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Postby sandman » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:28 pm

Numerous witnesses over a few weeks and not one picture.
Just our luck.
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Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:06 pm

Ahhhhh.....hmmmmmm.....

Access Denied wrote:This article cracks me up…

Plasma Laser: UFO Maker?
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/05/p ... er_uf.html

(snip)Researchers working with high-power laser weapons discovered that they could create a glowing ball of fire in the sky

(snip)

The hissing sound produced by the plasma could be modulated to carry a blurred but understandable signal - a talking fireball. The a device was nicknamed "Voice Of God";


Does anyone immediately think of this???

The Bible wrote:Exodus 3:2-4

There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, "I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up."
4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, "Moses! Moses!"
And Moses said, "Here I am."


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Postby ryguy » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:00 pm

Geez....who had plasma lasers during biblical times...Moses??

hehe...

Aliens only visited us in biblical times and "planted" a genetically engineered hybrid called "Jesus" in MJ12 mythology. :)

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Postby ryguy » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:12 pm

By the way Ray...that post wasn't really directed at you..lol. Ironically I'd just done some reading on UFO cults, and saw one that believed....well...here, have a look and you'll see the irony and odd timing for me to read your post almost immediately after reading the following:

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The Raelians are a UFO cult headquartered in Quebec Canada. Its founder, ex-racecar driver Claude Vorilhon (b. 1946), tells the story that on December 19, 1973 he has an encounter with a UFO and a four foot tall, pale green alien with a black beard. He was told the truth about all religions and informed he was to be the last of the great 40 prophets. His name is changed from Claude to Rael (meaning light of God). Rael is commissioned to spread the truth with the "New commandments" to the world.

Basically the teachings are Bible stories with and extraterrestrial twist to them.

- The Genesis Flood was caused by exploding nuclear missiles.
- Noah's Ark was actually a space craft that floated high above the Earth.
- The Tower of Babel was a rocket designed for the conquest of space.
- Crossing the Red Sea was made possible by a repulsion beam.
- Ezekiel's creatures were wearing anti-gravity suits with small jet engines.
- Jesus healing were preformed by concentrated laser beams from a far away spaceship.
- The Hebrew word Elohim does not mean "God" but refers to the all the alien creators.
- Aliens who left their planet and now live in spaceships created all life on Earth about 25,000 years ago.
- They created life by altering the evolutionary process there on earth.
- The Genesis story of the Cherubim with the flaming sword refers to solders with atomic disintegration weapons, preventing humans from stealing scientific knowledge and becoming intellectually equal with their creators.
- Jesus was the 38th prophet, Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism) was the 39th, now Rael is the 40th and last.
- Mary was artificially inseminated by Yahweh, the chief alien, Rael's mother was done the same way, making Jesus and Rael half brothers.
- The resurrection was accomplished by cloning a single cell the Jesus dead body.
- There is no devil, omniscient god, guardian angels, or sin.
- They want to build an embassy in Israel to welcome the Elohim when they return to earth.
- Everlasting live is based on works. They indorse euthanasia. There is no individual human soul.

The movement says it is attempting to clone hu8mans for the purpose of eventually adding alien DNA to create a hybrid alien-human creature, thus fulfilling man's destiny. they now own an offshore Bio-technology company called Clonaid. The government of Canada has officially recognized the "Raelian church" as an official church with all the tax exemptions. In 2002 there were reported to be some 55,000 Raelians. Experimenting with sexuality, including homosexuality seems to be encouraged. Marriage is discouraged and considered useless. the official symbol of the Raelian movement is a star of David with a swastika in its center. The swastika was replaced by a swirling galaxy after trying to by a plot of land in Israel for their embassy.



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Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:59 pm

ryguy wrote:Geez....who had plasma lasers during biblical times...Moses??


:lol: Yeah, but I was thinking more along the lines of the "time travel" speculative argument. There was an Aussie dude (Ronald Pegg) who, a couple years ago, laid down an analysis which his promoter (a guy by the name of Eddy Pengelly) claims shows that many prophetics works (Revelations, Nostradamus, to name a few) were the result of a time traveler with a computer and a few CD-ROMs from the 1990s going back and "contaminating" the timeline. Interesting reading... but totally speculative and some parts engender a chuckle or two:

http://www.pphcstudygroup.org.au/

Just a smattering to whet the appetite:
Ronald Pegg claimed that
some noted and described gods, God, and Angels in ancient stories and sacred texts were accounts of encounters with Time Travellers


who took back to the past copies of modern history books to show ancient people - in order to warn them about future conflicts.


One particular modern history book is mentioned and described in the Bible as the Book sealed with Seven Seals and was known as the 'Tablet of Testimony'. It was also elsewhere described as a Plate or a Wheel.


That 'Sealed Book' was the source of the described vision or dream imagery documented by Moses, Ezekiel and Daniel (Old Testament) plus Paul and John (New Testament).


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Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:00 pm

Yep... I've heard all about them wacky Raelians! :roll:

Maybe it is time to start the RAYlians??? :lol:

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Postby lost_shaman » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:33 pm

ryguy wrote:
Wait...Now I'm confused - isn't UAP, "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon"?

Or are you referring to a UAV?

-Ry


Yes, typically UAP stands for "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena". However, don't let the "Unidentified" bother you to much because the only thing that's really Unidentified about UAP is the cause of the Aerial Phenomena which appear to be 'cool'(temperature) and very strange behaving atmospheric plasmas.
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Postby caleban » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:25 am

What an intriguing hypothesis! I'd assume anyone wanting to do such a
thing would need some assistance from an expert in lasers, yes?


It is not a hypothesis. Simple math and logic and even exists in nature.
Observable and measurable, but there is no paradox. "nothing can
exceed the speed of light." The physics of "nothing" can be very
interesting. An illusion can be observed, and measured if properly
set up. Yet the illusion = nothing, thus the "illusion can exceed
the speed of light." To say more would take this thread way off topic.

The main contribution to this topic was to point out that we are
entering a time when photoshopping the sky will soon be within
reach of the public. Not only will we have difficulty with the
nature of photographic evidence, but we shall encounter
false visualizations that can even effect instrumentation as
well as our eyes.

Assuming the witnesses actually observed what they claim,
their observations match what I am expecting to note when
the sky starts to become the new photoshop program.

Please ignore the following, this is a "queue position" to return to when
I begin to ask ScaRZ for his opinion on some things. How
would God allowing us to deceive ourselves with powerful
delusions fit with the quotes below from ScaRZ's posts ?

"Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their
fears upon them"

as Paul states in Thessalonians, "They received not the Love of
the truth, for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie."
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Postby Access Denied » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:03 am

Some select quotes from an interesting article in Newsweek today that looks at the recent sighting in TX from the perspective of some current theories…

‘Demons in the Dark’
How scientists talk about UFO sightings
http://www.newsweek.com/id/96014

UFO spotters endure endless jokes about their experiences. But even people who debunk the very notion of UFOs take them seriously. "No one should make fun" of Stephenville's UFO spotters, says Theodore Schick of Muhlenberg College, a liberal arts school in Allentown, Pa. They "had a real experience that's out of the ordinary." But Schick and experts in physics and human psychology say the experiences have scientific explanations. Scientists now probe the most microscopic aspects of the brain and the farthest reaches of the galaxy.

Evolution provides a good starting place for explaining why people have paranormal experiences.

For all but the last 10,000 years of human history, man survived by hunting and gathering plants. To interpret a mysterious world, man projected his own fears and understandings onto his environment. In the "enchanted" view of the world, every part of nature—rocks, trees, hills, water—was alive and filled with spirit. Even in the age of science, the human brain still projects ideas and images on the world.

And…

Scientists defend UFO believers against charges that they're psychologically deranged. People who report UFO sightings and abductions, a 1993 study in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology concluded, are just as intelligent, psychologically healthy, and free of fantasies as people without such experiences. People with UFO experiences differed on only one known measure: sleep deprivation.

The problem is not that UFO sighters are imbalanced, some scientists say, but rather that they do not scrutinize their experiences adequately—which is often hard to do, because the environment is filled with mysterious phenomena. "How many people know about stealth bombers being escorted by fighter jets?" asks Michael Shermer, the author of "Why People Believe Weird Things." "I have to say, it's the spookiest thing I've ever seen. Maybe that's what they saw [in Stephenville]."

And finally this…

The University of Maryland's Park recalls a more mundane experience more than 50 years ago. Stationed in Roswell, N.M., in 1954, he was driving home on a desolate road one night after visiting his parents in Texas. He saw a streak of green-blue light, which he recognized as the glow of an ice meteorite. Then, subconsciously primed for a paranormal experience, he believed for a few seconds that he witnessed a UFO.

"I saw a brilliant light going across the sky on a road," he says. "It looked like a disc to me. When I accelerated, the thing sped up with me. I thought something was going on. I slammed on the brakes—and it was the reflection of my headlights on the telephone lines."

With that, Park learned the ultimate lesson for a scientist: humility.

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Postby ryguy » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:11 am

caleban wrote:"Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their
fears upon them"

as Paul states in Thessalonians, "They received not the Love of
the truth, for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie."


Can't ignore it.

The delusions are/will be both punishment and test. Punishment for the wicked, and a test of faith for those who still receive the "Love of the Truth".

Great quotes btw...and even greater question. I look forward to Scarz' comments as well.

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Postby ScaRZ » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:00 am

Please ignore the following, this is a "queue position" to return to when
I begin to ask ScaRZ for his opinion on some things. How
would God allowing us to deceive ourselves with powerful
delusions fit with the quotes below from ScaRZ's posts ?

"Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their
fears upon them"

as Paul states in Thessalonians, "They received not the Love of
the truth, for this cause God shall send them a strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie."


The delusions will be for those who refuse to believe in the One True God. They don't want to believe the truth but will turn to false gods. I believe then God will give them exactly what they desire,"Signs and Wonders."
Most of the population of the earth will be stung by the great deception as that of a mighty scorpion and it will leave them paralyzed in body,mind and spirit. They will be defenseless from that point forward and will fall hook,line and sinker for the Big Lie.
Will the Alien,UFO phenomenon be part of the signs and wonders and great deception,that gives birth to the Big Lie?.........I answer this with a huge,"Yes!"
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Postby lost_shaman » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:09 am

ScaRZ wrote:Will the Alien,UFO phenomenon be part of the signs and wonders and great deception,that gives birth to the Big Lie?.........I answer this with a huge,"Yes!"


My parents are Baptists!

However, I maintain that observations of the Atmosphere have nothing to do with 'Great Lies' or 'Biblical Deceptions'!
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Postby Access Denied » Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:17 am

[also posted @ BA]

I don’t know if we’ll ever be able to get to the bottom of this (i.e. separating the wheat from the chaff in order to find a satisfactory explanation that everyone can agree on) considering what a media circus this has turned into as noted by this surprisingly frank statement from MUFON field investigator Terry Groff concerning the oft cited “hundreds” of witnesses …

'Stephenville' Investigator's Report
It was sheer madness in Dublin, Texas on Saturday
http://frankwarren.blogspot.com/2008/01 ... eport.html

Oddly, none of the witnesses I interviewed were witness to the event(s) of January 8th - all were from December '07 - none of which correlated with the others. My witness' reports consisted of a Black Triangle, Neon Green Orbs, repeating orange explosions and one CE3 in the witness' bedroom. This witness also stated that they had been being abducted for years but it had been more than 10 years since the last.

On the other hand, I think this explanation first offered on January 16th by a Fort Worth medical helicopter pilot who believes he saw flares on January 10th in the area just two days after the initial “sighting” on January 8th is worthy of further consideration…

Pilot Says He Can Explain Stephenville UFO Sightings
http://www.nbc5i.com/news/15069744/detail.html

This would seem to indicate the possibility of an ongoing (not yet completed) joint training exercise in the area which might be an additional factor to consider as to why the AF spokesman “changed his story” from the preliminary (and less formal sounding) statements given to the local Stephenville press on January 13th in this article here…

All eyes on the skies
http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2 ... news01.txt

To the more formal statement reported here…

Texas UFO mystery solved?
Military says fighter jets were in area; witnesses don't buy explanation
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 87cf0.html

Several dozen witnesses reported that they had seen unusual lights in the sky near Stephenville shortly after dusk Jan. 8. One sighting included a report that the lights were pursued by military jets. Military officials had repeatedly denied they had any flights in the area that night.

[snip]

Maj. Karl Lewis, a spokesman for the 301st Fighter Wing at the former Carswell Field, blamed the erroneous release on "an internal communications error."

That still left unanswered the question of what F-16s might have been doing that would look like a line of silent, glowing spheres. Maj. Lewis said he could not give any details.

"What we do down there falls under operational procedures that cannot be released because of operations security for our mission," he said.

Makes perfect sense to me… OPSEC: It’s not just a good idea, it’s policy. :D

The above article continues with this rejection of the helicopter pilot’s hypothesis by an aviation consultant…

One battle tactic used routinely by F-16s involves the ejection of flares that are intended to confuse heat-seeking missiles. The flares can be ejected several at a time, and could form a pattern of bright lights traveling across the sky.

But such activity would not match other aspects of the descriptions of the Stephenville lights. Witnesses generally described what they saw as silent, apparently changing speeds and passing over populated areas. That does not sound like a flare release, said Jay Miller, an aviation consultant and historian in Fort Worth.

For one thing, any jet that dumps flares would also be trying to get away as fast as possible.

"He's going to be in full afterburner," Mr. Miller said, and that's very loud. But the jets wouldn't be the only noise associated with flares.

"Flares don't burn silently. They actually burn quite loudly," he said.

Flares are also extremely hot and dangerous, and it's highly unlikely that any drill would involve their use over populated areas, Mr. Miller said.

True but given that estimating distances of objects in the sky at night is highly subject to error (does a star for example actually *look* like it’s 100s of light years away?) it’s possible the witnesses simply misjudged the “object’s” distance and altitude. How can anyone be sure the flares weren’t actually dropped over the MOA and only appeared to be much closer to Stephenville due to their brightness?

Here’s some photos of F-16s deploying flares for reference…

An 8th Tactical Fighter Wing F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft releases four flares as a countermeasure for heat-seeking missiles during Exercise TEAM SPIRIT'86
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... flares.jpg

An 8th Tactical Fighter Wing F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft releases a flare as a countermeasure for heat-seeking missiles during Exercise TEAM SPIRIT'86
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... _flare.jpg

F-16 dispensing countermeasures in a simulated defensive maneuver
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image ... Poland.jpg

Most objections I’ve seen to the flares hypothesis seem to center around the reported size and silence of the “object” however in this same article the original witness (a self proclaimed “experienced” observer) confirms he DID hear the jets…

Steve Allen, a pilot, was one of three men who first went public with their sightings to the local newspaper. Wednesday's military news release answers none of his questions, he said.

The Brownwood Military Operating Area is not close enough to Stephenville to explain what he saw, Mr. Allen said. And pilots are supposed to perform training exercises at high altitude, he said. What he saw happened near the ground.

He said he and his friends first spotted a row of glowing spheres that silently changed formation before vanishing. A few minutes later, they saw two more glowing spheres, with military jets in hot pursuit.

"They were on the deck and with the pedal down," he said.

Mr. Allen said that he had no trouble hearing the roar from the jets when they appeared, but he had heard nothing from the glowing lights before that.

He seems to have backed away somewhat from his original claim of a mile long (by half mile wide) “ship” at 3,500 ft. traveling at 3,000 MPH as reported in this January 10th article here…

Possible UFO sighting
http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2 ... news02.txt

Who knows, sounds like it could have been misinterpreted flares and numerous F-16s flying around to me…

[shrug]

P.S. It should be noted the NE corner of the Brownwood MOA passes though the town of Dublin which is ~12 miles SW of Stephenville and the original witness was in Selden ~9 miles SE of Stephenville…

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Postby lost_shaman » Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:28 pm

Access Denied wrote:On the other hand, I think this explanation first offered on January 16th by a Fort Worth medical helicopter pilot who believes he saw flares on January 10th in the area just two days after the initial “sighting” on January 8th is worthy of further consideration…

(Snip -l_s)


True but given that estimating distances of objects in the sky at night is highly subject to error (does a star for example actually *look* like it’s 100s of light years away?) it’s possible the witnesses simply misjudged the “object’s” distance and altitude. How can anyone be sure the flares weren’t actually dropped over the MOA and only appeared to be much closer to Stephenville due to their brightness?

(Snip - l_s)

Most objections I’ve seen to the flares hypothesis seem to center around the reported size and silence of the “object” however in this same article the original witness (a self proclaimed “experienced” observer) confirms he DID hear the jets…


Flares don't explain these sightings IMO. In fact "Flares" have become the new "Venus" to explain UFO/UAP observations just as "Venus" became the new "Weather balloons" to explain UFO/UAP observations just as "Weather balloons" replaced "Mass Hysteria" and "War Jitters" before that!

With that said there is absolutely no reason to attempt to convince people that observations that appear to be consistent with UAP that we know exist in the atmosphere are just "Flares" based on 'loose' associations.

I happen to live in the region not to far a drive from Sheppard AFB, and everyone around here sees Trainers and Fighters operating in this region all the time. One thing I can tell you that you will not see is these fighters using Flares or Countermeasures over Rural or Urban areas. I've seen lots of AF activity in my lifetime living in proximity to Sheppard AFB and other AF bases nearby and I've never once seen, or know of anyone who has seen, a Flare or Countermeasure Flare deployment. In fact it's more likely that you'd see an Aircraft go down in this region, which has happened on several occasions.

Honestly, I have to say that it doesn't surprise me at all that people posting on Bad Astronomy think the Air Force flies around this region all the time dropping "Flares" and 'us' poor 'backwoods' 'Alien Believers' think we've seen the 'Mothership'! :roll:

Maybe next time there is a rash of wildfires in California I'll just point out that a few people had seen UFOs/UAP that week and just propose that it was the Air Force dropping Flares in the region! I wonder how well that would go over? :shock:

Hmm... Maybe that explanation only works after the fact when there are no reported wildfires?

Considering the current drought in North and West Texas dropping 'Flares' of any kind seems incompetent at best, surely that isn't the case.

I'll rest that case for now, but keep in mind that the observations are not even consistent with 'Flares' of any type to begin with.
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Postby Access Denied » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:11 pm

lost-shaman wrote:Flares don't explain these sightings IMO. In fact "Flares" have become the new "Venus" to explain UFO/UAP observations just as "Venus" became the new "Weather balloons" to explain UFO/UAP observations just as "Weather balloons" replaced "Mass Hysteria" and "War Jitters" before that!

Oh come on LS, are you denying the fact that MOST (not all) sightings are attributable to misidentifications? If so, you obviously haven’t done your homework. :D

As far as flares go how many times have they been “used” to explain a sighting? I can only think of one case, the Phoenix Lights. Are you denying that’s what was seen in that case? (the later sighting/video picked up by the media, not the earlier lesser known one which was most likely a formation of aircraft at high altitude)

I know you can do better than this!

lost-shaman wrote:With that said there is absolutely no reason to attempt to convince people that observations that appear to be consistent with UAP that we know exist in the atmosphere are just "Flares" based on 'loose' associations.

Your first mistake in my opinion is that there’s anything “consistent” about this sighting. Again, the various witnesses contradict each other (and themselves). Your second mistake is assuming that anyone is trying to “convince” anyone of anything here… especially not the Air Force. 8)

lost-shaman wrote:I happen to live in the region not to far a drive from Sheppard AFB, and everyone around here sees Trainers and Fighters operating in this region all the time. One thing I can tell you that you will not see is these fighters using Flares or Countermeasures over Rural or Urban areas.

I see so then how do you explain the helicopter pilot who saw flares dropped in the area on January 10th? :roll:
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