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Postby ryguy » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:10 pm

Or thread/forum terrorism?

We are at alert level orange. Or is it yellow? All thread hijack precautions have been employed for the sake of national sanity. The alert level will be lowered to whatever is below orange when the threat of forum hijack has been contained.
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:15 pm

ryguy wrote:Or thread/forum terrorism?

We are at alert level orange. Or is it yellow? All thread hijack precautions have been employed for the sake of national sanity. The alert level will be lowered to whatever is below orange when the threat of forum hijack has been contained.


threat of forum hijack?? is that aimed at me?
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:38 am

If there is any doubt about the seriousness of the criminal regime's threat to the republic, read this by Paul Craig Roberts. Roberts is former editor of the Wall Street Journal and served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Ronald Reagan. His essays appear regularly at the Libertarian sites LewRockwell.com and antiwar.com. It has long been his contention that supporters of the Bush usurpation are complicit in the destruction of American democracy.

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March 16, 2007
The Last Days of Constitutional Rule?
by Paul Craig Roberts

The Bush administration's greatest success is its ability to escape accountability for its numerous impeachable offenses.

The administration's offenses against US law, the US Constitution, civil liberties, human rights, and the Geneva Conventions, its lies to Congress and the American people, its vote-rigging scandals, its sweetheart no-bid contracts to favored firms, its political firing of Republican US Attorneys, its practice of kidnapping and torturing people in foreign hellholes, and its persecution of whistle blowers are altogether so vast that it is a major undertaking just to list them all.

Bush admits that he violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and spied on US citizens without warrants, a felony under the Act. Bush has shown total disrespect for civil liberty and the Constitution and has suffered rebukes from the Supreme Count. The evidence is overwhelming that the Bush administration manufactured false "intelligence" to justify military aggression against Iraq. The Halliburton contract scandals are notorious, as is the use of electronic voting machines programmed to miscount the actual vote.

The chief-of-staff to Vice President Cheney has been convicted for obstructing justice in the outing of a covert CIA officer. Proof of torture is overwhelming, and the Bush administration has even had the temerity to have permissive legislation passed after the fact that permits it to continue to torture "detainees." The Sibel Edmonds and other whistle blower cases are well known. The Senate Judiciary Committee has just issued subpoenas to Justice (sic) Dept. officials involved in the scandalous removal of US Attorneys who refused to be politicized.

Yet the Democrats have taken impeachment "off the table." Many Democrats and Republicans and a great many Christians can contemplate illegal military aggression against Iran, but not the impeachment of the greatest criminal administration in US history. Far from being scandalized by what the entire world views as an unjust invasion and occupation of Iraq by the US, leading Democratic and Republican candidates for the 2008 presidential nomination rushed to inform the Israel Lobby, AIPAC, that they, if elected, will keep US troops in Iraq.

The previous occupant of the White House could not escape being impeached by the House of Representatives for lying about a consensual Oval Office sexual affair. President Nixon and his vice president, a saintly pair compared to Bush-Cheney, were both driven from office for offenses that are inconsequential by comparison. Liberals branded Ronald Reagan the "Teflon President," but the neoconservatives' Iran-Contra scandal was a mere dress rehearsal for their machinations in the Bush regime.

What explains Bush-Cheney invulnerability to accountability?

Perhaps the answer is that Bush has desensitized us. Like kids desensitized to violence by violent video games and movies and pornography addicts desensitized to sex, we have become desensitized by the avalanche of Bush-Cheney crimes, lies, and disdain for Congress, courts, and public opinion.

Our elected representatives, if not the American people, now regard as normal such heinous actions as war crimes, the rape of the Constitution, self-serving use of government office, and the constant stream of lies and propaganda from the highest offices of the executive branch.

Perhaps that is what disillusioned foreigners, who once looked with hope to America, mean when they say that America does not exist anymore.

If the notion has departed that the highest political offices in the land are supposed to be occupied by people who are honest and faithful to their oath to the Constitution, then we are far advanced on the road to tyranny.

In future history books, will Bush-Cheney mark the transition of the United States from constitutional rule to the unaccountable rule of the unitary executive who cancels out Congress with signing statements and silences critics with the police state means that are now part of the US legal code?
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Postby ryguy » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:32 pm

cartoonsyndicate wrote:His essays appear regularly at the Libertarian sites LewRockwell.com and antiwar.com. It has long been his contention that supporters of the Bush usurpation are complicit in the destruction of American democracy.


Rush Limbaugh also says that feminists are complicit in the destruction of American democracy. And while I could argue the point that while well intentioned (at least most), they are certainly following misleading logic from those who currently lead the movement, and are following faulty statistics and research (one feminist quotes a second feminist in her book, who has quoted a third in her book, who has quoted a fourth, who has quoted a study which happens to be horribly outdated and flawed and subsequently proven incorrect - such as the "70 cents for every dollar a man earns" famous quote).

HOWEVER...(sorry for rambling on...I got into some pretty heated debates against feminists in my college days).... only an extreme, ignorant, and completely uneducated, and dare I say stupid, person would argue that one such group is complicit in the destruction of America for god's sake....

It is views like THAT that contribute to any sort of degredation of America. There will be no destruction of America - short of a natural catastrophy, or if any foreign nation gains significant military power. Either way, it would take a hell of a lot. Certainly more than two planes into buildings. And certainly a heck of a lot more than Conservatives who support Bush, regardless.

To make that claim is as extreme and ignorant (not aimed at you Toon - but at the quote above) as is Rush Limbaugh's views (who I used to like years ago btw...don't ask why...I was young and naive and hadn't done my own homework yet).

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:14 pm

It has long been his contention that supporters of the Bush usurpation are complicit in the destruction of American democracy.


Surely you can see that if one supports a criminal enterprise he is also a criminal. It's a principle well established in American jurisprudence, popularly termed 'aiding and abetting.' If you truly believe your own statements concerning the 'criminal nature' of the Bush regime, then it follows that those who are aiding and abetting this mendacious program are equally guilty. All I'm doing is pointing out the logical extensions of your charge.

The Rush Limbaugh analogy does not apply here. On the one hand we have a misogynist entertainer in bad faith and on the other we have an outlaw regime that rules the most powerful nation on the planet. I think you'll acknowledge the difference.

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Postby ryguy » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:25 pm

Surely you can see that if one supports a criminal enterprise he is also a criminal.


Not being aware of the criminality of the enterprise is different than supporting it. I would wager that those who are in fervent support of this administration do so more out of party/conservatist loyalties and make a concerted effort not to really examine the evidence that lays out the criminality simply because they view that evidence the same way as previous liberal attacks against conservatism.

Party politics have created a "cry wolf" mentality....so that now, when we've got a case of true criminal behavior - the extreme left wing hijacks it as yet another political cause to destroy conservatism, and conservatives jump to immediate knee-jerk defense mode.

The problem for those of us in the middle, especially as conservatives concerned for true democracy (the kind that was formed at the birth of our free nation) is that while we are struggling to help others on both sides understand the serious error of this family's legacy, connections, and disturbing conflicts of interest - we're also dealing with the extreme left-wing hijacking the truth in order to further 100's of other of their causes and as part of the never-ending party attacks. The attacks that have gone on for so long make it impossible to convince reasonable conservatives that something has gone horribly wrong - because they're too busy defending themselves from the never-ending attacks from the left on unrelated issues.

The Rush Limbaugh analogy does not apply here. On the one hand we have a misogynist entertainer in bad faith and on the other we have an outlaw regime that rules the most powerful nation on the planet. I think you'll acknowledge the difference.


Not an accurate dualistic comparison. You've compared two right-wing entities here....what I compared earlier is Rush Limbaugh's extremism to the extremism of Libertarian sites such as LewRockwell.com and antiwar.com. That is the comparison I made above, and it certainly does apply.

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:10 pm

Wow! Since you posted this it seems that our brother, Max, has had a majorleague melt-down. Holy jeezizzzzzzz!!!!! I'm really sorry if I had anything to do with his twisting on lampchord. The Bush ship sinks and Max is glued to the stern. Damn!
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:35 pm

extremism of Libertarian sites such as LewRockwell.com and antiwar.com


you really think these sites are 'extremist'? hahahah. I'll have to write to Lew and let him know. Is he a commie? a nazi? or a child molester? He'll certainly be bemused at being called an 'extremest'!

And Justin Raimondo? extremist??? I'll certainly let him know, too!

Who else is an extremist? Pat Buchanan? Taki? Leon Hadar? Paul Craig Roberts? Andrew Bacevich? Scott McConnell? (all writers for Antiwar.)

Holy jeezizzz, batman! We have extremists in our midst!!
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Postby ryguy » Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:25 am

Private Forum is now open for all members. Please check it out, only one thread at the moment but more to come.

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Postby Max » Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:33 am

Toon, you really are a devious and shameless pseudo-intellectual. Trying to pass of your wares much like snake-oil salesmen of old.

"""Wow! Since you posted this it seems that our brother, Max, has had a majorleague melt-down. Holy jeezizzzzzzz!!!!! I'm really sorry if I had anything to do with his twisting on lampchord. The Bush ship sinks and Max is glued to the stern. Damn"""

What in the world are you talking about?? Meltdown? Twisting??

When you couldn't answer straight up the issues I presented to you on another thread, you resorted to your usual MO: insults, attempts to inflict unpleasantries, and diverting the subject matter away from what you were called to task about.

Now, you jump threads, where I'M NOT and start talking about me here and making wild statements. Is there no limit to your sliminess??

What I used to think was a sick sense of humor has clearly revealed itself as a sick personality in dire need of medications! Be aware, your insecurities are showing!!!
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Postby ryguy » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:07 am

Next person, regardless of who it is, who continues this flame war in any thread will be immediately banned for 7 days - no more warnings or chances for anyone. I've had it.

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Postby JayKew » Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:17 pm

Im more a lurker than anything but I do enjoy visiting this forum more than any other and more importantly since ATS started its spectacular downhill journey neglecting quality for the sake of quantity.

Do I (even though I contribute very little ) qualify for admittance to the Private Forum and if so how do I go about finding it.

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Postby ryguy » Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:55 pm

JayKew wrote:Do I (even though I contribute very little ) qualify for admittance to the Private Forum and if so how do I go about finding it.

Cheers.

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You sure do. I've gone through the membership list and cleaned off any undesireables...so anyone who remains a member has access. If you scroll down when you're logged in, toward the middle of the forum or so you'll see a forum called "The Big Picture". That is a members only forum which guests can't view - only members who are logged in can.

Thanks for your interest!

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Postby Zep Tepi » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:19 pm

The membership of the Big Picture forum has been modified to include only those members who login regularly. There are some lurkers included too, but all sockpuppets and alter-egos -as well as some "undesirables" have been removed.

If you are a member and do not have access to that particular forum, drop me or Ryan a pm and we'll see what we can do :)

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Postby ryguy » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:07 am

Current Topics and Investigations:

- 21st Century Plague (Neurodegenerative Disease and Serpo) - Started March 9, 2007
- Iran Capture of 15 British Servicemen - Started March 26, 2007
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- Tacitus Explained - Started March 27, 2007

Once any investigation produces enough corroborating evidence, private investigations conducted with the support of the membership is then moved into the public area, unless it is requested by any sources that the information remain non-public.
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