Collaborative thread for future articles.

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Re: Collaborative thread for future articles.

Postby Gary » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:52 pm

ryguy wrote:
Gary wrote:In order to protect Russo's "deep thought" source I cannot say more. :-)


Oh right, I forgot...when Starstream quotes an anonymous source - it's a "classified source" - when RU quotes an official source, Gary calls it "rumor". lol...

Here...hold on a sec.

**Ryan pulls a 5 foot tall mirror out of his back pocket and holds it up in front of Gary**

Of course that rule only applies to journalists, not to spies using the Internet to elicit information ;-)


Does it apply to wanna-be spies trying to drum up drama on the internet by quoting sources who's only intent is to create drama?

The reason you won't elaborate on the source is because you know perfectly well what most people think about legitimacy of data (or lack thereof) coming from that source.

-Ry


Not past or present CIA or DIA. Not known to you to best of my knowledge.
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Re: Collaborative thread for future articles.

Postby MikeJamieson » Sat May 10, 2008 1:49 am

Okay, I let part three end with the CIA's involvement (1975).

I almost just went on to cover the next two-three period, but this seemed to be the right point to stop.

I will probably cover the remaining time (up through 1995) in the next section and then, in #5, have
an overview and sidebar article that backtracks and covers many things not written about so far.

And, then an article on the RV process itself.
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Re: Collaborative thread for future articles.

Postby Zep Tepi » Sat May 10, 2008 12:32 pm

Part 3 of Mike's Remote Viewing series can be read here:
All You Really Need Is An Address

Great stuff Mike, can't wait to read more =D>

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Re: Collaborative thread for future articles.

Postby MikeJamieson » Sat May 10, 2008 3:21 pm

Thankyou, Steve.

These defferent threads are a valuable resource, especially for when I backtrack and cover all the
things we have been talking about in those threads. So, thankyou everyone for that.
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Re: Collaborative thread for future articles.

Postby Gary » Wed May 21, 2008 5:49 am

Early mention of DIA interest in Pat Price at SRI (this from STAR GATE files text version as supplied by CIA)

Name: Pat Price
Died: July 14, 1975


FOR USE PREVIO F-1 INTEINAL
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OTS/BAB MEMO #210-75
29 May 1975
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: Parapsychology
1. On 21 May 1975, 1 met withi of DIA to SG1J
discuss his Agency's interest in contacting Mr. Patrick Price,
psychic. DIA's interest in Mr. Price had been stimulated by
a briefing recently given them by lof OTS, who SG1 I
outlined the several years of CIA's association with SRI's
parapsychological research program and Mr. Price's role in it.
SG1J ireports to Dr. Jack Vorona, Director of DIA's
Office of Scientific and Technical Intelligence, and is chief
of their life and behavioral sciences research program.
2. 1 outlined briefly forl the nature of our SG1J
relationship, or lack thereof, with Mr. ce since BAB moved
into the picture. I mentioned that we are still awaiting a
secret level clearance on him and discussed some overall con-
cerns about flap potential, suggesting that the press could
certainly have a field day with Mr. Price and his association
SG11 with the intelligence business. I had coordinated the visit
tol with Iliaison
SG1J with E his request I noted that our Technical Require-
ments Board was not supporting Mr. Price nor vouching for his
capabilities. At the same time, I stated that there were
people in the Agency who felt that his apparent talents were
of sufficient interest to maintain some kind of relationship
with him. I commented we were doing just that, had invited him
to town once during the past several months to participate in
a real life operational exercise and planned to do that again
on occasion in the future when the right operational situation
presented itself. I said that after a half dozen or so of
these exercises we should have a better fix on whether or not
Mr. Price's talents can contribute anything in an operational
sense.
SG1J 3. 1 toldi tha our relationship with Mr. Price
was informal, that we ha. no contract with him and that Mr.
Price was free to work with DIA or anyone else if he chose to
do so. At the same time, I cautioned that Mr. Price seemed
to dig us and would probably give us first option on his
services. Finally, I toldi _J that I would prefer him SG1J
to deal directly with Mr. Price. I offered to broker an
SG1A
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invitation at some point, but suggested that after that we would
prefer not to serve as middle man between DIA and Price.
SG1J 4. 1 had no particular problems with any of the
above. He said that Dr. Vorona and the Deputy Director/DIA
plan to go to Director/DIA to -suggest contact with Price. De-
pending on D/DIA's reaction, F may or may not be back SG1J
in touch with me.
SG1 I
Chief, OTS/BAB
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31 August 1973
MEMORA,NDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: Discussion of Parapsychology Research
with DIA Personnel 25 August 1973
1. At the request ofi Chief SG1 I
Biomedical Sciences Branch, OSI, I attended a meeting with
three DIA pe!sonnel,,l I and SG1
SG1J 1 at CiA Headquarters. I I SG1 I
netica and Behavioral Sciences Branch OSI was also
present. The general topic discussed was parapsychological
research.
2. DIA is currently considering funding a program in
parapsychology. DIA was being pushed to evaluate claims
of paranormal abilities and felt a research program was
necessary to provide reference information. Through various
SG1 I interactions withi (who Is involved with Soviet
paranormal abilities) it an discoveredE-::]knew SG1
personnel at Stanford Research Institute involved in para-
psychology. Since some of the most interesting data avail-
able i being publish d by SRIti was attempting SG1
SG1 I to obt:in ' assessment of SKI their potential
for doing psrapsyc_90_@Ogy research and verification for DIA.
3. Since the personnel from DIA were all cleared
individuals and were told by ARPA of some CIA involvement
in paranormal research, some of CIA's investigations with
SRI were discussed. Specifically DIA was told that we had
a small classified contract which has been completed a few
months ago. Many of the results of the contract are sum-
marized in the film concerning the first studies with Uri
Geller which was shown at Columbia University's physics
department about six months ago. My copy of this film was
SG1J loaned tol for his review.
DIA review(s) completed.
SG1
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SG1J 4. 1 advisedE-- since we had no existins
contractual relation with SU,, more details and other
information about current research and future plans must
necessarily come from SRI. CIA management has not yet
decided the official policy with regard to paranormal
research. Until and unless such a policy was formulated
in CIA it would be presumptuous for me to speak'for or
about SRI and premature to disco'" coordination and
liaison of research with DIA1,40 any other government
agency.
5. The background information provided byl SG
SG11 and Eyes Only Memorandum for the Record, Visit to
FSTC/Charlottesville, Virginia, 8 August 1973 assures us
that we will undoubtedly hear from and see more of these
individuals. This memorandum describes, among other things,
some strong pressure being applied to DIA to become involved
in Paranormal research. SGF01A
SGFOIA3
ground indicates that sensitive internal CIA matters should
not be freely discussed with DIA and that coordination and
liaison with DIA in parapsychology research should be
treated cautiously.
OTS/CB SG
1 6-
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Two final articles to come

Postby MikeJamieson » Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:41 pm

Okay, before the new President calls me and others to duty (help with his agenda), I better finish off that series on RV!

Part 4: "The Rest of the Story" (covering from AF, Dale Graff period through demise of DIA program in 1995) and,
Part 5: "The Process and the Debates and Questions."

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http://atiasrama.wordpress.com
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Re: Two final articles to come

Postby ryguy » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:33 pm

MikeJamieson wrote:Part 4: "The Rest of the Story" (covering from AF, Dale Graff period through demise of DIA program in 1995) and,
Part 5: "The Process and the Debates and Questions."


Excellent - looking forward to those, Mike. Especially part 5!

By the way, the photos of Peavine Mtn on the atiasrama blog are stunning - nice photography!

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Re: Collaborative thread for future articles.

Postby MikeJamieson » Sun Dec 21, 2008 3:55 am

Hi Ryan, these threads in this psi/mind control forum will be extremely valuable in preparing for article #5.
Reality Uncovered has developed into a multi perspective place, not at all missionary or one dimensional!
I think a lot of outlooks on this subject are covered here.

Very excited to see "invisible articles---ghosts and the paranormal". And, to see your explorations (and thoughts).
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Re: Collaborative thread for future articles.

Postby ryguy » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:21 pm

Thanks Mike! It's very enjoyable to write about. I have a sort of "weird" mix between skepticism and spiritual beliefs - it's very hard to explain to people, so the blog is a good opportunity to just put it out there. The post from last night alone is a good example - drawing parallels between what cultures considered "demonic" activity in the past, and what people today call a "haunting."

I'm very excited about hopefully getting into a few homes in the area, taking photos and video, and getting it up on that blog - it'll be exciting to put up some first-hand evidence. I need to check out the blog you mentioned above about Exo memes - that sounds like an interesting blog!

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