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Postby ryguy » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:08 pm

In case folks are not seeing the direct analogy to scientific knowledge, let me spell it out:

Angels = Dark Energy (anti-gravitating..the largest form of energy in the universe).
Jinn = Dark Matter (gravitating, but invisible. Like man, but not OF man).
Adam = Baryonic Matter (visible, objectified, "clay"...gravitating).

Interesting, no?

I really enjoyed your post above Ray - VERY interesting!

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Postby ScaRZ » Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:44 pm

Hey Ray,I really enjoyed your post on DM and DE. You made it easy to follow the way you broke things down and compared it to the Angels,Jinn and Man.
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Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:49 pm

Thank you, gents... and just witness the power of networking. It was the sharing by ScaRZ that ingnited my thoughts and brought to me that "a ha" moment.

This also strongly reinforces my belief that ALL spiritual traditions on our mortal coil hold value, as all of them appear to have handed down elements of scientific explanations of reality in the stories and myths upon which they are based. This is part of the reason that I parted ways with the Catholic Church (at least the institution, while I still abide by the core message of Christ and other teachers)... because I am not one who buys into the whole "this is the only TRUE religion with the CORRECT path to God."

I think now, more than ever, it seems plainly evident to me that the reconciliation of science with spirituality holds many great promises for our future, and perhaps therein are some of the solutions to the problems that have plagued mankind for many ages. Anyone who claims one of these two domains is the "proper way" while excluding the other is, IMO, just another extremist. Centrism and balance is how the universe works, and so it is representative of how I believe we have to forge forward...

Thanks again for the kind words, and keep the posts coming ScaRZ!

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Postby ScaRZ » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:55 am

An Occult Translation of the Roswell Event:
Count down to 2012
By David E. Flynn
May 20th 2005

"Mysteries are due to secrecy." Francis Bacon

No UFO conversation goes very long without mention of the Roswell event. It is the pre-eminent story of extraterrestrial folklore. Paradoxically, some say that what occurred near Roswell NM in July 1947 will never be entirely known. Others, like our own government, claim it was a simple case of misidentification... no mystery. But there is a mystery...and there is good reason to believe the truth was covered up.

On July 8th 1947 the headlines of Roswell Daily Record reported:

RAAF Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch in Roswell Region. The intelligence office of the 509th Bombardment group at Roswell Army Field announced at noon today, that the field has come into possession of a flying saucer.

The next day the Roswell headlines featured a retraction by the RAAF:

An examination by the army revealed last night that mysterious objects found on a lonely New Mexico ranch was a harmless high-altitude weather balloon - not a grounded flying disk.

The contrast between these Army statements aroused suspicion immediately. How could Army "intelligence" confuse a balloon with a flying saucer? Witnesses in Roswell had actually observed the disc flying overhead. Their story was featured with the Army's "Flying saucer" announcement in the July 8th, Roswell Daily Record:

Mr. and Mrs. Dan Wilmot...were sitting on their porch at 105 South Penn. last Wednesday night at about ten o'clock when a large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed...The object came into view from the southeast and disappeared over the treetops in the general vicinity of six mile hill... It was in sight less then a minute, perhaps 40 or 50 seconds. Wilmot said that it appeared to him to be about 1,500 feet high and going fast. He estimated between 400 and 500 miles per hour...In appearance it looked oval in shape like two inverted saucers, faced mouth to mouth, or like two old type washbowls placed, together in same fashion....

Balloons don't normally glow or travel 400 miles per hour. Despite the evidence supporting the Army's 1st announcement, the Roswell incident was effectively removed from public scrutiny ...for thirty seven years.
In 1984, James Shandera, a Hollywood movie producer investigating the UFO phenomena received an anonymously mailed package of 35 mm film. It contained images of a top secret Government report, later named "the Majestic twelve documents". The report had been compiled for review by president Dwight D. Eisenhower. It was marked:

"This is a TOP SECRET- EYES ONLY document containing compartmentalized information essential to the national security of the United States"

In the document was a list of 12 American scientists, intelligence officials and military leaders appointed to assess the remains of an extraterrestrial craft and alien bodies recovered from Roswell NM in 1947. One year later, an anonymous tip arrived in the mail addressed to the research associate working with Shandera named Bill Moore. This tip directed Moore to a memo confirming the existence of the MJ-12 documents at the National Archives. This new information and other evidence that built a case for authenticity of the MJ-12 documents was pieced together by Moore and his associate Stanton Friedman. During the course of their research, Friedman and Moore began to realize that authentication of the MJ-12 documents would be extremely difficult. The investigators even considered the anonymous release of information could be a process of misdirection. Because the origin of the documents was unknown, no one could be sure that they hadn't originated from a disinformation faction within the government itself. The entire process may have been designed to fail. The release of conflicting or inaccurate information of UFO events by secret factions in government is a well known hazard of ufology research. This disinformation technique is used to establish government plausible deniability. But if the release of the MJ-12 documents wasn't just a convoluted process of disinformation, what other purpose could disclosure of the Roswell event serve?

The Majestic twelve documents were made public in 1987. Soon the Roswell incident became the most famous UFO incident in history. Roswell raised the possibility that intelligent extraterrestrial life could exist. The anonymous "assistance" given to the investigators of the Roswell event, or the manner in which any UFO information is dispensed by our government appears more a program of cultural conditioning than simple fact hiding. If this is true, for what purpose are we being conditioned?

In 1928 the occult visionary Manly P. Hall wrote:

"Not only were many of the founders of the United States government Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe which helped them to establish this country for A PECULIAR AND PARTICULAR PURPOSE known only to the initiated few." Manly P.Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, pp. XC and XCI

"There exists in the world today, and has existed for thousands of years, a body of enlightened humans united in what might be termed, an Order of the Quest. It is composed of those whose intellectual and spiritual perceptions have revealed to them that civilization has secret destiny…

"European mysticism was not dead at the time the United States of America was founded. The hand of the mysteries controlled in the establishment of the new government for the signature of the mysteries may still be seen on the Great Seal of the United States of America. Careful analysis of the seal discloses a mass of occult and Masonic symbols chief among them, the so-called American eagle. ... The American eagle upon the Great Seal is but a conventionalized phoenix..." 'Manly P. Hall, The Secret Destiny of America

Phoenix, the last word of Hall's statement of the founding of America, is key to the "secret destiny" of civilization. It explains the occult design behind the formation of the United States and the events at Roswell. These mysteries can be solved if we understand this one word.

The word "Phoenix" is derivative of the Greek name for "Phoenicians", ancient people that inhabited the East coast of the Mediterranean Sea. Though called "Phoenicians" meaning redness by the Greeks, the Phoenicians referred to themselves as Sidonians. Their capital city named after Sidon, the first born son of Canaan, son of Ham. Ham was one of the original occupants of Noah’s Ark and Noah’s youngest son. The Sidonians were considered masters of science and magic. They claimed to possess a civilization existing for 30,000 years. Ancient historians venerated the Sidonians:

Sidonian navigators were especially sought by the Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians & Greeks.
The Greek alphabet was transferred directly from the Phoenician / Sidonian script and applied to the sounds of the language of the Greeks, hence the meaning of the word "phonetic".
The modern English alphabet is based on the ancient Phoenician / Sidonian script.
The majority of knowledge ascribed through the ages to the Greeks was given to them first by the Sidonians.
Pythagoras, considered the ancient father of Free Masonry was schooled in Sidonia.
The first phonetic text in existence, the Old Testament, was written in Phoenician characters.
The first temple of the Hebrews was built in Jerusalem by artisans from Tyre, a city that traded Phoenician capital status with Sidon.

The preeminence of the Phoenician / Sidonian knowledge in ancient civilization is a long guarded occult secret.

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Postby ScaRZ » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:56 am

But more important than the scientific influence of Sidonia, the symbolic meaning of Manly Hall's Phoenix represents an age when mankind and extraterrestrials were believed to have lived on earth side by side. Phoenicia was the land of descent of the "Sons of God" described in Genesis 6. According to the history of every ancient culture in the Middle East, Phoenicia was the first place where beings from heaven came to the earth. The union of these beings with the daughters of Adam produced hybrid offspring, Nephilim (literally in Hebrew, the fallen ones). According to the pseudepigraphic book of Enoch, the book of Jubilees and many other ancient texts, the exact point of descent of the Sons of God was Mt. Hermon in Phoenicia. Through the influence of these heavenly beings and their offspring, men became gifted with knowledge surpassing any that had yet existed. But then came the flood...and symbolically the Phoenix perished. The heavenly and supernatural bird, keeper of secrets of the past and future was consumed in the fire of its own making.

In other words, the knowledge given to man from heaven was lost in a global cataclysm. According to Genesis 6, the destruction of earth by the flood was in response to the interaction of the Sons of God with the daughters of Adam.

Ancient and modern occult adepts describe the beauty of Phoenix, dazzling and brilliantly colored. It was a perfect symbol for heavenly knowledge manifested on the earth. They believed the power of the Phoenix came from heaven. Its death on earth would only be temporary. The life of the Phoenix could not be extinguished any more than the heavens or knowledge could cease to exist. The Phoenix waited to be born again out of the ashes of its demise.

The symbolic rebirth of the Phoenix did take place in the time after the flood. Nephilim that survived the cataclysm, returned to their point of origin in Phoenicia, as recorded in the Old Testament. Canaan, the son of Ham, the cursed son of Noah, once again established civilization amidst the beings that had caused the destruction of the world.

The Nephilim were more powerful and intelligent than men, but they were earth bound like men. The connection they once had to their heavenly progenitors had been cut. Together with humanity they beckoned the Sons of God to descend as they had before the flood. They built a tower reaching into the heavens. Because of this attempt, it is recorded that the world lost what was left of divine knowledge, through its dispersion throughout the earth.

Manly P. Hall refers to this history when writing of the coming world order and the rise of the Phoenix. His understanding of the Phoenix is shared by illumined fraternal orders that have preserved the scattered "sacred" knowledge of the ancients. They anticipate the rise of the Phoenix from the ashes of history. They wait for an age when knowledge will once again descend from heaven. This secret has been hidden in their symbolism and numerology throughout history.

"In Freemasonry is embedded the core or the secret heart of the occult mysteries, wrapped up on number, metaphor and symbol ..." The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, Benjamin Creme p. 87

"Numbers are a key to the ancient views of cosmogony ... spiritually as well as physically ... to the evolution of the present human race; all systems of religious mysticism are based upon numerals. The sacredness of numbers ..." The Occult Power of Numbers, W. Wynn Westcott , p. 15 Spiritual Numerology, '33' symbolizes the highest spiritual conscious attainable by the human being." The Secret of the Illuminati, Elizabeth van Buren, p. 161-2

33 and 3 are all featured prominently in occult doctrine. The great significance of the number 33 cannot be fully understood unless it is combined with the most important science of Free Masonry, navigation. The compass and square, the most visible symbols of Masonry are also the basic tools of navigation and map making.

Calculation of speed and location under the heavens is considered to be the highest form of sacred knowledge from antiquity. Navigation unites time with space and the heavens with the earth. The number "3" is essential to this process. Without the geometry of the 3 sided triangle, establishing location and distance on a map or "triangulation" is impossible. Navigation not only predicts the destination of a traveler on the earth but also the time the traveler will arrive. The most powerful secret held by the occult elite is related to this concept taken to a higher level.

As the navigator can use increments of the earth's latitude and longitude to determine location in space and time, these increments can be measured in the earth itself to reveal the appointed time of humanity's destiny.

This is why the number 33 and the compass and square are such important symbols of the illumined elite.

33.33 degrees of the great circle of the earth represents 2012 nautical miles.

Mount Hermon in Phoenicia, the first location of extraterrestrial influence with man, lies precisely at 33.33° north 33.33° east ... 2,012 miles from the equator and 2,012 miles from the prime meridian.*

To be completely accurate, the number of nautical miles in 33.33 degrees of the earth is 2012 ".9" This corresponds to the year and date that the ancient Mayans of middle America believed their calendar will end, December 21st, 2012. This is also the year their serpent god and founder of civilization, Quetzalcoatl, will return from heaven.

Does the chosen location of the first connection of heaven with the earth on Mt. Hermon at 33.3rd degrees set in time the final phase of a new world order in 2012? In light of the ancient history of Mt. Hermon, is it possible that the year 2012 might also represent this scenario? But how is the year 2012 anchored in time? Dates and years were commonly measured from the start of the reign of a king or at the founding of a new city in antiquity. Our modern calendar is aligned to the birth of the Messiah of Israel, Jesus Christ, though even this "anchor point" is not fixed absolutely. There is a debate concerning when exactly Jesus was born. Various researchers have placed the time of Christ's birth at 11 BC, 3 BC, and 1 AD. Additionally, our modern calendar was based on earlier versions that were adjusted several times forward or back a number of years by Roman Emperors and Popes. There has already been a 2012 BC in our calendar, though it was not a remarkable year with respect to knowledge.

Finding a relationship between 2012 AD and the present age may be the critical way to resolve this question. It makes more sense to qualify this future date with references left from the previous encounters of extraterrestrials with humanity. If the sons of God descended to Mt. Hermon with the intention of connecting 33.33 with 2012 navigationally, might they also have placed an additional marker coordinating the year 2012 with their return?

It appears they did. This is very probably the meaning of the Roswell event. It is a marker consisting of ancient, sacred numbers.

The impact area near Roswell lays 33° north latitude, at a distance 2,012 miles from the equator.

When the latitude of the impact site 33° north, is multiplied by the universal mathematical constant PI, (3.1415926572...) the result is 104°, the longitude of the impact site. The value of PI is one of the most important numbers of geometry. Without an understanding of this number, the science of building, architecture and navigation is not possible. Historians actually base one of the classifications of a true civilization on its achievement of PI.

At Roswell, if PI is multiplied by the latitudes from 33.00 to 33.59, a line with the resultant longitude can be traced showing the precise flight path the disc traveled before impact. This line of coordinates lies south east to North West, exactly in the direction the craft appeared to follow according to eye witnesses recorded in the Roswell Daily Record, July 8th, 1947:

"... (the) large glowing object zoomed out of the sky from the southeast, going in a northwesterly direction at a high rate of speed...The object came into view from the southeast..."

The only place on earth where 33° latitude and 104° longitude exist without lying in an ocean, as it does south of the equator, or an uninhabited mountain plateau as it does in the eastern a few miles north west of Roswell, New Mexico, USA. The sacred number 33 multiplied by PI, just happens to produce the location where a flying saucer crashed landed in 1947.

Scientists at the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) know that a radio message from intelligent life out in space would have to use redundant universal mathematical constants. Universal constants are not dependent on calibration systems, but ratios. They function with every counting system that exists. Any signal coming from space that has these numbers stands out against the randomness in the background of space noise. Such a signal would define itself as intelligent and deliberate. Such is the case with the location of the Roswell incident. The odds against a crash location occurring "by chance" precisely at the coordinates that are the product of PI x 33 are astronomical... on the order of millions to one. The location was chosen therefore to show a deliberate and intelligent message.

In other words...the Roswell event was not an accident.

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Postby ScaRZ » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:57 am

This is a profound contradiction to its initial appearance. The crash and destruction of the sophisticated flying vehicle with occupants, according to reports, seemed an unplanned disaster. It is exactly because of this appearance that researchers speculated that American radar, used in missile tracking experiments at white Sands testing grounds near Roswell, some how brought the extraterrestrial vehicle down. However, if the message at Roswell is more than a strange mathematical coincidence, this would also suggest that the crash was staged and the vehicle's occupants sacrificed. By appearing as an accident, the last thing one would look for is a message deposited in the crash location itself.

But there is more to the message than the display of "Pl". The Roswell event also incorporates numbers of the earth's dimensions and orientation in space. These numbers interact with each other in patterns similar to those known to exist in occult ritual magic. Though the value of a number may change with placement of the decimal point, the magical form of the number remains the same. Numbers that display these characteristics are commonly seen in the practice of "theurgy"** or numerology. This is especially notable in the way the message displays the number 19.47. 1947 was the year the Roswell event occurred.

19.47° or "19.5" is a universal number signifying the meeting of a tetrahedron with a sphere. 19.47° is the latitude where 3 points of the 4 sided tetrahedron touch north or south the equator if the 4th point is anchored at the pole of a rotating sphere. If the number 19.47 was discovered in an extraterrestrial radio signal, SETI scientists would have proof that the broadcasters understood advanced Platonic geometry. The Roswell message numerologically interconnects 19.47 with the date, latitude, longitude and distance from the equator of the impact event itself.

The earth is 21,600 nautical miles around. This measurement is based on the ratio of 360 x 60 first used by the Phoenicians and still in use by modern ocean and flight navigators.

The number 6,480 is exactly 1/4th of the total 25,920 years it takes earth to complete one circuit through the signs of the zodiac. 6,480 years is unique because it marks the duration between a series of global cataclysms left in earth's historic and geologic record.

At Roswell, 19.47 appears in relationship between 21,600, 6,480 and 33.33

When the earth's circumference, 21,600 is divided by 33.33 the number 6,480 appears in a variation:

21,600 / 33.33 = 648.06480648064...

648.06480648064..divided by 19.47, the number suggested by the year of the Roswell crash itself (1947)...produces a modification of 33.33:

648.064806480 / 19.47 = 33.28

...Latitude 33.28°

This latitude, 33.28° multiplied by PI (3.141592653589...) results in a longitude 104.56° ... pinpointing the exact coordinates of the disc impact site near Roswell NM.

Additionally the number 2012 can be calculated with a form of the number of the exact Roswell crash site latitude, 33.28° and the year of the Roswell event itself, 1947:

19.47 x 3.328 = 64.80

Between July 1947 and March 2012 there are 64.80 years.

It is significant that the United States recovered the debris and "alien" bodies of the Roswell crash on the 4th of July 1947. America itself was founded on the same date in 1776. This year was chosen by the occult elite behind the formation of America for a special reason.

888 is the sum of the letters in Greek of the name Jesus (each Greek letter represents a number). A second "messiah" (888) plus the first messiah (888) = 1776.

America's founding date, 1776 is a number representing a 2nd messiah or the "king" of the World Order. It symbolizes the advent of a god man on earth.

According to the illuminated elite, as the first messiah came to establish the Kingdom of Heaven, the second illuminated messiah will establish a New World under his rule. Concerning this messiah, Manly P. Hall, wrote:

"The outcome of the 'secret destiny' is a World Order ruled by a King with supernatural powers. This King was descended of a divine race; that is, he belonged to the Order of the Illumined for those who come to a state of wisdom then belong to a family of heroes-perfected human beings..." The Secret Destiny of America., p. 26.

The average number of days in a year for a century is 364.864 (this is slightly less than 365 because it includes leap years that have an extra day) This number can be found by dividing the quarter of precession 6,480 with the founding year of America 1776 by moving the decimal point two spaces to the left.

6,480 / 17.76 = 364.864648

1776 is therefore related to the latitude and year of the Roswell event:

364.864648 x 1776 = 648,000 / 33.28 (Roswell event latitude) = 19,470

The Roswell event longitude is also related to America's birth year 1776:

1776 / 17.076 = 104.0056, (the exact longitude of Roswell crash site is 104.56)

America has existed from the beginning as an intellectual beacon in the world. It was the first country to achieve super power status, moving mankind into the space age and nuclear age. It continues to shape the political and economic climate for a future ruled by one heavenly power. It is the country where the year 2012 appears to have been supernaturally communicated to humanity by the Roswell event.

Having taken the appearance of an accident, the Roswell event limited the directions an investigation would take. Working from the paradigm of an accident, researchers who might otherwise have suspected its mathematical message were diverted. This mental conditioning worked very well. The messengers seem to have been masters of the human psyche. They did not want the Roswell event's true nature known in 1947. It was designed to be understood in the future.

The identity of the messengers was also obscured. Some had concluded that genuine, "Hollywood type" extraterrestrials crashed near Roswell in 1947. This idea doesn't fit so easily in light of the numbers on the ground. A true extraterrestrial would understand universal math... but not necessarily numbers distinct in human culture and religion. The Roswell math bears uncanny similarity to ancient human systems of occult numerology.

The word "messenger" is exactly what the ancients named the heavenly beings. They knew their nature, having lived with them in Phoenicia. The modern illumined shares this understanding. In the ancient Hebrew, the word from messenger is "malach"; the ancient Greek word is "angelos". According to the science of Angelology, the angelic mind grasps every mathematical and scientific concept in the universe. It is not outside the Angelic repertoire to take concern with mankind or to interact with it. They also know man's religious numbers and Phoenicia, they were the teachers of these concepts. They were the sons' of God that descended to Mt. Hermon.

But the messengers of Mt. Hermon were not morally aligned with the God of the Bible. On the contrary, they were aligned with the god that "illuminates" the mind of man. Concerning this god, Albert Pike, the 33° Mason, wrote in his Masonic guide, "Morals and Dogma":

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321:

The origin for Lucifer's name is found in the book of the prophet Isaiah. This text also explains that Lucifer is an angel. As an angel, his job is clear:

Angels leave messages, (angelicon).

The Roswell event was a message ...left at 33 °

One third of anything is 33 percent. 1/3rd of 100% is 33.333333...There is an ancient text that reveals the connection between the messengers and number 33:

And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon...And his tail drew 1/3rd part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth...And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels... And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:3-9

In this text the number 33 or 1/3rd is explained as the actual percentage of rebellious angels that will be cast to the earth. Satan is also clearly associated with this same number.

We know that 33 degrees of earth’s circumference is 2012 miles and that 33 is a prominent number in the Roswell message. 33 is also prominently featured in the location of the first descent of angelic forces to Mt. Hermon. Might this numeric connection indicate a similar type event occurring in the year 2012?

It shall come to pass in that day the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth. They will be gathered together, As prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished. Isaiah 24:21,22 NKJV

According to Isaiah 24 and Revelation 12, Lucifer and his angels are bound by the same destiny. They will be cast to the earth. Because they undoubtedly anticipate this event, this unseen group of heavenly beings must be preparing themselves for an inevitable change of estate. It also makes sense that they would condition mankind to accept them as gods when they return.

It has happened before.

In fact, Jesus himself compared his second coming with the situation before the flood. Genesis 6 is the blueprint for the future.

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luke 21:25, 26

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Matthew 24:37-39

According to Christian eschatology, the return of Jesus as king of the earth follows the appearance of his counterfeit. This false king will control humanity empowered by the same angelic rebels that ruled the earth before Noah entered the Ark. This concept has been around for a long time. It isn’t so extraordinary that Roswell repeats it. The troubling aspect of the Roswell message is that it seems to predict that these events will occur, or begin to occur in 2012.

Christian eschatology can accommodate the existence of the Roswell message. It can accept its angelic origin for the message and even its symbolism. But so far there has been little room in eschatology for the setting of dates or years for prophecy fulfillment. There is only one true way of knowing the future, apart from trusting God’s words to mankind…

One has to wait.

According to the message at Roswell, we have only to wait a few years. ... ument.html
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Postby Access Denied » Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:34 am

ScaRZ wrote:According to the message at Roswell, we have only to wait a few years.

Now hold on a minute, Roswell was a non event. :)

Hey ScaRZ, I thought you might find this interesting. On a whim I entered "flying saucer" (without quotes) into Google and to my surprise this page popped up as the number two hit... (how'd they manage that?)

"Deception, that's the key. The key to the mystery of flying saucers. The key to what's happening now and what will happen in the future. The threat of invasion is upon us, yet the results are known.

They are found in..."

The Great Flying Saucer Myth ... /tgfsm.htm

It seems similar to some of the stuff you've been posting (but more mainstream?) and I was wondering what you thought about it. Apparently more people equate UFOs with demons than I would have guessed.
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Postby ryguy » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:56 pm

Access Denied wrote:It seems similar to some of the stuff you've been posting (but more mainstream?) and I was wondering what you thought about it. Apparently more people equate UFOs with demons than I would have guessed.

That's true - more and more people, I think, are coming closer to the conclusion that the reason the phenomenon has produced no solid, unquestionable material evidence - yet appears to exist as a very real event to many seemingly sincere witnesses - is because the phenomenon is more of a spiritual one than a material one.

And if that's the case, then the real "meat" of the UFO phenomenon isn't so much "how do they fly those things?"...but who and what are they, and what are their true intentions? That theory is also supported by the fact that so many researchers who end up staying in the field of ufology long enough, very often find themselves researching other phenomenon such as psychic phenomenon and hauntings. The reason for that is that so many aspects are intertwined... The simplest example is glowing orbs. People see glowing orbs in the sky - they call it a UFO. People see glowing orbs inside their home, they call it a ghost or spirit. I think more and more paranormal researchers are finding a great number of such similarities throughout the field...

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Postby ScaRZ » Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:28 pm

Access Denied wrote:It seems similar to some of the stuff you've been posting (but more mainstream?) and I was wondering what you thought about it. Apparently more people equate UFOs with demons than I would have guessed.

I've been into this for many years now. I've looked at it from different points of view and I believe the connection of Angels and evil spirits ring the loudest. I think most people are going to be deceived into believing the disguise they are wearing. It's all part of a much bigger plan in using Ufology as a base for conditioning mankind into accepting a deception.
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Postby ScaRZ » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:24 pm

Demons and Aliens

The implications are staggering when one considers the impact and subsequent commercialisation of the alien abduction phenomenon, and how it has challenged and reshaped the belief systems and psyches of millions upon millions of the planet's inhabitants, in essence creating a new paradigm that prior to thirty years ago was virtually non-existent.
- Adam Gorightly14

We can see from the available evidence that the so-called alien abduction phenomenon is of a paranormal nature. History is replete with stories of similar encounters with strange beings. Of particular note are reports, mainly from the so-called medieval period, of women claiming to be attacked at night by demons. Taking the outward form of demons, these 'incubus' (male demons) and 'succubi' (female demons) would paralyse their victims and engage in sexual intercourse.

Are these demons still at work today? It has been suggested in our time these same beings take on the form of aliens, stealing cover images from the depths of humanity's collective unconsciousness. The image of the grey alien entered the popular mind during the 1980s. In 1987, Whitley Strieber's Communion quickly rose to occupy the number one position on the New York Times best-seller list. The front cover displays an image of one of the grey aliens behind his abductions. Since the late 1970s, numerous movies and books spawned a renewed interest in UFOs and aliens. And during this same time and continuing today, thousands of people reported abductions - the culprits mostly grey aliens - who nearly always were interested in genitalia and sexual fluids.

Respected writer and long time researcher on forteana, John Keel, says:

The demonologists have been studying the same thing as the UFOlogists. Demonomania (possession of a human mind or body by an outside force) produces classic patterns and symptoms well known to psychiatry. These patterns appear in many cases of UFO contact but have gone unrecognised. When a psychic or medium experiences these symptoms they say they are 'over-shadowed'. All these diversified groups are victims of the same phenomena, but they all see it from a different frame of reference and accept different explanations for it.15

Why did the demons possess men and women and force sexual intercourse? By inducing sexual excitement and even orgasm in the victim, the demon was able to feed off the abundant psychic and astral energy. This might have energised the demon to travel around on the astral planes and hold power over other entities.

According to one Jewish legend,16 very widespread in the Middle Ages, Lilith - created by God from filth before Eve was made - was Adam's first wife and she bore him demonic children. After she rebelled against Adam's husbandly rule - her great sin, as far as Adam was concerned, being that she wanted to be on top of him during copulation - she flew away to the shores of the Red Sea where, as a result of her sexual encounters with lustful devils, gave birth to over a hundred demons, the liliot or liliam. Significantly, the word denoting Lilith is translated in St. Jerome's Latin version of scriptures as lamia. In the folklore of the classical world, the lamia was a sexual vampire, not only draining men of their blood, but also depleting them of energy, particularly sexual energy. There are too many other cases to mention here of demonic interference with men and women throughout recorded history.

The legendary and infamous black magician Aleister Crowley (1875-1947) in 1919 contacted (or was contacted by) an 'extraterrestrial intelligence' called Lam. A portrait of Lam done by Crowley looks remarkably like a grey alien. Kenneth Grant, who continued the work of Crowley, claims to have maintained communication with Lam and what he calls Trans-Plutonian entities. Both men recognised the existence of terrifyingly powerful multidimensional entities, and referred to them as the 'Great Old Ones'.

Anthony Roberts and Geoff Gilbertson, in their book The Dark Gods, write:

If these terrible forces spring from what might be described as a slip of God's pen, then there is no reason why they should not be as all-pervading as the maker's whole creational environment... The Dark Gods are strictly dealers in death (or energy loss) and they are known (among humanity) by many graphically descriptive terms: 'the hungry ones', 'the eaters of souls', 'the psychic vampires', 'the demons of night', etc... These demonic entities are takers not givers, and their main aim is to devour anything or everything they can suck into their black energy vortexes.17

Heaven & Sheol

Author Dr. Greg Little advanced a comprehensive theory to explain various paranormal phenomena including UFOs and alien abductions. He hypothesises the electromagnetic energy spectrum is a source of intelligent life forms that populate it at various levels. Heaven lies on the far right of the spectrum extending above cosmic rays, while Sheol or Hell, represents the opposite end of the EM spectrum where movement and energy vibration cease.

About 2000 years ago, God sent his "son" here from heaven to show humankind a way to escape Sheol by living their lives in an appropriate fashion and choosing a way to directly ascend back into heaven. One had to seek the "light" of God and reject the "darkness" of Sheol by attuning oneself with the heavenly end of the EM spectrum.

Over the eons, humans have viewed and interacted with various angel forms that are ever-present on the face of the earth. Biblical references repeatedly tell of ways in which the spirits and angels could be "tested". Testing means being able to discern which "side" of the EM spectrum the angels represent. UFO abductions and the sexual encounters, as we know of them now, are clearly manipulative and direct efforts by the Sheol watchers to create a grand illusion and fear among humans. A frightening aspect of this sexual aspect of UFO abductions is that they do it mainly because they like it. They want us to worship them which, according to tradition, was why they were cast out of heaven to begin with.18

Dr. Little explains that these malevolent intelligences "have adjusted their appearance to the pervading culture that they manifest themselves to. Modern forms are seen as solid craft carrying extraterrestrials here for genetic breeding experiments." The intelligence underlying this aspect of their manifestation "wants us to believe that they are highly advanced extraterrestrials. They are concealing their nature and the extent to which they influence events and individuals' lives on earth."
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Postby ryguy » Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:04 pm

ScaRZ wrote:The implications are staggering when one considers the impact and subsequent commercialisation of the alien abduction phenomenon, and how it has challenged and reshaped the belief systems and psyches of millions upon millions of the planet's inhabitants, in essence creating a new paradigm that prior to thirty years ago was virtually non-existent.
- Adam Gorightly14

One interesting question is whether the commercialisation of both the abduction phenomenon and ufo/alien phenomenon overall is part of an effort to distribute a larger belief system of some subculture - or if it's just good ol' plain fraud?

P.S. Scarz - this thread has attracted a great deal of views!! Thanks for the posts...

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Postby ScaRZ » Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:39 pm

Sue Bradley
October, 2007

"Given what is happening in Babylon [Iraq] and biotechnology today, we may be witnessing the fulfillment of Bible prophecy." Tom Horn

"Mankind’s worst nightmare, the sum of all terrors, is becoming reality." Steve Quayle

"And He will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the veil that is spread over all nations." Isaiah 25:7

In a farewell speech to the nation in January, 1961, President D D Eisenhower forwarded a charge to the nation, "In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

President Eisenhower’s charge was given to a nation that in the span of two generations had, for the first time in recorded history, ascended to an unprecedented technological and scientific pinnacle.

The distancing of time will likely record that this same nation would succumb to the most exquisitely conceived and precisely executed deception in the history of the universe: and it was accomplished with complete foreknowledge and remarkable arrogance.

The culture readers appear to have the script and reason would identify the author, so then, the larger question is, "Who else can read it?"

Apparently, many. While much of western civilization suffers from acute spiritual illiteracy, others are actively employing dark sentences from ancient scripts and engaging in ceremonial communion with ancient entities, "Watchers."

In a remarkably comprehensive abstract written for the Koinonia Institute in C’oeur d’Alene, Idaho, microbiologist Wendy Whipple writes,

"The story of man’s recorded history begins about 2700 BC, written on clay tablets in the language of ancient Sumeria known as cuneiform. (Norton Anthology of World Literature) What is recorded of the time before-- the shadowy period of man’s beginnings—is labeled mythology

All peoples have mythological legends, addressing the desire to know, as genetic anthropologist Spencer Wells put it, " Why do we look so different from each other, and how did we come to inhabit such far-flung places?"

Most cultures have filled in the blanks with creation myths. Egyptian myth speaks of the sun God Ra, who filled the seas with his saliva; Nigerian myth relates the tale of a god who lets himself down on a chain and with the help of a hen, creates dry land, vegetation, and other animals (although in some accounts the god is too drunk to fulfill this duty so another god is sent instead). Chinese myth tells of a giant egg that released a god (Pan Ku) whose hair became trees, sweat became rivers, and lice became human beings; and Native American myth speaks of the world being created by a frog bringing mud (in his mouth) to the back of a tortoise.

"Inexplicably, the "creation myth" most vilified in our day, though it contains a remarkably scientific version of early events, is the one contained in the Hebrew Scriptures. It has not always been so. For most of the past two thousand years both popular culture and science alike had believed bolstered by Aristotle’s conviction that the species were fixed, as well as a traditional Christian understanding of Genesis that God created life."

"…these indigenous "first people " cultures is that they share a "quite characteristic form of religion" not found in their surrounding cultures, which have decayed into idolatry or animistic practices. They believe in a sky god, who alone rules the heavens. The later cultures, as related by Paul in Romans 1:18-28, had degenerated to polytheism, idolatry, animism, and fetishism. Among the primitive hunter-gatherer tribes…"

"[In] June 5-7, 2007 with dates intentionally commemorating the 40-year anniversary of the reunification of Jerusalem marking a rather astounding event in world history. …this event "3000 years in the making," is also meant to honor the 4-year reign of King David by gathering in Jerusalem all of his descendants.

Though 3000 years have passed since David held the throne of Eretz Israel, Jews have revered him as the given progenitor of the coming Messiah and retained family traditions of an ancestry from David or one of his sons. The project provides detailed genealogical charts representing what is known about David’s progeny before dispersal."

The potential of a sinister result may be driven by an unseen agenda driven by the acquisition of power and obsessed with worship, a venomous seed sown in darkness has been transfused through the pulse of history on sacrificial altars, in ritualistic circles and dark covens. Civilization has come full circle of Ezekiel’s whirling mazzaroth, returning back to ancient Babylon, to rebellion and to violence, "as it was in the days of Noah," filled with "chamas," violence.

Are these ancient war gods separated by time, geography, language, and culture mustering as a result of hedonistic arrogance or is the enormity of the coming ritual so shockingly consuming, so anticipated and so cataclysmic that the anticipation exceeds the achievement?

Pastor Russ Diznar gives insight, "Iraq is a hot bed of old, very powerful demonic, territorial and nephilim presence. The battle, chaos and terror inside Iraq is a deep spiritual one. The ground was claimed long ago by the dark ones.

"When satan was thrown out, where did he land? Some feel it was in that area. That area is a seat [and] throne of dark, manifest presence."

A curious piece of text from the 5th century BC permits focus:

I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many peoples
The king of this expansive land, the son of

Wishtasp Achamenia
Persian, the son of a Persian, 'Aryan', from the Aryan race

Dariush's scripture in Naqshe-e-Rostam

Is it possible that the root of current conflict is so obvious? Two cultures at the apex of technological sophistication resolute and sharing a parallel bridge, side by side.

Elegant in simplicity. Ancient and modern.

Whippel continues, "…proceeding at a furious pace through genetic genealogy services such as FamilyTree DNA, government sponsored ethnography research and national geographic ethnography projects, and family- driven research projects like The David Dynasty reunion, is that the antichrist will be someone who emerges with the messianic marker, and presents it (falsely) as proof of his right to claim David’s throne.

As unlikely as this may now seem, the credibility of this scenario increases day by day.

Genetic claims to the throne would have been impossible just ten years ago, and a geopolitical situation that could fuel widespread acceptance of such a candidate would have seemed equally unlikely. Today, it would seem any individual that could achieve peace Israel between and the Moslem nations would be a global hero, and if that individual could prove Jewish ancestry, it is conceivable that the nation of Israel, with a high percentage of secular Jews anyway, could embrace him as the Messiah of promise."

Given the modern climate of technical frenzy, there is a potential for misuse…as well as "dis-use." Will programs such as this actually "create" such a being? Or could legions of spawn of this dark Mesopotamian presence be coalesced for the final chaotic coup before their prophesied woeful demise.

These seeds, these bloodlines, these dark forces have been planted with supernatural watchfulness and secreted through generational conduits, preserved, mutated, modified. Isaiah’s veiled nations are about to reveal what may be history’s most diabolical and catastrophic coverup: Lebensborn.

A twentieth century horror story and described as a "child welfare program," the "Fount of Life" was initiated by Heimlich Himmler to develop and maintain the 1,000 year reign of the master race. The children committed to Lebensborn are now entering their sixties, and they stand as a living evidence that dark forces are very real, and worse, very current.

Bred to breed with selected pedigrees this, generation represented the "first generation" of a "new generation," the "glory" of the Forth Reich. But the altar of science has found a comfortable and protected harbor in the towers of clinical test tubes. "What if" an alternate agenda has been hidden and "what if" this "manifesto" never ended and has been continued?

Historically, scientific acumen has been introduced by an "enlightened" few often with radical and ‘progressive’ perceptivity, and "invisible college." This thought is then developed, disbursed and assimilated by the masses. And then repeated in a subtle, cloaked and patient increments. Knowledge, "gnosis," has unquestionably been used for good, but history is replete with evidence of its use for evil.

A tree in a garden. The knowledge of good and evil, introduced and presented as "enhancing," was invited by man, accepted by man: then the poisonous, venomous fruit was unleashed.

Brave watchmen are warning: "Genesis 6 reveals that the judgment of the flood was not just human corruption but included human transmutation of the most perverse kind. The creatures were the incarnation of human demon spawn that led the way for the annihilation of real humanity....... .and thus sought to remove the doorway for the incarnation of the coming of the Redeemer. God knew how to close that satanic agenda stargates then, He also knows how to close it forever. We were warned that they would come again. Are they here now? Well of course."

Ezekiel’s dry bones are rising. When will this harvest of dark tares of pride, no longer indistinguishable from the holy wheat which gracefully bows, fully emerge? Is it hidden in Gog?
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Postby ScaRZ » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:40 pm

Prophecies of the Antichrist -- Part One

Patrick Heron

October 26, 2007

With the nearness of the advent of the coming Apocalypse, many prophecy scholars and Bible teachers have been keeping an eagle eye out to see if they can spot a likely contender who may just be the dreaded Antichrist.

Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot are names which have been bandied about in recent history as likely fitting his description. Various Caesars and especially Nero seemed to fit the bill in bygone days along with a few of the Popes.

But what of this Antichrist and how can we be sure that we know exactly who he is when he eventually shows up?

I intend to have a stab at identifying this person in a series of short articles over the coming weeks. I will attempt to do this task from our primary source for truth, the Bible. Before I begin to delve into this important topic, I need to set the ground rules.

That is, I firmly believe that we should allow the Word to speak for itself. I believe that most of the Bible is plain and simple and easy to understand and it is to be taken literally for the most part. Even parables have a literal interpretation. And where figures of speech are used, we can identify them and seek their literal meaning.

One does not need to be a learned person to understand the Bible. In fact, Jesus told us to beware of the doctors of the law and scribes and other well educated religious people who always like to point out how many degrees and doctorates of theology they possess.

What was Peter’s occupation? That’s right. A fisherman. And Mark? He took care of sheep. And the rest of the apostles? They were “ignorant and unlearned” according to the chief priests and theologians of the day. Basically, they were a bunch of peasants who had little schooling. But I bet they were smart guys. Peter was a top fisherman and you wouldn’t pull the wool over his eyes. Mark was a great shepherd and probably made a decent living from sheep farming. These guys were no mugs. They were street wise and intelligent.

So if you are a person who has spent years in theology studies and have the letters after your name to prove it, then you might be at a disadvantage when it comes to ferreting out the truths of the Bible. Better we all become like children and allow that we might learn something afresh from Holy Writ. In fact, if we believe that the Bible is the inerrant truth of God, then none of us should be afraid to change our theology on a subject if the plain truth is staring us in the face. Even if it means giving up believing in something which we held as truth for donkey’s years.

Listen to what the Word says about itself in Hebrews 4:12,

“For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”

So the Word will interpret itself if we allow it. For no prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. And boy is it exact. The following is a prime example of just how sharp it is, taken from Luke 4:16-21,

“He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and stood up for to read.

And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.”

And he closed the book, and gave it again to the minister, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your ears.”

Now this is amazing insomuch that he had to open the book, which was a scroll (they didn’t have books like we have today). They also didn’t have chapters, paragraphs or numbered verses. Isaiah was one long continuous document. He unrolled the scroll and found the quote which he was looking for and began reading. But he stopped reading in the middle of the sentence. For if you go to Isaiah 61 verse 2, it says,

“To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, AND THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD.”

The latter half of that sentence is still future. For the “day of vengeance” is speaking of the day of the Lord which pertains to the coming Apocalypse and prophecies still unfulfilled. If he had read that next phrase, then he would have been wrongly dividing the Word of truth and your whole Bible would fall apart. But he didn’t. He stopped half way through. There was only a comma separating the rightly divided truth of the Word, from error.

That’s how sharp the Bible is. It is with this foundation in mind that we approach this study in trying to sketch a description from scripture of the attributes of the coming Antichrist and what his role will be on this earth.

The Epistle of 2 Thessalonians 2 is where I would like to go first for it has some revealing facts to show us concerning what Paul calls the “man of sin.” Speaking of “the day of the Lord,” which is the coming Apocalypse it says,

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first, and that MAN OF SIN be revealed, the son of perdition,

Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

…And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all power and signs and lying wonders.

…And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”

The man of sin is also called here, the son of perdition and the lawless one. This is speaking of the infamous person well known today as the Antichrist. But “anti” in Greek does not have to mean against. It can also mean “in the stead of.” It will become clear as we advance this study that the correct description pertaining to this being is that when he comes, he will be coming “in the stead of” Christ.

That is, when he shows up, he is going to convince a perplexed world that he is the true Messiah. More on this later. But for now, what can we learn from the passage in Thessalonians? Well the first thing we must glean and get clear is that we are told that this person is a man. But he is a man that possesses great powers. For it says in verse 9 (and this is the New International Version I am quoting here),

“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders.”

In the Book of Acts we are told that “signs, miracles and wonders” followed those who believed in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. So what will distinguish this man when he comes will be that he can perform signs, miracles and wonders, albeit they will be counterfeit.

So we can now eliminate Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Nero and any upcoming Arab prince in the Near East, as none of these produced any signs, miracles and wonders. ... ature=9502
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Postby ScaRZ » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:45 pm

If Christ is to return as a thief in the night,most of the population won't be looking for him. I think this parable is telling us,people will be asleep in their minds. If you knew the thief was coming you would've stayed awake and been waiting on him. You are now asleep in your mind because,almost the whole population of the world will believe that Christ has already come to earth. No need for them to be alert any longer,Christ is already here. They have been totally taken in by the one claiming to be Christ. The mighty sting of the scorpion has paralyzed their minds in the deception of Antichrist as The Christ.

To the world,the Antichrist will be the Christ. He will be the beautiful Shining One,not some horrible looking person. Picture Christ in your mind,and this is what the earth will receive. Satan is the great counterfeiter and his greatest moment will be to impersonate Christ.

The two witnesses of God will be the ones the world hates. Just like the world rejected Christ when he walked the earth,the two witnesses will be rejected.The world will reject and hate every one of the Christians and elect of God. God,Christians and his elect will be the enemy of the world,not the Antichrist. He will be their God,their Christ and their saviour. They the world will be deceived into believing the biggest lie ever. As the old saying goes,"If you know you're being deceived,then you're not being deceived." Christ will indeed come as a thief in the night,and the world will be asleep.
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Postby ScaRZ » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:18 pm

In verse 9:11 of Revelation we read that when the bottomless pit is opened a ruler or King of the Watchers and evil spirits ascends from the Abyss,his name is Abaddon[Hebrew] and Apollyon[Greek]. Abaddon or Apollyon means [The Destroyer].

Rev 9:11
And they had a KING over them, [which is] the ANGEL of the BOTTOMLESS PIT, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon.

At the sound of the fifth trumpet an Angel[Star] falls[Descends] from the heavens to the earth and has in his possession a key to unlock the bottomless pit[Abyss]. I believe this is the same Angel that will lock Satan in the bottomless pit[Abyss] for the Millennium[1,000 years].

Rev 9:1
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

I believe The Beast of Revelation is Abaddon[The Destroyer] that is described as rising from the bottomless pit[Abyss] in Rev 11:7 and Rev 17:8. In Rev 11:7 we see this beast who comes out of the bottomless pit has the power to defeat and kill the two witnesses after they have finished their three and one half years of testimony.

Rev 11:7
And when they[The two witnesses] shall have finished their testimony, the BEAST that ASCENDETH out of the BOTTOMLESS PIT shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 17:8
The BEAST that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ASCEND out of the BOTTOMLESS PIT, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

In 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 this man of sin,the son of perdition [utter destruction or ruin] we see he brings about ruin or destruction. He is a destroyer or a better term The Destroyer[Abaddon].

We also read that the day of Christ will not come until a falling away takes place and also that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. I believe a falling away from the truth of the gospel and the one true God will take place and people will believe a false god is the god.

2 Th 2:1-4
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

As you can see in this verse above....2 Th 2:2....That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.....Paul is trying to warn us not to fall for false claims that Christ is about to return or has returned, even if they say they had a revelation,a vision or written letter.

The falling away and the revealing of the son of perdition must take place FIRST before Christ will return. Don't be deceived into believing in the lies, signs and wonders of a false doctrine.....A false Christ....A false god.

The ones who will be deceived are the ones as it was in the days Christ walked on the earth. They were always wanting the great signs and wonders, that would help or make them believe Christ was who he said he was. SHOW me a sign or SHOW me wonders, then I WILL BELIEVE. It never was and never will be about signs and wonders, it's about FAITH. Faith in the one true God and in the WORD OF GOD.

People will get just what they want, signs and wonders[A strong delusion] from the Man of Sin,Son of Perdition,the Beast,Antichrist,Abaddon,Apollon,the Destroyer,the Little Horn,the Wicked One,the Wicked,the Cruel,the Bloody and Deceitful Man,the Man of the Earth,the Mighty Man,the Enemy,the Adversary,the Assyrian,the King of Babylon,the Spoiler,the Prince That Shall Come,the Angel of the Bottomless Pit.
These are some of the many names of the Antichrist as referred to in the scriptures and the one who gives man what he wants.

2 Th 2:8-12
And then shall that Wicked[Antichrist] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

[Even him]--(Antichrist), whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of [the truth], that they might be saved.

[And for this cause] God shall send them [strong delusion], that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned [who believed not the truth], but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Then Paul tells us to stand strong in the Word and not be shaken in our faith in the Word of God.

2 Th 2-15
Therefore, brethren, [stand fast], and hold the [traditions] which ye have been taught, whether [by word], or our [epistle].

I believe God will test mankind with this strong delusion,to see if they will stand firm in the Word of God or fall for the lies. It's ALL written in the Word of God how Christ WILL return and not to believe a lie, that a christ or a god has already arrived.

If Christ doesn't return just as he said he would return........DON'T BELIEVE IT.

Mat. 24:27

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; [so shall also the coming of the Son of man be].

This is why Christ said over and over not to be fooled. Always be watching looking upward for his return......NEVER give up or give in.
Don't be like the WORLD......Running and hiding in the caves and dens.
In other words.......DON'T run toward the darkness......RUN toward the LIGHT.

Luke 21:28

And when these things begin to come to pass, then [look up], and [lift up your heads]; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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