Remote Viewing History: Confusion with Competitive Players?

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Remote Viewing History: Confusion with Competitive Players?

Postby MikeJamieson » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:35 pm

For some years now, I have been unable to untangle various
threads in the history of the covert government remote viewing program.
That appears to be due not necessarily to some counter intelligence
operation designed to obfuscate, but to the varying spins given on
the history by some of the participant viewers in that program.

Some left the program and in later years started up commercial
training schools.

Of course, part of the picture----or distorted picture, is the grading
of various players' reputation. (A practice I see all over the net and
in some books.)

Some of the key names (participants): Mel Riley, Lyn Buchanan, Ed
Dames, General Stubblebine, David Morehouse, Joseph McNoeagle (sp?).
Other names, briefly noted here and there, remain essentially in
the background. Many of you are probably familiar with Courtney Brown.
(Personal note: my own prejudice at this time places Brown and
Dames way low on the credibility scale. Mel Riley and Joseph McNoeagle,
whose name I can't spell correctly at the moment, are way up high
on my personal credibility scale.)

I will do my best to untangle this history. (Without going delirious, I hope.)

At the moment, I can't see a way to discern what is CURRENTLY going
on with possible remote viewing programs in covert/classified areas of
the government. I just presume that something like this would NOT, in fact,
have been abandoned after the exposure and Congressional killing off
of this program back in the mid 90s.
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Postby Hidden Hand » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:58 pm

This is just my opinion, but I'm guessing all the RV training that has been going on effectively means that all the gov't "psychic spying" has been outsourced to the private sector..
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Postby Hidden Hand » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:57 pm

Courtney Brown was involved in the "Hale-Bopp companion incident".

'nuff said.
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Re: Remote Viewing History: Confusion with Competitive Playe

Postby ryguy » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:17 am

MikeJamieson wrote: Many of you are probably familiar with Courtney Brown.
(Personal note: my own prejudice at this time places Brown and
Dames way low on the credibility scale. Mel Riley and Joseph McNoeagle,
whose name I can't spell correctly at the moment, are way up high
on my personal credibility scale.)


When I first noticed the connections to RV in our research, I did some hunting for what evidence is provided in the public domain for it and found the farsight institute that Courtney Brown heads up...and I finally found some solid numbers of how many "hits" or "misses" from some of the sessions. Personally I wasn't "blown away" by an inordinate number of successes over failures - instead I found myself asking "um...so is that considered a successful Remote Viewing session?".

Mel Riley and Joseph I have not taken a look at yet, so I'm glad you mentioned those names. Time for some more reading!

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Postby Shawnna » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:39 pm

Thanks to Xena, here's an interesting report titled

The American Institutes for Research Review
of the Department of Defense's
STAR GATE Program:
A Commentary

by
Edwin C. May, Ph.D.
Cognitive Sciences Laboratory
Palo Alto, California
(The Journal of Parapsychology. 60. 3-23. March 1996)


Abstract (emphasis mine) shows:

As a result of a Congressionally Directed Activity, the Central Intelligence Agency conducted an evaluation of a 24-year, government-sponsored program to investigate ESP and its potential use within the Intelligence Community. The American Institutes for Research was contracted to conduct the review of both research and operations. Their 29 September 1995 final report was released to the public 28 November 1995. As a result of AIR's assessment, the CIA concluded that a statistically significant effect had been demonstrated in the laboratory, but that there was no case in which ESP had provided data that had ever been used to guide intelligence operations. This paper is a critical review of AIR's methodology and conclusions. It will be shown that there is compelling evidence that the CIA set the outcome with regard to intelligence usage before the evaluation had begun. This was accomplished by limiting the research and operations data sets to exclude positive findings, by purposefully not interviewing historically significant participants, by ignoring previous DOD extensive program reviews, and by using the questionable National Research Council's investigation of parapsychology as the starting point for their review. While there may have been political and administrative justification for the CIA not to accept the government's in-house program for the operational use of anomalous cognition, this appeared to drive the outcome of the evaluation. As a result, they have come to the wrong conclusion with regard to the use of anomalous cognition in intelligence operations and significantly underestimated the robustness of the basic phenomenon.




There are three of the four reports still available here and are well worth reading. Thanks again to Xena for digging all of this up.
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:10 pm

I am at a loss to figure out if you and Xenu (Xena) are proponents of RV and it's Scientology connections- Targ, Swann, Puthoff et al. Please clarify your stance on this.
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Re: Remote Viewing History: Confusion with Competitive Playe

Postby Serpentime » Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:12 pm

MikeJamieson wrote:Mel Riley and Joseph McNoeagle,
whose name I can't spell correctly at the moment, are way up high
on my personal credibility scale.)


Hi Mike,

The correct spelling is M-c-M-o-n-e-a-g-l-e.

Bill Ryan's former lady-friend is a friend of Joe McMoneagle's wife, or so Bill once told me.

Overall, I would rate his credibility (McMoneagle) higher, also. If I am correct, he continues to be highly thought-of within the Intelligence Community, and was twice awarded the Legion of Merit for exceptional service.


MikeJamieson wrote:At the moment, I can't see a way to discern what is CURRENTLY going on with possible remote viewing programs in covert/classified areas of the government. I just presume that something like this would NOT, in fact, have been abandoned after the exposure and Congressional killing off of this program back in the mid 90s.


Some while back, I remember reading an interview with Ed May where he stated that all of the likely candidates who might be recruited to work on USG Remote Viewing projects were currently "unemployed", to the best of his knowledge.

To his sensibilities, this also meant that there were no such programs presently being conducted -- either inside, or outside, of USG.


As for myself, I genuinely have no idea. :(



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Postby kiwicocky » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:20 am

cartoonsyndicate wrote:I am at a loss to figure out if you and Xenu (Xena) are proponents of RV and it's Scientology connections- Targ, Swann, Puthoff et al. Please clarify your stance on this.


What difference does it make?

How about 'on the fence'?
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Postby Max » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:14 am

kiwicocky wrote:
cartoonsyndicate wrote:I am at a loss to figure out if you and Xenu (Xena) are proponents of RV and it's Scientology connections- Targ, Swann, Puthoff et al. Please clarify your stance on this.


What difference does it make?


Exactly!
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