiring. Dale now conducts his own private research in the area of psychic phenomenon as related to dreams, and more recently short-term precognition studies, which we hope to report on here at RU in the near future, if Dale is willing.

 Toward the end of our conversation, I asked Dale about his time at Wright Patterson working at FTD on the AF Remote Viewing research projects.  I asked  him specifically about the claims that were made by Ernie Kellerstrass in his interview with Bruce Maccabee (and his claims made to Bob Collins as well).  The following transcript is from my scribbled short-hand notes that I kept during the phone interview. 

Unfortunately, after I let it slip to Bob Collins, Kit Green, and Hal Puthoff that I was in contact with Dale Graff, Dale informed me that "someone" had warned him off from talking with us.  After a few more emails, I stopped hearing from Dale Graff completely.  This was unfortunate, because I personally liked Dale a great deal.  He was one of the first authentic and truly "nice" people that I’ve ever met in the course of my own investigations. I will greatly miss the potentially fascinating and interesting discussions we could have continued having.

I’ve highlighted a few of the critical points that took place at the end of our phone conversation below.

Ryan:   Dale – there was a book written in 2005 by Bob Collins called Exempt from Disclosure…

Dale: Yes – I know Bob and he did work at FTD when I was there.  I left FTD in 1981 and I’m almost certain I met him there and met him off and on a few times.  We’ve exchanged some letters at one time (during the time before emails).  I’ve talked to him and know a little bit about him but don’t know this latest book.

Ryan: Well, some of the latest information that is in there has some claims that go back to one of his core sources – Ernie Kellerstrass…

Dale: Ahh yes – I know Ernie quite well.  I used to work for him!  He was at one time, for about a year, he was my division chief (branch chief) so I had a professional working relationship with Colonel Ernie Kellerstrass.  

Ernie and I had some very long discussions over the years, usually after duty because we didn’t want anyone to know we were talking about any of this stuff.

Ryan: In Maccabee’s background paper on Collins sources, he did an interview with Ernie in 1985, and Ernie claimed you had told him certain information that you had seen a saucer and bodies, that you had seen a secret “yellow book”….

Dale (almost choking):   I have no idea where all that came from?!  That is absolutely not true!

Ryan: Right…that’s why I wanted to get in touch with you to see if any of those claims were at all true?

Dale : NO WAY [laugh]…I’ve always been open minded and have always had a strong interest in ET life and any evidence whatsoever of ufo’s and crafts and the real story behind Roswell, Hanger 18 and all that (notes are ineligible here)….but if somebody said that I told anybody that I ever said I have seen an alien craft at Wright Patterson AFB, or anywhere at all , that’s an incorrect statement.  I’ve NEVER made that statement to anyone.  I’ve never even seen a UFO!

 

Ryan: Why do you think they would make up these kinds of stories…?

Dale: One of the reasons Bob Collins and I departed ways a little bit – he was saying things, even back in the 80’s, that sounded like he was pushing our conversations in a direction which we weren’t even at, or making statements and I don’t know where he got any of that from…

There was a lot of speculation going on, and I think this thing about yellow book…there were always different colored documents going around that signified different levels of clearance, some blue, pink, yellow – content was usually some operational project that was very sensitive, but nothing to do with some secret files of a crashed UFO or whatever he’s talking about.  I don’t know what he’s talking about, but it’s certainly nothing that I’ve ever said!

Ryan: So most of these talks with Ernie were just hypothesizing what the phenomenon could possibly be?

Dale: Yeah – just “gee wiz” kind of talk.

 

Ryan: Do you think there’s any reason Ernie would make up any of this about you?

[Removed some private comments about Ernie at Dale’s request]

Dale:   …I was always guarded with our discussions.  He (Ernie) was a very helpful individual and very supportive, but it wasn’t really well known in the organization that I was involved in the Remote Viewing research.  I happened to be assigned to his group for a certain time…it was classified so some of the stuff I couldn’t even share with him.

Because it was such a political hot potato – only a few people in the organization were allowed to be read into the project, and I think at one point I had a lot of meetings, about once a month, with the chief scientist (Dr. Cacciopo).  He came in mostly from the psychological side – he was very interested in the topic and just wanted personal updates, and there were times I’d be in his office late at night and we were just shooting the breeze discussing the phenomenon of remote viewing – the source of it – the kind of things we’re discussing here.  I don’t even remember having any discussions with Cacciopo about UFO’s!

Ryan: If anyone had ever said you and Cacciopo had gone to a number of high level classified meetings, would those meetings most likely have been related to the Remote Viewing research that you were involved with at the time?

Dale: Yes, absolutely.

Analysis and Summary

Based on some of the descriptions about Ernie, the odds aren’t looking too good for Kellerstrass. 

From Bob Collins:

"Ernie was a short pudgy type of person who always seemed to have a menacing, intimidating attitude typical of AF Colonels of the time, yet full of fear and paranoia when talking about UFOs, MJ-12 and aliens, always saying that someone else had told him those stories."

Hal Puthoff (in an email to me in 2007 after already learning about our interview):

"Met him only once, in the ’80’s, so memory is vague.  Friendly host  for our mtg.  Certainly convinced of the ET presence because of firsthand exposure to at least one event.  Bruce Maccabee’s "Hawk Tales" captures his  claims in detail.  Difficulty in assessing his viewpoints is that Dale  Graff, whose opinion I value after having known him as my contract monitor for ~  a decade, first at FTD, then DIA, claimed Ernie exaggerates.  Don’t know if  this is the truth, or if Dale is dissembling."

Dr. Kit Green:  

"HIGHLY VOLUBLE, PRESSURED SPEECH, POOR LISTENER"

Bob Collins tells a number of amazing tales in his book, Exempt From Disclosure, regarding Ernie’s valliant efforts throughout the MJ-12 affair and throughout the 1980’s to impress upon certain producers the "legitimacy" of sources and to create intrigue surrounding the story.

Who is the mysteriouis Ernie Kellerstrass? Why has he gotten away with hiding in the shadows behind Bob Collins and Rick Doty for so many years – never taking the fall when the story falls apart?  Does the story really start with Ernie?  Or is Ernie just another believer – whose mind became captured by the stories that he was "fed" back in the late 1970’s?  If so – where did the stories actually come from, and who really created them?

Believers would probably answer with the age old stereotypical cliche – the Air Force.  However, those who’ve been following along with this plot and with the characters, behaviors, and ultimately the profits enjoyed by many of those who’ve hid in the background all of these years – the answer seems far less complicated and much less esoteric than certain people would like you to think. The answer lies right in front of our faces, yet so many folks still cling to long-standing new-age UFO beliefs strengthened and cemented by these fabricated stories, and they refuse to see the men behind the curtain…even as the curtain slides cleanly to the side.

Please check back often – in future updates we’ll be reviewing some of the fascinating stories Dale Graff provided earlier in the interview, about Project Blue Book and the nature of psychic phenomenon.









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