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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby ryguy » Mon May 19, 2008 10:08 pm

Gary wrote:The most important point I am trying to communicate to AD and the RU gang is the difference between the old-school mind-creates-reality quantum metaphysics pop culture of the 1970s and 80s and the new, often falsifiable theories and ideas which have potential implications for new communication technologies, something which would be of interest to the NSA, for example.


Gary...I don't mean to keep banging on you, seriously, but what you've succeeded in communicating loud and clear over the past few months is that you are attempting to sell a product to the government (NSA, for example) that is very similar to the product that was sold to them in the 1970's and 80's, and of which they wasted millions of taxpayer dollars on - with virtually no return on investment.

Now you're suggesting they turn their eyes toward the new product-for-sale out of Texas...the new quantum metaphysics cure-all-in-a-bottle related to gravity that promises to have major implications for communication technologies. Unfortunately - it's SUCH a penetrating force that it can't even be detected. Imagine that...a wave that penetrates through planets is going to advance worldwide communications - and there isn't even technology in existence that can even sense it...let alone harness it.

Snake...oil...salesmen. Along the lines of cluster charges, reverse speech, and other bogus science offered to us from these same morons throughout the years.

We, the people, should immediately protest if there is any sign at all that any organization of our government might consider throwing away more tax dollars on anything these snake oil salesmen are selling.

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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Gary » Mon May 19, 2008 10:33 pm

Ryan, why are you associating a world-class theorist like Valentini with Hal and Eric in Texas?

It was Valentini, not anyone associated with AVIARY et al, who wrote:

It is argued that immense physical resources – for nonlocal communication, espionage, and exponentially-fast computation – are hidden from us by quantum noise, and that this noise is not fundamental but merely a property of an equilibrium state in which the universe happens to be at the present time. It is suggested that ‘non-quantum’ or nonequilibrium matter might exist today in the form of relic particles from the early universe. We describe how such matter could be detected and put to practical use. Nonequilibrium matter could be used to send instantaneous signals, to violate the uncertainty principle, to distinguish non-orthogonal quantum states without disturbing them, to eavesdrop on quantum key distribution, and to outpace quantum computation (solving NP-complete problems in polynomial time).


Texas? What are you writing about?

ANTONY VALENTINI

ANTONY VALENTINI is a Research Associate, Department of Physics, at Imperial College in London. He received his PhD in Astrophysics at the International School for Advanced Studies in Trieste, Italy, under Dennis Sciama (whose former PhD students include Stephen Hawking, David Deutsch and Martin Rees). The Thesis develops the pilot-wave theory of de Broglie and Bohm into a complete, alternative approach to modern physics, with applications to quantum gravity and cosmology.



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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby ryguy » Mon May 19, 2008 10:50 pm

Gary wrote:Ryan, why are you associating a world-class theorist like Valentini with Hal and Eric in Texas?


Because regardless of who you are quoting - you are attempting to promote the same technology that they are currently attempting to promote.

Truly Gary - it's clear as day. I suppose I'll have to take some time to go over our archives and point it out so that everyone else can see what you're trying to do too.

And what's so wrong about associating a world-class theorist with Hal and Eric...do you have something against Hal and Eric? ;)

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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Gary » Tue May 20, 2008 2:53 am

If Valentini eventually succeeds in proving his theory, in the future he will become more famous than Einstein. The implications of his theory are nothing less than astonishing.

http://www.fqxi.org/community-articles/ ... Antony.pdf

In its resurrected form, pilot wave theory rethinks standard quantum theory, which according to Rutgers University philosophy of physics professor Tim Maudlin, “only has the wave function and nothing else.”

On the other hand, “perfectly coherent” pilot wave theory gives the old wave function a new trick by adding “the
simplest things one could imagine – actual particles for the wave to guide,” explains Maudlin, an expert on hidden variable theories. “Far from being invisible, the particles are the very things you see: the things that make up tables and chairs and cats and so on.”

In pilot wave theory, Valentini sees a way to explain the seemingly random actions of actual particles such as electrons.


But what truly excited Valentini was how pilot wave theory might explain a troubling anomaly of cosmology.

“In the early universe, space expanded so fast that distantly separated particles couldn't interact if those interactions were limited by the speed of light,” he says. “But observations suggest such distant interactions did happen.”

Pilot wave theory permits particles to interact faster than light. “In fact,” Valentini says, “they can interact instantaneously.”
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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Access Denied » Tue May 20, 2008 4:38 am

Valentini wrote:"Non-quantum matter" would revolutionise computation.

Translation: If at first you don't succeed... invent an entirely new form of matter!

Yeah... that's the ticket. :lol:

Gary, we've already been over Valentini's stuff ad nauseum… if it’s funding he wants I would suggest he find a better spokesperson.

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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Gary » Tue May 20, 2008 6:09 pm

AD, you do realize that the new cosmic data supports Valentini's theory, and therefore potentially falsifies the irreducible randomness of quantum mechanics, and supports non-local pilot wave theory, as is being reported in NATURE?
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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Gary » Tue May 20, 2008 6:11 pm

If you can't understand that http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2017939/posts says this is the case, then you have no business discussing anything related to pilot wave theory.


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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Gary » Tue May 20, 2008 6:21 pm

BTW technically it's not a new form of matter; just matter that is out of quantum equilibrium, thus revealing the non-local nature of the universe which is normally hidden by quantum noise.


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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Gary » Tue May 20, 2008 6:26 pm

And the aliens concur ;-) As does FQXi, see below; RU readers may judge for themselves who is more knowledgeable about fundamental physics issues, AD or FQXi members:

Re: Valentini's funding:

Walking up a flight of stairs at a physics conference, a reporter once told renowned cosmologist Lee Smolin that
he was “so smart” he made her nervous.

At the top of the stairs, Smolin pointed to another man. Antony Valentini, Smolin said, “makes me nervous.”

FQXi recently awarded Valentini a grant worth $84,293 to study an idea that might make a lot of physicists nervous.


Who is FQXi?

http://fqxi.org/who


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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Access Denied » Wed May 21, 2008 7:36 am

Well Gary, if Valentini already has private funding for his (grossly exaggerated in importance by you) research based on premature CMB data then clearly Ryan was correct in his assessment, you are piggy backing on it in an attempt to legitimize Hal and Co.’s own form of quantum quackery. Good luck with that...

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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Gary » Wed May 21, 2008 4:46 pm

Since Hal's research has NOTHING to do with pilot wave theory, you are sounding a bit irrational AD. You would appear to be violating RU policy in that respect? You should explicitly show how Hal's ideas are related to pilot-wave theory. Hal invokes vacuum physics, not pilot waves. BIG difference.

A pilot wave (in the Bohm description) is analogous to a ghost-like spirit that steers quantum motion. Sarfatti took note of this and suggested that allowing matter to respond back upon the pilot wave would produce a self-organizing conscious landscape, in the sense of Stuart Kauffman's ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Kauffman

Remember, the pilot wave originated with the founding fathers of quantum theory.

Pilot wave
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In theoretical physics, pilot wave theory was the first known example of a hidden variable theory, presented by Louis de Broglie in 1927. Its more modern version, the Bohm interpretation, remains a controversial attempt to interpret quantum mechanics as a deterministic theory, avoiding troublesome notions such as instantaneous wavefunction collapse and the paradox of Schrödinger's cat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger
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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Chorlton » Wed May 21, 2008 4:50 pm

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Gary. You do like quoting and posting a lot of references.

Do you understand any of them?
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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Zep Tepi » Wed May 21, 2008 4:59 pm

Gary, the title of this thread is "Quantum Quackery", not Pilot Wave Theory. Both Ryan and AD have made very astute observations regarding your participation in it.

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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby ryguy » Wed May 21, 2008 6:29 pm

Gary wrote:Since Hal's research has NOTHING to do with pilot wave theory, you are sounding a bit irrational AD. You would appear to be violating RU policy in that respect? You should explicitly show how Hal's ideas are related to pilot-wave theory. Hal invokes vacuum physics, not pilot waves. BIG difference.


AD is actually following the rules precisely.

http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/HFGW-2003/123-Becker-Prepub.pdf

A paper discussing High Freq Grav Waves (HFGW) by Robert Baker.

These include gravitomagnetic flux quantization, coherent zero
point motion, and possible connections between space-time geometrical structure and startling
quantum mechanical phenomenon such as quantum teleportation. Most importantly, questions are
asked about the underpinnings of the broader gravitation theory, including the subject of High-
Frequency Gravitational Waves, which might be kept in mind as we forge ahead.


One hidden variable theory does survive the
test of the Bell Theorem. Bohmian Mechanics [52] is
another theory that reduces the prominence of the
wavefunction. It is a member of a family of theories
called pilot wave theories, so named because the
wavefunction acts as a "guide" to the real motion of
particles. But the Schroedinger Equation is
supplemented by a second evolution equation for the
positions of the particles in the system [52] in
configuration space. These are the "hidden" variables.
Coupling these two equations intrinsically builds into
theory wave-particle duality.


How does Hal's baby - ZPF (Zero Point) fit into the convoluted mix?

If long-range coherent correlations in a
background medium exist - either via condensate
CZPM, a form of partial coherence in ZPF, or as dark
energy - and if they are tied to space-time structure, GW
could be one probe for that coherence. Perhaps it is the
only such probe available because of the intimate
relation of GW to that structure. In turn, this fits in with
natural progression of GW technology because
generation and detection of coherent GW will be surely
as important in its own right, as it is for lasers today.


It's almost like Baker and Gary are reading from the same quantum physics manual. Or at least - both are trying to sell the same thing.

Soooo....next Gary will ask - What's the connection between Robert Baker, his discussion of pilot wave theory that almost mirror's Gary's to the letter, HFGW which he is promoting and seeking funding for, and Hal & Eric down in Texas?

Zep...would you like to do the honors?

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Re: Quantum Quackery

Postby Gary » Wed May 21, 2008 8:29 pm

Ryan, HF Gravity Waves have nothing to do with the pilot wave/quantum potential which is a 21st century fundamental theory that may be valid underneath 20th century quantum mechanics (whereas gravity is generally considered in classical terms). In other words, in Valentini's theory, 20th century quantum mechanics is only a special case of a deeper causal theory which explains quantum events. Such theories are also sometimes called "subquantum theories."

Since an accepted working theory of quantum gravity does not exist, in spite of the best efforts of string theorists and those working on loop gravity, as well as numerous other approaches, it would be correct to say that there is no clear consensus even among the experts.

Gravity waves are generally thought to exist, but they are not related to quantum pilot waves.

See http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/

Bohm used the analogy of a radio remote control signal for his quantum potential; the quantum particle is guided by an information wave which "in-forms" the particle where it can strike on the two-slit experiment screen.

Valentini has shown that pilot waves with initial conditions different that those which Bohm used to duplicate the results of quantum theory lead to faster-than-light signals. The no-signaling theorem principle for quantum mechanics is not valid for the set of Valentini's pilot waves, except for the case of quantum equilibrium, which results in the statistical results of 20th century quantum theory.

Valentini's theory opens the door to new kinds of quantum communication/computation that are forbidden by quantum theory.

If the CMB data does not falsify Valentini's predictions, then quantum mechanics may very well turn out to be a special limiting case of a deeper theory.
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