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MINDTAP

Postby Gary » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:54 pm

The application of fMRI technology for detection of a "telepathic information channel" between distant tests subjects would provide an objective framework for serious research into an area of anomalous observation already of interest to the USAF: encounters with non-human intelligence and telepathic transmission of information.

What does spy-agency polygraph technology, brain scanning fMRI, and extraterrestrial telepathy have in common?

http://stargate007.blogspot.com/2008/04 ... s-and.html
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Re: MINDTAP

Postby ryguy » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:58 pm

Gary wrote:What does spy-agency polygraph technology, brain scanning fMRI, and extraterrestrial telepathy have in common?

http://stargate007.blogspot.com/2008/04 ... s-and.html


OOhh...ohohoh oh...ohoooh...meeemememe....me.me.m..meeee....ooooh

**Ryan bounces up and down in his chair with his hand up**

The answer is: Scientists who suffer from paranoid, schitzophrenic, multiple-personality disorder.
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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Zep Tepi » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:03 pm

Haha! The ONLY answer that makes sense...

Extraterrestrial telepathy? Ok then...

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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Gary » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:39 pm

Is there a particular member of TIGER you have in mind for the role of mad scientist?
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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Zep Tepi » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:42 pm

Would that be a current member of TIGER? Last I heard, TIGER is now minus one mad scientist.
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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Gary » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:01 pm

Zep Tepi wrote:Would that be a current member of TIGER? Last I heard, TIGER is now minus one mad scientist.


http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_um ... rview.html

The investigation into the assassination of Bulgarian dissident Georgi Markov, murdered with a poison-filled pellet shot into his leg (possibly with a converted "umbrella gun") at a bus stop in Britain in 1978, was the most unusual and significant case that medical doctor and forensic specialist Christopher C. Green participated in during his twenty year career as an investigative officer with the Central Intelligence Agency. Green in the analysis of the tiny platinum- and iridium-alloy pellet removed from Markov's leg after his death.

The reason it was so unique, he says, is that "we had pretty much all of the story from a forensic point of view. We had the body, the thing in the body that he was hit with -- the pellet -- and the stuff from the pellet. We knew that the material used to kill him, ricin, had been under development by a foreign service linked to the incident. We also knew that he had been a target of assassination attempts in the past. The story of him being a target was very well known. So we had information on the means, motive, and the opportunity."

"Typically, when someone dies who is involved in an intelligence issue or national policy issue, you have a lot of paranoia , gossip, and rumor, but very little information." In the Markov case, "we had 80 percent of the story," says Green, who is now a professor of diagnostic radiology and psychiatry and behavioral neurosciences at Wayne State University's Detroit Medical Center, where he uses brain imaging techniques to watch how the brain functions as people make decisions. (His current work, he says, is a logical outgrowth of his service at the CIA -- where he still serves as a consultant. At the CIA, Green studied how the brain responds to chemicals and neurological agents, while also investigating foreign advances in biological terrorism and chemical warfare).



Chairman of the committee:

Project Title: Military and Intelligence Methodology for Emergent Neurophysiological and Cognitive/Neural Science Research in the Next Two Decades

PIN: AFSB-J-07-01-A

Major Unit:
Division on Behavioral and Social Sciences and Education
Division on Engineering and Physical Sciences

Sub Unit: Air Force Studies Board
Board on Behavioral, Cognitive, and Sensory Sciences

RSO:

Ford, Carter

Subject/Focus Area:


Committee Membership
Date Posted: 06/04/2007


Dr. Christopher C. Green - (Chair)
Wayne State University, School of Medicine

Christopher C. Green is currently the Executive Director of Emergent Technologies Research at the Detroit Medical Center, and Professor in the Wayne State School of Medicine. He is also a clinical fellow in neuroimaging in the Departments of Diagnostic Radiology and Psychiatry and Behavioral Neurosciences. He is chair of the Joint Independent Science Panel of the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Chemical, Biological, and Nuclear Protection, and a member of the Medical Subcommittee, Local Emergency Planning Committee, State of Michigan Regional Homeland Defense. He serves on many biotechnology and medical boards of directors. Immediately prior to his current position, he was executive director for Global Technology Policy and also the Chief Technology Officer for GM Asia Pacific Operations. His distinguished career with the CIA extended from 1969 to 1985 as a Senior Division Analyst and Assistant NIO for Science and T-technology. He continues as an agency consultant. His medical specialty is forensic medicine and toxicology, neurophysiology, and with a focus on functional brain imaging and clinical MRI. He received his bachelor’s from Northwestern University, his Ph.D. from the University of Colorado Medical School in neurophysiology, and his M.D. from the Autonomous City University in El Paso, Texas/Monterey, Mexico, with honors. He also holds the National Intelligence Medal, and is a fellow in the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. Dr. Green is a current member of the Standing Committee on Technology Insight-Gauge, Evaluate, and Review (TIGER).
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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Zep Tepi » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:04 pm

You did notice the date on that document, right?
Read again what I wrote.

Btw, did you see my post in Serpo in reply to yours?

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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Gary » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:26 pm

Zep Tepi wrote:You did notice the date on that document, right?
Read again what I wrote.

Btw, did you see my post in Serpo in reply to yours?

Cheers,
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You did notice that no change in membership has been noted at the official site, beyond the addition of a new member?

Also note this:

The project is sponsored by the Defense Intelligence Agency.

The approximate start date for this project is June 14, 2007.

A report will be issued at the end of the project in approximately 14 months.

Project Duration: 14 months

Meetings
Meeting 1 - 06/19/2007
Meeting 2 - 08/15/2007
Meeting 3 - 10/30/2007
Meeting 4 - 01/30/2008

Reports
Reports having no URL can be seen
at the Public Access Records Office
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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Zep Tepi » Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:39 pm

Yes I've already read those documents. I'm simply passing on what I have heard on the grapevine by people who would be in a position to know. Do I know if it is true? Nope.
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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Gary » Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:03 am

Something else for the "sci-fi" MINDTAP crowd:

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/pen ... /cajal.pdf

A new method for magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of the brain is based on detection of nuclear spin quantum coherence.

It turns out that quantum dipole couplings of water and protein nuclear spins separated by distances ranging from 10 microns to 1 millimeter yield detectable MRI signals correlating with conscious activity. 106,107 The quantum coherence is induced by the MRI magnet and excitation, and so is basically an induced artifact. However, the fact that the brain can support detectable quantum coherence of any kind over such distances is surprising to most observers, and supports the possibility of endogenous, intrinsic quantum coherence.

Conditions for Orch OR require spread, or entanglement of the quantum state, among microtubules in, say, 2 x 1010 tubulins, or roughly 20,000 neurons distributed throughout the brain for a 40-Hz, 25-msec event.
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Re: MINDTAP

Postby ryguy » Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:24 am

Gary,

You might want to double-check the most current membership if you can (contact someone who is a member or would have access to the list). Might want to confirm their current security clearance status as well. Those (security clearances) are difficult to maintain when you are living overseas in a country that is one of our prime intelligence threats.

Also, I wasn't referring to one scientist/doctor in particular - but to most/all of the researchers in the field.

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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Gary » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:51 am

Actually Ryan, the idea is not "mad" ...

After eight years of extensive research, numerous published
studies and presentations to the scientific community, Cephos
announces the availability of functional MRI-based lie detection/truth
verification services to the general public.


http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRel ... BW20080325

The use of functional MRI technology (fMRI) for lie detection has
been widely acknowledged both in the field of science and by the
general media. To date, 19 published peer reviewed articles on the
topic have appeared in numerous scientific journals and over 10,000
articles using fMRI have appeared in other journals.

Unlike the more widely used polygraph test (which recent studies
show to be inaccurate and is not admissible in courts of law), fMRI
lie detection doesn't measure stress-based responses, nor are the
results susceptible to human subjectivity. Simply stated, the brain
works harder to tell a lie than to tell the truth. FMRI scanning with
Cephos' proprietary software documents the increased stimulation in
the brain regions when a lie is being told, so while a person can
control their stress responses while lying in a polygraph test, it is
unlikely a person can trigger their brain to "work" when lying.


And a summary from WIRED Magazine:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.01/lying_pr.html

Now fMRI is also poised to transform the security industry, the judicial system, and our fundamental notions of privacy. I'm in a lab at Columbia University, where scientists are using the technology to analyze the cognitive differences between truth and lies. By mapping the neural circuits behind deception, researchers are turning fMRI into a new kind of lie detector that's more probing and accurate than the polygraph, the standard lie-detection tool employed by law enforcement and intelligence agencies for nearly a century.
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Re: MINDTAP

Postby ryguy » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:40 am

Gary wrote:Actually Ryan, the idea is not "mad" ...

After eight years of extensive research, numerous published
studies and presentations to the scientific community, Cephos
announces the availability of functional MRI-based lie detection/truth
verification services to the general public.



I agree - fascinating technology. I've seen some videos that show the parts of the brain "lit up" to indicate which areas were firing under certain emotional/psychological stresses. Cool stuff.

Please note - I didn't say the idea or the technology was mad - only the spy-agency scientists who've studied it for practical purposes. :)

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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Access Denied » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:36 am

ryguy wrote:Please note - I didn't say the idea or the technology was mad - only the spy-agency scientists who've studied it for practical purposes. :)

You mean like for "extraterrestrial telepathy "... Vulcan mind melds and all that stuff? :lol:


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Re: MINDTAP

Postby Gary » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:35 am

The idea is to reproduce the 'technology' of the Skinwalker, or so it would seem, at a far more primitive level -- assuming Skinwalker represents advanced technology thousands or millions of years beyond the 21st century.

Whether or not that seems so crazy probably depends upon the human experience of the phenomena; perhaps some day the NIDS physicist will come forward with the tale.

Since science presents a physical and informational basis for the existence of conscious experience, the concept of coupling to the human mind is not an impossible problem, merely a very complex one.
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