November 28, 2010

Did UFOs Disable Minuteman Missiles at Malmstrom AFB in 1967?


RU member Tim Hebert has posted a summary of his independent analysis of the Malmstrom incident on his blog that followers of the recent heated debate between UFO researcher Robert Hastings and James Carlson, son of Eric Carlson, one of the two launch officer on duty at Echo Flight at the time of the shutdown on the morning of March 16, 1967, should find interesting.  Here we have what can be considered an expert opinion on the matter given Tim’s experience with the weapons system in question.  This should help guide us as to which version of events makes the most sense; that of former launch officer Robert Salas who wasn’t at Echo Flight but claims UFOs caused the shutdown and the Air Force covered it up, or that of former launch officers Eric Carlson and Walt Figel, both of whom were on duty at Echo Flight at the time and claim they don’t believe UFOs caused the shutdown.

Tim begins his analysis with the following background…

“When it comes to the existence of UFOs, I have to admit that I’m rather agnostic about the subject.  Its simple for me, over the past 53 years, I’ve never seen a UFO.  I don’t rule the phenomenon out completely, but I’m of the mind frame that you have to “show me the saucer” or better yet, I need to see one with my own eyes. The case of the Malmstrom AFB UFO incident that allegedly happened in 1967 caught my attention about a year ago.  Malmstrom was my first Air Force assignment, stationed there from 1981 to 1985.  I was assigned to the 490th Strategic Missile Squadron as a Minuteman II launch officer.  My primary alert facilities where November-01, Lima-01 and Kilo-01.  During my time on station, I never saw a UFO, nor did I hear from other alert crew members that they had seen one.  Curiously, I had never heard of any stories about UFOs disabling ICBM.  We would talk about the myths and legends surrounding our “haunted” Launch Facility, A-05, but UFOs weren’t in our lexicon.”

A UFO Mysteriously Causes 10 Minuteman ICBMs to Drop Off Alert

Tim recaps the account of events as presented by Hastings and Salas et. al. and proposes the following explanation…

“UFOs are talked about or alluded to, but none of the principle characters of Hastings’ story sees or reports any strange objects flying in the sky or hovering over an ICBM launch site. The UFO hypothesis remains seriously in doubt. I propose a different set of hypothesis based upon the Minuteman I’s complexity and the reporting of UFO sightings starting in January of 1967.

1.The ten missiles in Echo Flight shut down due to a power system anomaly, though unusual in the number of involved LFs, similar incident had occurred in 1966, on a smaller scale, at another 10th Strategic Missile Squadron Flight.

2. The involvement of UFOs started out as a practical joke due to the past reports of sighting by the local population and subsequently published reports in the local newspapers and talked about for three months prior to the 16 March 1967 Echo Flight incident.”

Go to Tim’s blog called “Did It Really Happen?” to read his detialed analysis and let him know what you think…

http://timhebert.blogspot.com/2010/11/did-ufos-disable-minuteman-missiles-at.html


Update: Tim has added two new articles to his blog regarding a “day in the life” type reconstruction of events on March 16th, 1967 he performed with some interesting results…

Off Alert, Echo Flight, 0845: A Reconstruction…Part 1
http://timhebert.blogspot.com/2010/12/off-alert-echo-flight-0845.html

Off Alert, Echo Flight: The “UFO” Encounter…Part 2
http://timhebert.blogspot.com/2010/12/off-alert-echo-flight-ufo-encounterpart.html



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November 10, 2010

The James Carlson Malmstrom Problem


If I’ve ever said to anyone that Ufologists could never do anything that would surprise me, I suppose I have to take it back. In light of Robert Hastings recent comments regarding James Carlson recently, I have to say that I am very surprised.

I’m surprised not only by his insistence in ignoring the clear evidence that James Carlson has laid out in his book, as well as the evidence in the form of two very recent interviews with Malmstrom 1967 witnesses, right here on RU. You’ve seen their statements circa 2010 with your very own eyes – and both men have said in no uncertain terms that they do not believe that UFOs ever played a part in the 1967 Echo Flight silo shutdown. Yet the Hastings/Salas charade continues as though everything’s quite alright. They’re only two guys, right?

I actually feel that Hastings is a decent writer, and might even strike some real gold in his research related to the Nuclear/UFO issue. Unfortunately, what these recent events show is that, like many old-school Ufologists throughout the decades, they’ve drawn so many conclusions with such die-hard certainty that they can not incorporate new facts, when those evidence-based facts counter what they want or need to believe must be true.

Tim Printy covered much of Hastings’ illogical argument in his latest issue of SUNlite as well.

The funniest thing I’ve ever seen come from Hastings was a posting on October 25 at UFO Chronicles, titled “The James T. Carlson Problem.”

In this post, Hastings posts several false statements about Carlson. Such as this one:

“…a UFO debunker named James T. Carlson has been posting countless items online over the past two years, calling these veterans (and others who were involved in the missile shutdown incidents) liars, or worse.”

As anyone who has followed along at RU knows, this is an outright lie. James has only called Hastings and Salas liars. Hastings continues:

In any case, the time has come for me to take inventory, in preparation for a possible legal action: While I am aware of numerous posts by James Carlson about all of this—on blogs at several websites—I’m certain that I’ve missed many more, given that they run into the hundreds at this point. So, I am seeking the reader’s assistance:

I am asking that persons who want to the truth about the incidents at Malmstrom AFB in 1967 to be established—once and for all—to scour the Internet and locate posts in which Carlson has referred to me (or Bob Salas) as a “fraud”, a “liar” a “hoaxer” or similar defamatory terms. I am also interested in posts where James claims that he has “proved” that Mr. Salas and I have misrepresented the facts. Those willing to assist me in this regard should send me links to the offending posts via ufohastings@aol.com.

I was literally in tears from laughing after reading this. As everyone knows, James has made it a point to always point out everywhere he’s posted about this issue, that they can find him, and read about the real truth concerning Echo Flight, his father and Walt Figel, right here at RealityUncovered – nowhere else.

Hastings’ statement above comes across like a paranoid and delusional breakdown – a victim mentality – where the attacks are coming from all sides and from all quarters. No, Mr. Hastings, you know exactly where the truth is – and readers can get it for absolutely free. Here, it doesn’t cost $29.95. Unlike the much-touted “press conference” now offered at Bob Salas’ website. Posted recently on UFO Chronicles:

“It’s a collectible item, so don’t break the seal! You might want to get two! And the details? It’s basically a … … full, uncut DVD of the National Press Club event.The DVD includes a presentation from all 12 of our panelists plus Q & A with the media. $29.95″

Unfortunately, neither Walt Figel or Eric Carlson were there to offer their version of events at Echo Flight. But you can get their version right here at RU for a whopping $0.00!

In response to Hastings’ legal threats, James Carlson penned the following powerful and provocative response – please enjoy:

James Carlson’s Open Letter to Robert Hastings

Since Robert Hastings refuses all emails from me, regularly discards any comments I post regarding his claims on UFOCHRONICLES, and refuses entirely to comment or present arguments in relation to the issues I’ve raised, a tactic contrary in every way to prior assertions welcoming public discourse and debate, I have decided to post this response to his consideration of legal action targeting me for insisting that he and Salas are liars, frauds, and hoaxers, and that I can prove it.

Dear Robert Hastings,

In light of your recent public appeals for examples of internet-based “libel” authored by me — statements that you imply can be proven as such sufficient to sway popular opinion within the suitable confines of a court of law — I have the following statement, and request a response:

First, you have loudly and persistently affirmed since March 2010 that the written statements I received from Colonel (Retired) Walter Figel, Jr. were false statements, and that my claims of having interviewed him were simply lies intended to basically raise doubts regarding your interpretations of your own interviews with him.

In your September 26, 2010 article, “The Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt“, for instance, you assert that:

“James Carlson …has consistently lied about the colonel’s various comments to researchers.”

You also claim that

“Colonel Figel disputes all of Eric Carlson’s claims.”

In light of the fact that both you and Robert Salas called Figel the day following my first interview with him in March, and that the written statement detailing his opinions regarding your poor interpretation of the events he experienced was also sent to you, do you still insist that I have been lying since last March, and that I have, in fact, never spoken to Colonel Figel, as you have told others?

Follow-up questions to this line of thought include:

(1) Since your transcripts of your interviews with Figel are obviously incomplete, why don’t they include any complete assertions regarding the presence of a UFO? Nowhere in your transcripts is there a clear and definitive statement regarding any report of a UFO. In the interviews and written statements that he was immediately willing to share with me, his statements are very definitive: there was no UFO reported, no UFO was involved, and no investigation of a UFO was undertaken. He was very clear in this regard — with me. Why not with you, or did you just edit that part out of your transcripts in order to create the impression of a UFO where none could be otherwise reasonably established?

That’s why I asked for and received a written statement from him that was complete and to the point.

(2) Did you ever follow up your investigation with Dick Evans, as Figel suggested? He was, after all, a witness to both the personnel portion of the incident, and was later involved with the actual investigation as well, so his comments would be very interesting to your readers, I would think, unless, of course, he told you the same thing that Figel insists he told both you and Salas, this being the fundamentals of what he also told me and Ryan Dube — that there were no UFOs involved in the incident.

In general, I’d like to know exactly what I’ve allegedly lied about. Was my interview with Figel a lie? Or was it Ryan Dube who lied? Because, remember, Figel addressed his questions as well. Or maybe I should ask, and this is the fun part, am I lying when I insist that I can easily prove how badly you’ve maligned this issue, how blatantly you’ve misin‌terpreted Figel’s statements to you in the past, and how often you yourself have lied and twisted this issue around, and that I can do so by simply asking Walt Figel what happened?

Because that’s exactly what I did prior to his last statement — you know, the strongly worded one in which he insists that Robert Salas has been lying about this matter since 1995.

You remember, don’t you? It’s that written statement of his that can’t possibly be misinterpreted by anybody, even you — the statment that I couldn’t possibly twist around to make it seem somehow less damaging to your story; it’s that statment of Figel’s that you seem to blaiming on me to such an extent that you’re considering (and I find this particularly laughable) legal action.

Tell me, do you intend to sue Figel and my father as well? ‘Cause I’ve got to tell you, they’ve said the same things I have, but they’ve done so with a Hell of a lot more authority than I could ever muster.

Tell me, are all of your UFO investigations conducted so dishonestly, in order to create an issue that doesn’t otherwise exist? Why do you consistently refuse to answer any of the questions put to you about this one case? Why do you regularly delete my commentaries on UFOCHRONICLES rather than comment on them as any honest man would? Why is it so easy to confirm your complete and utter disregard for the facts by simply interviewing your own witnesses?

What exactly are you trying to hide, and why do you even bother, when destroying your case is as easy as conducting a fairly general conversation with intelligent men? Or is it the “intelligent men” part that throws you off?

Humor me, please, with another line of thought:

During the press conference you and Salas organized for September 27, 2010 at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, did Robert Salas publically proclaim, in answer to one of the questions presented by a member of the audience, that both my father, Captain (Retired) Eric D. Carlson, the commander at Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, and his deputy commander on that date, Colonel (Retired) Walter Figel, Jr., confirmed his testimony regarding UFO interference on that date?

This bit strikes me as particularly odd, because only rarely will someone make such a claim only two days after both men had very publically and definitively insisted otherwise. Was that just a “brain fart”, or is he just lying again to make another worthless point in front of the press?

That’s all I’ve got for you — just a few little questions. An answer would be appreciated, although I admit, it’s a little difficult to even ask you these questions for the reasons I’ve already indicated above.

I am curious to know why you profess to believe in the necessity for public discourse where issues involving UFOs are concerned, while your every act shows the opposite — or does public discourse only apply to the USAF, and not those individuals who are trying to substantiate a ridiculous UFO hoax of this nature?

It looks to me like you do a whole lot of running away from questions, as if answering them would somehow show you to be the ridiculous little liar and fraud that I’ve already shown you to be. You know, Robert, you don’t need to ask other people to do your research for you — although I understand that’s what you’re used to doing; you know, like advertising for UFO stories on the Internet, so you can write them up and call them “facts”, and insist that the USAF needs to come clean on UFOs. Isn’t that your modus operandi?

Let me make this easier for you — that way you don’t have to bother all the nice people who read your tripe to bring you examples of my slanders and libel. I’ll just give you what you want, because it’s so much easier, and because I’d really like to get you to actually sue me — I think litigation would be a suitably pathetic way for you to go down in history as the ineffectual UFO “researcher” you really are if you did it all by yourself in front of a jury!

Now then, what are the words I’m looking for? Oh, yeah!

You, Robert Hastings, currently a resident of Albuquerque, New Mexico, are a liar, a fraud, and a UFO hoaxer of the worst kind, and I can and have proven this to be true. I really hope you challenge me in court, because I would enjoy destroying what little worth your current reputation can lay claim to.

You’re a ridiculous scoundrel, and the fact that you are completely unable to answer any detailed questions regarding the events you have proposed simply adds to the mess that your own lies have created for you. The fact that you seem to think you’re believable enough to take this matter to court is absolutely hilarious, and I look forward to the article you will eventually write and publish on UFOCHRONICLES insisting that you have no intention of taking me to court, because you’re the better man, or some such silly B.S., leaving out the part where you finally realized doing so would humiliate you completely.

I give you 30 days.

Most sincerely,

James Carlson



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September 26, 2010

The Echo Flight UFO Debate Continues


After the last four articles published here at RU covering the witness statements obtained from primary Echo Flight witnesses Walter Figel and Eric Carlson, an already fiery online “debate” grew even more heated.

Apparent supporters of Robert Salas and Robert Hastings began posting statements to our blog stating that RU researchers would never have a chance of catching up to Robert Hasting’s 30+ years of UFO experience – we shouldn’t even try, give it up, game over.

It took RU’s Stephen Broadbent no longer than a few minutes to determine that most of the apparent “supporters” were actually a single person (same IP) posting under various names. That raised a few eyebrows.

The lengths that some grown men go…

Setting aside the drama, one good thing that came out of those comments was another promise that Hastings would produce the mythical “audio tapes” that he’d been promising to publish for many months, which would apparently show that James Carlson and his father are liars. Having already waited for the tapes that were promised over five months ago, no one was holding their breath. So we were pleasantly surprised when we were told that Robert Hastings finally turned up the goods in an article titles “The Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt” at UFO Chronicles.

The Walter Figel Tapes

I’m not certain who the witches are and who exactly is doing the hunting, but one thing is for certain – Robert Hastings and Robert Salas sure don’t want anyone to know what Walter Figel is now saying. I read through Hasting’s recent article very carefully, and his only reference to recent events involved telling readers that James Carlson and Eric Carlson are lying about everything.

He failed to directly respond to Walt Figels more recent comments in 2010, and when James Carlson attempts to reference the comments on the forums that Robert Hastings frequents, James’ posts get deleted. There is certainly a cover-up going on, that’s for sure. Just not the sort of cover up Hastings and Salas would like you to believe.

However, after reading Hasting’s article, I admit to being a bit frustrated with Mr. Figel. Despite his recent comments clarifying the matter to James, it’s clear what he was saying to Hastings and Salas according to those recordings, at least as far back as 1996. After reading Hasting’s article, I decided to contact Walter Figel myself. I did so because Hastings keeps calling James a liar, so I needed something in my hands that would prove one way or another that Figel’s more recent comments about the Echo Flight case were real.

While Hastings failed to produce the promised audio tapes where he and/or Salas supposedly had post-2008 contact with Figel, with claims supposedly proving that James and Eric are now lying – there are still questions that need to be answered. Even though these older recordings don’t prove anything new (except that Hastings most likely does NOT have any more recent interactions with Figel proving anything he’s been claiming about James) – they do require clarification from Figel.

Walter Figel Responds

I wrote an email to Figel and cc’d Eric and James asking Figel, point blank, why he said what he said in those recordings. He responded to me, asking for the link. James responded to his request with the following email, providing Figel with the transcripts.

James wrote:

Robert Salas just published the following transcripts of a conversation he had with you in 1996. He never mentioned anything about your testimony until well after 2002.

Did you actually do this interview, and if so, why is it so different from what you have repeatedly told me, and from what my father has repeatedly claimed?

James ends his email with a comment that makes it very clear to me that he’s not only being as truthful as he can be, but he’s only interested in the truth, and clearing his family name – he has no interest in UFOs or “debunking” the nuclear missile stories found throughout Ufology. He is only interested in the case that his own father was a primary witness to. James continues:

I would very much appreciate some clarity here. I understand that you don’t want to get involved, but you are involved. You can’t get rid of that involvement, not after you’ve basically said that my Dad is a liar. I don’t care what a bunch of wack-jobs waiting for the next flying saucer pick-up have to say about me, because they’ve been doing that for years, but I will not just sit and let them do the same thing to my father.

If you are not willing to fix this — and that means making a cohesive statement of one thing or another, and calling Salas and Hastings and telling them, one way or the other, then please tell me, because this back and forth is ridiculous. These people are telling everybody that I never spoke to you — that I have made the whole thing up from the very beginning. If I am that dissociative, somebody should tell me

Walt finally responded at length to both James and I. He listed the major points that he believes are at issue here. Figel clearly states as of Sept 24th, 2010 – that not only does he believe UFO’s were not involved at Echo Flight, but Figel also reveals some shocking insight into some of Salas’ other claims regarding issues beyond the Echo Flight case. Here is what Figel had to say on the matter.

James,

First – your dad has not lied about anything nor do believe that he is even capable of lying about anything at all. He was, is, and always will be an honorable man. You should remember that always – I will.

Second – Bob Salas was never associated with any shutdown of any missiles at any time in any flight and you can take that to the bank. Just think about this for a split second. He is a person wrapped up in UFOs to the Nth degree. Yet he could not remember he was not at Echo. Then he thought he was at November – wrong again. Then he thought he was at Oscar – wrong again.

Third – There is no record about anything happening at November or Oscar except in people’s minds that are flawed beyond imagination. Salas has created events out of the thin air and can’t get the facts straight even then. My best friend to this day was the flight commander of the 10th SMS at the time. He and I have discussed this silly assertion in the past couple of years – he thinks it is all madeup nonsense for sure. I put both Salas and Hastings in touch with him and he has told them both that an incident at November or Oscar never happened. In addition he was subsequently stationed at Norton AFB where the engineers tested the possible problems. No little green men were responsible.

Fourth – I have always maintained that I do not nor have I ever believed that UFOs exist in any form at any place at any time. I have never seen one or reported that I have seen one. I have always maintained that they had nothing to do with the shutdown of Echo flight in Montana.

Fifth – The event at Malmstrom has a hand written log from me that was turned in just like all the other logs that I wrote over several years. I would think that if I wrote something like that in the log, there would be copies, it would have been classified at the beginning and then released along with the classified SAC messages and base reports. Nothing in that urgent SAC message even hints of UFOs at all and I think that it would if the official logs or telephone calls had referenced that fact.

Sixth – When it happened, neither your dad nor I were “visibly shaken” by the events. It was just another day with a unexpected event in our lives. It was rather underwhelming at the time. No one rushed out to see us, no one made us sign any papers, no one interrogated us for hours on end.

There is no Air Force “cover-up” it just did not happen the way Salas and has portrayed the course of events. I am sorry that you are all caught up in a pissing contest with these people, I really am. They are just not going to let go no matter what you say or do. He has made a 15 year career pandering about the country talking about things he has no knowledge about. I am not at all interested in taking them on – it’s not worth my effort – I have more important things to do with my life. I much rather just stay out of it.

Hopefully, we can move on. I did read about a briefing on the 27th here in DC. I am here in VA about 10 miles away. Interesting. Hopefully this helps you and confirms to you at least that your dad is a straight shooter and does not lie to anyone.

Sincerely,
Walt Figel

While I am still personally not satisfied with the lack of explanation for why he said what he said to Hastings and Salas back in 1996 and 2008 – there is plenty of room for speculation. Maybe the ground crew were joking (he did say he didn’t take them seriously) and Figel was reporting to Hastings and Salas what he thought they wanted to hear – that someone mentioned “UFOs” related to Echo flight.

Maybe he assumed they would report his statements without spinning it to support the reality of UFO’s – which he repeats he does not believe in. Or maybe Figel saw an opportunity to be an “authority” with someone writing a book on the issue, and a chance for a little bit of fame. Who knows at this point. But what is especially revealing is when you look at the points Walter made beyond the simple matter of the recording clips Hastings published.

Witness Walter Figel is Not Invited to the Press Conference

Figel’s following points are rather powerful, I must admit.

-> He confirms James father is an honorable man and has not lied about Echo Flight.
-> He writes: “Bob Salas was never associated with any shutdown of any missiles at any time in any flight and you can take that to the bank.”
-> Walt’s friend, the flight commander of the 10th SMS agrees that the UFO nonsense about Echo Flight is made up – and he apparently told Hastings and Salas that an incident at November or Oscar never happened, yet they’ve never reported that statement to the public.
-> Nothing in the released SAC message (from the declassified documents on the case) contained “even hints of UFOs at all.” Walt maintains that if he’d written anything about UFOs – it would have been reflected there, but it’s not.
-> Walt admits that Eric Carlson’s statement was true that no one made them sign anything, and no one raced out to interrogate them.

Walt’s final statement was probably the most powerful…because he makes such an excellent and revealing point, as he writes:

“I did read about a briefing on the 27th here in DC. I am here in VA about 10 miles away. Interesting.”

Upon seeing this comment, my eyes froze at that line. What an important point.

Yes, indeed, why would Hastings and Salas hold a press conference on the 27th in DC, and not invite Walt Figel, one of their primary and most important witnesses to one of the allegedly largest nuclear missile silo UFO shutdowns in the history of Ufology? Why would they not have retired Lt. Walt Figel standing in front of the cameras admitting that yes, indeed, a UFO was involved at Echo Flight?

At the time of the conference, he is located only 10 miles away, yet they didn’t invite him. I wonder why?



Filed under: UFOlogy,UFOs — Tags: , , , , , — RyanDube @ 2:56 pm




September 12, 2010

An Interview With Malmstrom AFB Witness Eric Carlson


For those of you following along with this story (or for those of you who are just coming along now), I have the pleasure to introduce you to one of the men who has been at the epicenter of a storm within the Ufology community.

It has been a longstanding legend within Ufology that a UFO was sighted over the Silos at Echo Flight and Oscar flight, and that those UFOs were related to the electronic malfunction and shutdown of the nuclear missiles protecting the United States of America from the Communist threat.

The major source of these stories has been a man who alleges that he was a witness to at least Oscar flight, and that he has insight knowledge about events at Echo flight.

You can read many of his claims at the CUFON website, or you can check out the book published by Robert Salas called Faded Giant, with James Klotz listed as contributor. Robert Salas and Robert Hastings are actively promoting this book, and speaking at an upcoming National Press Conference in Washington DC on September 27th.

The Interview with Retired AF Captain Eric Carlson

After we were contacted by James Carlson, and provided with information from his research and interviews, we carefully reviewed the claims by Salas and Hastings, and eventually decided two things. There were two primary witnesses to the Echo Flight event – Walt Figel and Eric Carlson. These two men were in E-Flight LCC, watched the systems fail, and responded in the manner they were trained to respond. No one out there – no one- would know better than these two men what really happened in the control room on that day.

Walt Figel provided his feedback to James, which we’ve published previously on this blog. He does not want to be a part of the debate, and wishes to be left alone after providing his final statement, so we will respect that. However, Captain Eric Carlson remains an excellent witness, and told his son that he would be willing to talk to anyone who is truly interested in the truth.

So – I contacted the retired Captain and he agreed to the interview. It is provided below. I have only edited grammatical or spelling errors, but left his responses exactly how he provided them to me. Without further ado, I would like to introduce you to Echo Flight witness Eric Carlson.

Question and Answer

Ryan: According to the stories, on Thursday Morning, March 16, 1967, you (Captain Eric Carlson) and First Lieutenant Walt Figel were serving as the Echo-Flight Missile Crew in the E-Flight LCC. According to Salas, “more than one report came in from the security patrols and maintenance crews that they had seen UFOs.”

According to Salas, a UFO was even sighted directly above one of the E-Flight silos. At an estimated 08:30, Salas claims that an alarm sounded reporting to you and Figel that one of the Minuteman missiles you were responsible for had become inoperable.

First – lets touch on this claim. Could you describe what you remember about this specific part of the story? Was there such an alarm at all and was it unusual?

Eric: There were no reports called in to either me or Lt Figel on the morning of March 16, 1967.  The report that we had lost ten missiles is accurate.  It was not uncommon to lose one missile or even two to no-go status, it was unheard of to lose all ten.

I recall that both Lt Figel and I were Kept rather busy completing our checklists, which included calls to the wing command post and maintenance control.  Shortly after completing the check lists we received a call from the senior controller at SAC headquarters, a general.   He wanted to know my status and I informed him that E-2 thru E-11 were in no-go status.  He asked me if I was sure and how did I know they would not launch.

I advised him that my tech order indicated they would not launch.  I am sure he was concerned because our targets would have to be covered by someone else.  He then asked it E-1 would launch and I advised him that that was the launch control center where we were.  I recall wanting to tell him that I sure as hell hoped it wouldn’t.

The Alleged UFO Sighting and System Failure

Ryan: The stories claim that when Figel called the security guard on the surface, the guard reported that no maintenance had taken place and that a UFO had been hovering over the silo. Do you recall Figel making this phonecall, and did he tell you that anyone on the other end of the line mentioned anything about a UFO?

Eric: There was no call, at any time, telling us about any UFOs.

Ryan: Reportedly, the entire flight of ICBMs went into “no-go” status – and once you and Figel completed the checklist procedure you learned that all systems were offline due to a guidance and control systems malfunction. Could you elaborate on the accuracy of that claim?

Eric: The voice reporting system did report a guidance and control system malfunction.

Ryan: Did either you or Figel (or anyone else) eventually determine what caused the system malfunction? Or was there any speculation? In other words, did you eventually receive any follow-up information about what the engineers learned about the malfunction?

Eric: I don’t know if anyone eventually determined the cause.  I have not read the report of investigation.  There was no way for either Figel or myself to make that determination and there was no follow-up from engineers.  Any report they made would have been classified and I had no need to know.

The After-Effects of the Experience

Ryan: According to the story, when Captain Don Crawford’s crew relieved you and Walt, you were “still visibly shaken by what had occurred.” Do you recall having such an emotional reaction to the event, and if so, why?

Eric: I do not recall being “shaken” by what had occurred.  I do not believe Lt Figel nor I had any emotional reaction other than perhaps surprise.

Ryan: Do you have an insight or experiences to report related to the reported Oscar Flight incident where allegedly another UFO was sighted which reportedly sent the missiles into “no-go” status?

Eric: The event at Echo became what could be referred to as the talk of the town.  Everyone knew about it and many crew members kidded me about it.  There was never any talk, at any time, about a similar event at Oscar.  I can only conclude from that that it never happened.

Ryan: Why would crew members kid you about a malfunction – was it because it was rare for all of the silos to go down at once? During the jokes and discussions with other crew members, did anyone mention anything about a UFO being sighted above the silo when the malfunction occurred?

Eric: The crew members of the 10th SMS were a tight group.  We were the first minuteman squadron activated and did a lot together.  When soomeone in the squadron had difficulties, that were not related to their skills or qualifications, kidding took place.  At no time were UFOs mentioned to me.

The Follow-Up Air Force Investigation

Ryan: CUFOS reports that subsequent investigations by Boeing engineers turned up no explanation for what could have caused the shutdown, and some speculated that only a high energy electromagnetic pulse (EMP) could have entered the shielded system to cause the failure. Were you aware of any of the subsequent investigations after the shutdown of Echo and/or Oscar, and are able to shed more light on what was actually determined?

Eric: I have no information that sheds light on the incident other than the official investigation or the Echo incident.  To the best of my knowledge there was no report or investigation of any Oscar incident.

Ryan: Had you ever had any conversations with the security guards or staff who allegedly saw the UFO hovering over the silo? What, if anything, did you learn from those conversations about the alleged sighting(s)?

Eric: I have never had any discussion with security personnel regarding UFOs.

Ryan: Do you know if Walter did? According to the stories, he was the one that answered the phone. Of course, you were right there, so I’m sure you would have known if someone told him a UFO had been sighted?

Eric: I am sure that if Figel had any discussions with security personnel about UFOs that he would have mentioned it to me.

Ryan: According to many former USAF personnel, the USAF allegedly frowned upon the reporting or even internal acknowledgement of such UFO events and/or sightings. Is this how you felt while you were serving in the USAF?

Eric: I never felt constrained in any way regarding reporting any unusual activities around missile sites.  In fact, I believe we were encouraged to report unusual incidents or events.

Ryan: Finally – I would like to give you an opportunity to share whether you were ever contacted or interviewed by Hastings, Salas or any other Ufologists before, and your perspective on the stories that they’ve put out there about the events that occurred at Echo Flight and Oscar Flight.

Eric: I was contacted by both Salas and Hastings and would neither confirm or deny anything they told me.  I really didn’t want to get involved in a pissing contest with either.  Hastings told me he had written a book and I told him that sounded interesting.  He sent me a copy and while I cannot attest or comment on anything other than the Malmstrom incident I found that particular incident full of errors.  A producer for some UFO TV series contacted me one time and a reporter from the Great Fall newspaper also contacted me one time.  There were no follow-ups from either.

Ryan: This is interesting! Hastings only called to talk to you after he’d written the book? Or was he calling you while he was writing his book in order to confirm information he’d learned from Salas?

Eric: Hastings called after he had written the book.  I don’t know what his motive was.

Final Words

We’ve learned recently that Robert Salas was recently interviewed on Coast to Coast, and repeated many of the claims that these two witnesses report are not true. James Carlson has been working diligently and honestly to uncover and report the truth about the Echo Flight incident that his father was a primary witness to. We can only hope that in the spirit of truth and unbiased reporting, that Coast to Coast will consider interviewing James and his father Eric Carlson, for a glimpse of the real story.

I would also recommend to our readers, that if you do decide to purchase and read Faded Giant, that you take what Salas has reported with a grain of salt, because unfortunately the real witnesses at Echo Flight do not support his claims.







August 14, 2010

The Malmstrom AFB Missile/UFO Incident, March 1967


According to Ufology researcher/writer Robert Hastings, on March 16, 1967, the appearance of UFOs at Echo-Flight nuclear missile facility allegedly shut down the missile silo. Robert Hasting’s information comes from a man named Robert Salas who claimed he witnessed the event.

Background of the Malmstrom AFB Missile/UFO Case

The son of one of the officers who was involved in the Echo flight incident, named James Carlson, took Hastings and Salas to task for those claims. Carlson contends that both his father and retired Col. Walt Figel, the other officer involved in the incident, both reported that there were no UFOs.

See Tim Printy’s March-April 2010 edition of SUNlite for more background.

Hastings has denied that James was ever in touch with the second witness, Col. Walt Figel. James Carlson provided RU investigators with records of his correspondence with Figel, which revealed that Figel confirmed James Carlson’s interpretation of how the event actually occurred.

In March of 2010, James writes:

Robert Hastings has made much of the fact that I have refused to interview his witness, Col. (Ret.) Walter Figel, Jr., regarding his recollections of the Echo Flight Incident on March 16, 1967. To be precise, he has written “I note first that James Carlson still refuses to call retired Col. Walt Figel, to hear from his own lips, as I did in October 2008, that while on alert as the DMCCC at Malmstrom’s Echo Flight, in March 1967, he spoke with two individuals via the phone in the capsule–a missile maintenance team member and an arriving SAT team member–about a “large round object” that was hovering over one of the flight’s LFs. James’ father, Eric Carlson, lied to him some time ago–telling him that no UFOs were present when all 10 missiles dropped-off alert status–and so James has been slandering and libeling everyone who disputes that version of events ever since, Including one former MIMS tech whom I interviewed a few years ago.” He stated as well: “So, James Carlson, rant on. If you ever find the courage to call Col. Figel please let me know. I will provide his phone number, as I first offered to do a year-and-a-half ago.”

Frankly, I’ve never needed his assistance to contact Col. Figel — I’ve managed to do so quite easily on my own. The fact that I have been reticent to discuss the matter in more detail has very little to do with cowardice. I have, in fact, contacted Col. Figel, but didn’t feel that it would be very ethical to discuss in detail the event he recalls without securing first his complete cooperation, authority, and permission to do so. Having secured that this very evening, I am now prepared to discuss the matter in full. I can also add, very strongly, that my father never lied to me about anything, as Hastings claims, and that his recollections match exactly those of Col. Figel’s. I’ve “slandered and libeled” nobody, and I can say with complete confidence today that both Robert Hastings and Robert Salas have knowingly mislead their entire audience into believing a lie they were well aware of in order to sell their books.

James reported that Col Figel confirmed that:

1. Col. Figel does not believe UFOs were “even remotely associated with the Echo Flight Incident, or any other equipment failures at Malmstrom.”
2. Col. Figel confirmed that he has no interest in Ufology and is not a fan of the UFO crowd.
3. Figel stated, “I have read both of their books. There are many inaccurate statements and events in the books. I have told them both that.”
4. He also stated that Salas was “never involved in any of them (the flights) at all.”

August 2010 – James Carlson Reveals more of the Figel Communications

In August of 2010, James learned that more rumors had spread regarding his communications with Figel. Specifically, there were rumors floating about that the communications had never taken place. Once again, James entered the RU forums to set the record straight, and wrote the following commentary in a post on RealityUncovered forums:

“Gentlemen, and Ladies, In some discussions I’ve had with people in other forums, I’ve discovered that there a lot of people out in the world who are convinced that I have not had any discussions with COL.(Ret.) Walter Figel, Jr., and that my declarations to the contrary are lies. Robert Hastings has apparently decided that this is going to be stand he takes. In a recent commentary, he has stated – as he has for months – that I have never spoken with Walt Figel, who has confirmed everything that Robert Hastings has asserted regarding the Echo Flight Incident on March 16, 1967.

This is patently untrue and can be easily shown as such. Robert Hastings has knowingly published versions of this event that he has been told are false by both my father and Walt Figel, and his claims to the contrary are little more than silly attacks that are intended to delay the ruination of his and Robert Salas’ Echo Flight claims until after his pathetic little dog and pony show at the National Press Club in Washington, DC next month. The fact that he would do so at the expense of another man’s reputation doesn’t surprise me. He and Robert Salas have done this before.

The fact that he would do such a thing that is so easily countered also doesn’t surprise me, for reasons I won’t go into. I think everybody knows my opinion of him. It would very, very easy for Hastings and Salas to prove that I am lying by simply contacting Walt Figel, and getting a statement from him that I have been lying about his assertions for the past four-and-a-half months, but neither man has done this. In fact, some months ago Robert Hastings insisted that he would – within a matter of days – release statements and transcripts of his discussions with Walt Figel that would prove his case. He has failed to do so, not because he’s too busy (frankly, it wouldn’t take that long), but because he can’t.

He knows exactly what Walt Figel told me, because he and Robert Salas called him the very next day. It was my certainty that these two have made claims that not only could not be supported, but were transparently contrary to the witness statements that they have published in support of their claims, that originally motivated me to call Walt Figel in the first place – that and Hastings’ insistence that I was afraid to all Figel, because Figel would tell me that my Dad had lied to me. I wanted to confirm my conviction that he had never made the claims regarding UFO interference that Hastings and Salas have consciously and knowingly misrepresented in order to make their claims seem more likely.

This is deceptive – a judgment I reached immediately upon discussing the matter with Walt Figel, who insisted that not only were UFOs not involved at Echo Flight in March 1967, but that he has discussed this with both Hastings and Salas, and was ignored. That escalates the entire incident beyond simple deceit to one of conscious and knowing invention, an invention that has lent their claims greater support among those factions demanding public disclosure of classified documents.

Using a blatant “lie” to give support to such factions is, in my opinion, nearly to the point of a treasonable offense. For these reasons, I have decided to publish the totality of my communications with both Walt Figel, the deputy commander of Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, and Frederick Meiwald, who, according to Robert Salas, was the commander of Oscar Flight on March 24-25, 1967, which is when Salas asserts a UFO took 8-10 missiles offline, an event that emptied the command post of all armed security personnel, and ultimately resulted in the injury of one security policeman to such an extent that he had to be evacuated from the site by helicopter.

You would think that if a man was injured by a UFO during his watch after that same UFO had emptied the command post of personnel, so they could confront the UFO, fully armed, that he would probably believe that the UFO was not a figment of the entire command post’s group imagination. That’s not the case, though.

Meiwald isn’t exactly the brilliant confirmation of these events that Salas has made him out to be. Robert Hastings has recently claimed – again – that my interview with Walt Figel did not occur. He claims that Walt Figel has confirmed his entire UFO story regarding Echo Flight, and that my father has been lying about this incident for forty years. If this is true, it should be extremely easy to prove by simply calling Walt Figel, and asking him.

In fact, when I first gave details of my interview with Figel last March, Hastings stated that he could easily prove that he was correct and I was either lying or being deceptive, and that he could, and would, prove this within a matter of days. He said this in an email to the gentlemen who operate this website, Reality Uncovered, stating specifically “I will post a comprehensive rebuttal to James’ flawed claims in the next few days, providing verbatim excerpts from the conversations. I may even make key portions of the original audio tape available online.”  That was four-and-a-half months ago, and he hasn’t even provided a muted summary. Since then he has continued to insist that he would prove the errors in my assertions, saying, at one time or another that I was lying, was being deceptive, misunderstood what Figel was saying, etc., etc.

So prove it, Robert. Or are you just a lot of talk, without any evidence at all? Four-and-a-half months, Robert, and you’ve done nothing except call me names and insist that I’m a liar. If you are indeed a paragon of virtue, then prove it – if I’m lying, then certainly Walt Figel would agree with you, yes? How much time would it take to simply confirm that one part of your slanders? A couple of minutes? One telephone call? Do what you claimed you could easily do months ago – or are you just making noise and killing time so that those people who donated money for the fraudulent dog and pony show that you and Salas are organizing for the National Press Club in Washington, DC next month won’t have grounds to sue you? After all, if someone could show that you solicited donations based on assertions that you knew were false, which is pretty much what Walt Figel’s statements to me assert, then you’ve been soliciting funds on false pretenses, haven’t you? And not just you – Robert Salas, too.

To be continued…



Filed under: UFOlogy,UFOs — Tags: , , , , — RyanDube @ 2:01 pm




April 4, 2009

UFOlogy Uncovered: Handicapping the “Other Side”


UFOlogy is frequently criticized for not making new information or analysis that may cast an “unfavorable light” on a given case or cases readily available to others. In some cases it would appear opposing points of views are actively being suppressed by handicapping the “other side” in various, sometimes subtle, ways.  The following may be one example of how this is being accomplished.

On April 1st, RU received the following email from Robert Hastings…

This will be posted on UFO Chronicles on April 2nd.

RU’s contributions to the exposing of Doty and Collins are appropriately noted, as is my justifiable criticism of your group’s collective shortsightedness regarding the core UFO phenomenon.

 
Attached to this email was a copy of Robert’s new article entitled “The MJ-12 Saga Continues: Operation Bird Droppings” in Microsoft Word format.  Considering Robert had previously requested our permission to use the material and finding RU’s contributions were indeed properly cited in the form of numerous URLs linking back to the relevant content on our site, we were looking forward to commenting on it after it was published.

On April 2nd, Frank Warren published the article on his web site UFO Chronicles and we immediately noticed that all the URLs linking to RU had been replaced with indirect links going through the third-party TinyURL service.  We found this problematic for a number of reasons, some of which were expressed in this email Steve sent to Robert Hastings that same day…

Thanks for sending the draft, it makes interesting reading.

However, the links have been changed to tinyurl’s from the original full links in the draft. There is no justifiable reason for this as the urls aren’t long.  Clearly this is an attempt to use our research to further an agenda but not allow us to benefit from the cross linking. Not only is this highly unprofessional, it exposes a bias in favour of only presenting one side of the story.

I would appreciate this being changed back to how it was in the draft within the next 24 hours. In return, we will provide links back to the original article. In the interests of transparency and fairness, I expect this is not asking too much.

 
And Robert responded with this…

“Clearly” ? Not so. I am a cyber-dinosaur and rely on others, including Frank Warren at UFO Chronicles, to post my articles. If you write to him, I suspect he would comply with your request. But I can not speak for him. I have copied him on this message.

BTW, if you guys investigated some of my own research, you would be a lot closer to uncovering reality.

 
To which Steve replied…

Thanks for the copy to Frank.

Frank, I would appreciate the URL’s changing back from the tinyurl’s to the original, thank you.

As for uncovering reality… one step at a time, one step at a time :)
 

 
To which Frank Warren replied…

Gentlemen,

The links were shortened “for no other reason” then to accommodate the rather slim” main column; however, they were meant to be “full functioning” links, as presented by the author, Robert Hastings.

Quite frankly I didn’t understand the problem until rechecking the piece and seeing that they are in fact “non-functional links.” We at UFO Chronicles (unless a prearrangement has been made for editing) strive to publish articles from our contributors exactly as they were presented, or as close as possible within the constraints of the template of our site.

In any event, the issue will be remedied in short order.

 
Let’s examine this response for intellectual honesty.  After all, it’s entirely possible we were too quick to judge Frank’s intent as Robert indicated in his response…

Thanks, Frank. I knew that you would respond appropriately. Perhaps after dealing with Doty and Collins, the guys at RU aren’t used to straight-shooters and just automatically assume the worst.

 
Frank first claims the only reason the links were shortened was because they were too long but is this true?  Here an excerpt from Roberts’s original draft…

So, Mr. Doty and Mr. Collins, what kind of excrement will you two birds drop to rebut this illuminating cache of information from the Reality Uncovered folks? Go for it! I have already pulled on my Hi-Top rubber boots.  

Regardless, I think Shawnna Connolly—given her sincere quest for the facts and her obvious bravery in the face of intimidation—would make an excellent witness in a courtroom. So would Stephen Broadbent and the other researchers associated with the Reality Uncovered (realityuncovered.net) exposé on Serpo, MJ-12, and related disinformation. A fuller discussion of these topics may be found at:

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/

Aaaargh! Speaking of MJ-12, I must now return to that sordid subject yet again.

MJ-Hell: It Still Lives!

For those of you unaware of this unfortunate development, we now have new-and-improved MJ-12 “documents” to further muddy the waters. Although no involvement with them on the part of Moore, Doty and/or Collins has been proved thus far, both Doty and Collins endorse their authenticity. These bogus papers came out of the woodwork, just as the first batch did 25 years ago, with no verifiable origin—that is, having no provenance, something essential to historical research, not to mention separating fact from fiction. Despite the sometimes obvious, sometimes subtle flaws and fabrications found in the latest batch of MJ-12 papers, a few well-intentioned researchers—who should have learned their lesson the first time around—have taken the new “documents” to heart and have, of their own volition, disseminated them far and wide while vouching for, or at least implicitly endorsing, their integrity. There are several websites devoted to the supposed validity of this MJ-Crap 2.0, but I certainly won’t advertize those fetid flytraps here.

I recommend instead the Fund for UFO Research’s online heads-up about one of the “documents,” the so-called SOM 1-01 field manual, supposedly written for military personnel engaged in the recovery of crashed UFOs:

http://www.cufos.org/ros5.html

 
On Frank’s web site the link to CUFOS is retained but the link to RU is replaced by a TinyURL.  Why?

[actually ALL the links to RU have now been removed and rendered non-functional but more about that later]

At 37 characters long, the RU link is only 7 characters longer than the CUFOS link and looking at Frank’s web site, the “rather slim main column” appears to be able to accommodate at least 60 characters given the font size he chose for the body of his article.  In fact a review of Robert’s draft finds that the longest of any of the links to RU was only 55 characters so this claim appears to be dubious at best.

Furthermore, Frank then goes on to claim that he found the links were “non-functional” in the original piece but this is simply not true.  Clicking on the links in Robert’s original Word document takes you to the intended web site so this appears to be another deliberate red herring.

At any rate, Frank then ends his message with the claim that the issue will be “remedied in short order” giving us (and Robert) the impression that he would replace the TinyURLs with fully “functional” direct links to RU as requested but is that true?  I assumed Frank was acting on good faith and responded…

That Robert would be an understatement.  :)

Thank you Frank for your understanding.  Please let us know when you get the direct links restored so we can return the favor.

As an aside, I still remember stumbling on to your site years ago when you had pretty much the only detailed information on the “Battle of LA” to be found anywhere on the net.

 
To which Frank responded…

No problem! I was surprised that I missed that; I appreciate the “heads up.”

BOLA is one of my pet cases, and the research continues to this day . . . I appreciate the acknowledgment.

 
Then some time later after some discussion of the BOLA case I got this second response to my above message from Frank…

links are in place by the way . . .

 
So I went back to his site to review the changes only to find… nothing had changed.  I responded…

I’m not seeing it… even tried Ctrl-F5.

 
To which Frank, perhaps confused, replied with a link to his website related to the BOLA case and I responded…

I was talking about the links to RU in Robert’s article… it appears you haven’t corrected them yet.

 
It was late and I got no response so I went to bed only to find this message from Frank in the morning…

Mornin’ Tom,

I just checked all the links in the piece and they are “all” functional . . .

 
To which I replied before heading off to work…

No they’re not.  The use of tinyurls (indirect linking through a third party) prevents the links from being indexed by Google and other web crawlers thus preventing the sites you link to benefit from cross linking.  In addition, tinyrurl is blocked by many web filters thus preventing those behind corporate firewalls from following the links.

This is bad netiquette and improper attribution of other people’s work is considered highly unprofessional.  One might get the impression you’re unduly biased against other points of view and I would hope a serious UFOlogist like Robert would prefer not to have his work associated with such practices.  As you know, credibility in this field is tough to come by and in the court of public opinion, credibility can be irrevocably lost in an instant these days.

If the links aren’t restored by the time I get home from work this evening I will assume you’re acting on bad faith and reneging on your statement to us that you would fix the problem and I will publish an expose in my critique of Robert’s article on both RU and BAUT detailing this and the spammer like technique you use to draw attention to your website and were recently called out for on ATS…

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread449706/pg1

 
When I got home I found this response in my inbox…

I have to say Tom, your accusatory tone and your assumptions towards people you don’t know give me pause in regards to your research. I see much irony here as you use “netiquette”,  i.e., courtesy and civility re Internet protocol as an argument to get your way; however, you seem to ignore the parent values in which they were derived, that is “etiquette” civility and common courtesy to the individual.

Furthermore, threatening me as a ploy to do your bidding isn’t a prudent move on your part–“honey” trumps “vinegar” every time.  As I stated previously:

“The links were shortened “for no other reason” then to accommodate the rather slim” main column; however, they were meant to be “full functioning” links, as presented by the author, Robert Hastings.”

I’m relatively certain Robert didn’t pen the article for your benefit, and I can say emphatically,  I didn’t publish it for that purpose.

I passionately support the ethics of “giving credit where credit is due” which is one of the reasons why I don’t yank the links out all together right now! The other is the respect I have for both Robert as a friend and colleague, and the appreciation I have for his decades of research/investigation into the UFO field. 

Credibility, and or respect  for a person is earned , and is only cognizant by those who are erudite with his or her character; I have achieved both long ago, and those who know me would vouch for that, as I would them.  Moreover, my actions have never been, nor will they ever be, dictated by the thoughts of others and or their opinions.

As I don’t know you, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you wrote this missive in haste and without forethought.

My participation at ATS is to enlighten the ignorant, and provoke intelligent conversation, which is usually the end result there. What you fail to mention in association with the link provided (to the thread)  is that the critics were in the minority, and the thread was very highly rated by the merit system employed by ATS. Moreover, if you read the entire thread, you’d see that “it”, and myself,  were appropriately sanctioned by ATS CEO, Mark Springer. 

Paradoxically, that thread was instigated by “Robert’s work” in bringing two more missileers to the table to report their respective eyewitness account of UFOs at or near nuclear missile silos. Additionally, I have started a thread there for this article as well, as I often due with penscript that is unique to TUC.

Finally, I have never had any complaints, comments etc., in regards to using “Tinyurl” to shorten URLs to accommodate our site; no one has ever indicated that they could not get to a site we highlight using this tool.

We currently have readers in over 145 countries and in monitoring the traffic “for this article” and I can safely say that the numbers are significant, and I would presume, given the fact that there are links in place to your site, you are seeing some collateral traffic . . . which of course wouldn’t be the case if Robert hadn’t have penned the article in the first place, as well as by us inserting functioning links.

Had you expressed your concern with the common courtesy and decorum that you allude to “for the internet” I would have responded in kind. That said, I’m going to remove the “tinyurl link” and replace it with your web-site name.

 
It would appear Frank lied and never had any intention of honoring our request and fixing the links in the first place.  The links are all “non-functional” now.

By the way, this was Steve’s response to the above missive…

Hi Frank,

It might be easier in the case of long urls in a narrow column to shorten them as so:

<a href=”http://www.realiyuncovered.net/serpo”>Text goes here</a>

The only thing that would be displayed on your site would be:

Text goes here

Obviously, you can change the text to anything you like.

As for the problem with tinyurl’s, Google rankings and search results are determined in part by other sites cross-linking to each other. Using tinyurl circumvents this and thus the site being linked to does not receive any “credit” from Google and the like. Actually, using the correct url’s also benefits your site in the same way.

I hope that helps.

 
Was our initial skepticism justified?

You be the judge.

 

UPDATE: A copy of Robert’s article The MJ-12 Saga Continues: Operation Bird Droppings has now been posted in our forum for discussion.



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