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Ricky Sorrells story.....

Postby ScaRZ » Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:27 pm

I just began reading his story and wanted everyones thoughts on the subject.



UFO witness claims harassment


By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Sunday, February 3, 2008 3:11 PM CST







Ricky Sorrells is frustrated and a little angry.

Since his interview with the Associated Press, Sorrells has stayed quiet regarding the daytime UFO sightings on his property near Dublin.

And, there is more than one reason for his silence.

Sorrells believes military officials have been harassing him by flying military aircraft over his property at low altitudes, at all hours of the day and night. Sorrells runs livestock on his place and said the cattle don’t react well to the disturbances. It’s also been hard to get any sleep.

Sorrells made international news along with other witnesses on Jan. 14 after the Associated Press contacted him for his story and took video of the exact spot the UFO was seen along with Sorrells’ description of the object.

Not just once, but four times, he claims to have seen the massive flying object he estimates to be the length of “three or four football fields.” He said he’s not sure about the size because the first time he saw it was the best view. At that time, the craft hovered directly over him in the woods about 300 feet above his head and his view was blocked by tree branches.

“I don’t know why it keeps coming back here,” Sorrells said.

He’s convinced that someone representing himself as a Lt. Colonel knows what it is — and Sorrells wants an explanation.

He said the man contacted him by telephone on Jan. 15, one day after his interview with the Associated Press.

“I didn’t worry about writing his name down or taking notes,” Sorrells said. “I didn’t know what was about to happen. But, I think he said he was with the Air Force.”

Sorrells said the conversation started out nice enough.

“He was sort of nice to me right off,” Sorrells said. “He asked to come and talk to me.”

Sorrells said he told the man that he needed time to think about it and then, “He (the man) became really arrogant.”

The caller told Sorrells he wasn’t taking “no” for an answer and would be out to talk to him. Sorrells again tried to politely tell the man he did not wish to have company.

After that, Sorrells said the conversation became heated and he told the man not to cross his cattle guard.

Sorrells said the man responded with, “ Son, we have the same caliber weapons as you do but a lot more of them.”

Looking back, Sorrells said he believes the man was in his area but not able to pinpoint exactly where he lived because he recently built a new home.

“I actually got up and looked out my window to see if I could see someone at the cattle guard. So I said if he was who he said he was, why didn’t he stop flying over my air space with all those helicopters,” Sorrells said. “And he informed me that it was not my air space — it was his. He told me if I’d quit talking about what I saw he would stop the helicopters.”

Sorrells said since that conversation, the helicopters have quit flying over his property but the F-16s haven’t slowed.

Before the conversation took place with the suspected military officer Sorrells related a late night experience with a large transport helicopter and three smaller helicopters.

“I get up at 2:30 a.m. to go to work and these helicopters kept flying over and I couldn’t sleep,” Sorrells said. “Because it was about time to get up and go to work, I just got up and went outside to see what I could.”

Sorrells said he has a spotlight on his pickup that he uses to look for coyotes.

“I went to my truck and turned on the spotlight and shined it up at them,” Sorrells said. “It was so close, I could see the pilot’s reaction. He threw up his arm to block the light. He was in one of the smaller helicopters.

“Then he turned toward me and I still have the light on. I started to feel uncomfortable so I turned off the light and waved and went back inside. I was thinking I had pushed the envelope.”

To top that off, Sorrells said an acquaintance, whom he would not name, and formerly a member of the military, told him, “You need to shut your mouth about what you saw.”

Sorrells said he tried to pull the man aside and asked him to explain his statement.

“He just kept saying the same thing and wouldn’t explain,” Sorrells said. “ Now he won’t speak to me.”

Sorrells said because the helicopters disappeared, he now feels the gentlemen was actually a member of the military, and was high enough in rank that he was able to stop that type of air traffic.

“If it is a military craft the American people need to know,” Sorrells said. “A lot of people have seen things around here. I know what I saw and so do they.”

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Postby ScaRZ » Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:30 pm

More twists in the Sorrells' saga


By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Monday, February 4, 2008 11:19 AM CST







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Answers.

Ricky Sorrells just wants answers. And, in light of what he's been through, it doesn't seem to be a lot to ask.

Witnessing an unidentified flying object four times since the beginning of the new year, then having military aircraft whizzing over his land and disrupting his sleep and livestock, followed by a string of mysterious phone calls and in person encounters from individuals demanding he “shut up” about what he saw, and landing unexpectedly in the international spotlight, has taken a toll on the 37-year-old man accustomed to the simple life.

“If you told me a while back that I would be sitting here talking to you about UFOs I would have said, ‘No way, not in a million years,” Sorrells said. “ Now, I know for the rest of my life I'll keep looking to find out what it was.”

Sorrells said he is receiving a lot of support from family and friends helping him to keep an eye on things. He said that support has been a great help to him.

“I'm not going to freak out or anything,” Sorrells said. “I just think the government should come forward and help us to figure out this thing. I think people should write to their congressman or something.”

Sorrells said soon after his Associated Press interview went around the world in mid-January - not only was he allegedly contacted by a Lt. Colonel telling him to keep quiet about what he saw, he was also contacted by a woman named Linda Moulton Howe.

Howe's Web site touts: “Earthfiles is a crossroads where experts, eyewitnesses and viewers meet to share the latest updates in earth and astronomical mysteries, in-depth reports that go beyond the 6 o'clock news. Earthfiles reporter and editor, Linda Moulton Howe, is an Emmy Award-winning TV producer, investigative reporter and author who goes directly to the men and women at the forefront of science and environmental challenges and to firsthand eyewitnesses of high strangeness. Earthfiles.com received the 2006 W3 Silver Award for excellence in news category. Earthfiles.com also received the 2003 WebAward for Standard of Excellence and the 2000 Encyclopedia Britannica Award honoring Internet excellence.”

Sorrells said he vaguely remembered listening to her on a radio program years ago while on a road trip and her name clicked with him. It was the only familiar name he knew and she promised to do an investigation so he agreed not to talk to anyone else until she could make the trip from New Mexico. Howe arrived in Dublin last week and stayed with Sorrells and his family to conduct the investigation and left late last week.

“I told her everything I knew and showed her my property,” Sorrels said. “After she left, I felt I had honored my commitment with her. Things have settled down a little and I feel free to talk about the experiences I have had. I just didn't want to do anything that would interfere with her investigation because I want the truth.”

He said the last time he saw the object he was able to get a video on his camera phone and said he has seen some other “pretty good footage” taken by others.

One night Sorrells said he had four helicopters flying at such low altitude that when a spotlight was shined up at them from Sorrells' pickup he could see the pilot throw his arm up in front of his eyes to block the light. But there has been another strange occurrence recently on his property that leads him to believe the military is involved. It was an unexpected visitor about 1 a.m. who may have left something behind.

“I was in bed asleep,” Sorrells said. “I keep my bird dogs on the east side of my house and three others on the west side. The black lab doesn't bark until someone comes across the cattle guard and the Catahoula doesn't bark until she actually sees someone. They were all barking so I got up to see what was going on.”

Sorrells said he walked to his bedroom window and looked out to the top of his driveway - he saw someone.

“I went around the bed and grabbed my rifle,” Sorrells said.

His family was still sleeping, so with one hand on his gun and one hand on his backdoor knob, he peered through the window of the door to see if he could spot the intruder again.

“He had positioned himself in between the car and the pickup 40 to 50 feet from my back door,” Sorrells said. “He stood staring at me rocking back and forth. I didn't think his feet were moving but the next morning when looking at his tracks I could tell they were.”

Sorrels said it was cold and misting rain and it was obvious the guy was “dressed for the elements with a heavy parka-like coat.”

He said he strained to see if the man carried a gun but could not see one but could clearly see the face of someone he thought to be in his late 20s or early 30s judging from the way he “walked and acted.”

“I'm trying to decide whether or not to open the door,” Sorrells said. “We're just standing there face to face looking at each other. I'm thinking he's dressed for the elements and the dogs are raising such a ruckus he must know he's in danger of being caught. That's when I realized he wanted me to see him.”

Sorrells said the trespasser had positioned himself in such a way he decided he could be vulnerable if opened his door. He thought of his family and then the man slowly turned and walked into the woods.

“He walked through an area where I'd cleared the brush so apparently he'd been there before because he knew where to go,” Sorrells said.

Sorrells said shortly after the unwelcome caller disappeared the dogs calmed down and he stayed up the rest of the night to keep watch.

Later, when walking through the woods on his property with Howe, he decided to return to a bare spot where his property line ends at a fence.

“It is washed out there and I like to go there to look for deer and turkey tracks.” Sorrells said. He said he's an avid hunter and keeps abreast of the wildlife on his place. He said he had not been to this particular spot in about a month.

“The first thing I saw was a man's footprint,” Sorrells said. “Ms. Howe videotaped me putting my foot beside it. The sun was going down and I saw something shiny.”

Sorrells said he walked over and picked up a bullet - a shiny new 25-06 Remington - with some dotted tarnished smudges.

“I think the man that I saw that night dropped this bullet and the tarnished spots are from the misting rain that night,” Sorrells said. “ I just think it was the military showing me they could get to me if they wanted to.”

Sorrells said he just doesn't think a hunter poaching on his property would've dropped the bullet. He said he doesn't have trouble with poachers. While he knows there is no way to prove it could have been from the same man it's something he keeps mulling over. Sorrells returned home with the bullet in hand and took it apart to look at the powder to see if he could glean any information at all. A local gun and ammunition authority said there was no way to identify if such a bullet was from a military source.

“Talking about military powder is like talking about military gasoline,” he said. “There is no difference.”

Meanwhile, Sorrells said he and other witnesses are considering setting up a Web site to encourage people to do what they can to influence government participation in finding out about the curious, sometimes frightening, sightings.

“I've heard that other countries are releasing information on what they know,” Sorrells said. “We're thinking of calling it (the site) ‘Stephenville Lights.' Too many people have seen something not to try and continue finding out about it. We want to know what it was.”
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Re: Ricky Sorrells story.....

Postby Access Denied » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:30 pm

ScaRZ wrote:I just began reading his story and wanted everyones thoughts on the subject.

Hi ScaRZ, now that LMH and James Fox are promoting this and he has the local reporter (Angelia Joiner who just joined OM) in his pocket, I strongly suspect this whole “flap” was an organized publicity stunt/hoax from the beginning… either that or the poor guy has completely lost his marbles. One big red flag is his statement that out of the four times he claims the mile long “ship” hovered over his house, the only time he got video of it on his cell phone was when it (surprise, surprise) looks exactly like a nondescript light in the sky… awfully convenient don’t you think?

That said, there remains a slight chance that he and others in the town who simply saw something they couldn’t explain (e.g. an unusual formation of flares perhaps) are victims of opportunistic UFOlogists who are planting sensationalistic conspiracy ideas in their heads as this quote may indicate…

To top that off, Sorrells said an acquaintance, whom he would not name, and formerly a member of the military, told him, “You need to shut your mouth about what you saw.”

Sorrells said he tried to pull the man aside and asked him to explain his statement.

“He just kept saying the same thing and wouldn’t explain,” Sorrells said. “ Now he won’t speak to me.”

Could that be because he’s ruining the credibility of others?

At any rate, at this point all we have is a story and until such time as some solid evidence is presented (e.g. photos/video/names as opposed to mysterious unidentified callers and such) it’s not worth pursuing…
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Re: Ricky Sorrells story.....

Postby ryguy » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:00 pm

Access Denied wrote:That said, there remains a slight chance that he and others in the town who simply saw something they couldn’t explain (e.g. an unusual formation of flares perhaps) are victims of opportunistic UFOlogists who are planting sensationalistic conspiracy ideas in their heads as this quote may indicate…


That's the only problem I have with the story. His detailing of events don't strike me as coming from someone who is exaggerating or lying. I believe that he saw what he describes. The problem arises immediately after he talks to the local mainstream media. There are folks who monitor nationwide media for sightings - and immediately pounce on the individual - and then draw them into the same web of disinformation and commercialization that we've seen time and time again.

Also, that's not a comment against LMH...she's a UFO investigator doing what she believes to be a public service (maybe making a buck or two in the process...everyone has to eat I suppose) - but the problems come from who's been feeding her "intel"...most of which turns out to be contrived and false.

So any "experiencer" like this poor guy, who experienced something very real, and probably very traumatic - is now inundated with overwhelming "data" from poor sources. I would question the authenticity and true identity of every single source who contacted him after he went public. That includes the cloak-and-dagger idiot alleged "Lt. Colonel" who harassed him.

Most folks who see these things in the sky aren't aware of the history behind most of the UFO personalities who contact them following their going public. Unfortunately they learn later that getting mixed up with them ends up ruining any credibility they might have previously had if they had simply avoided the non-scientific "believer" crowd in the first place.

But this is how it's worked for years...I don't see it changing any time soon.

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Postby ScaRZ » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:11 pm

I think the guy saw something,but what it was I have no idea and neither does he. I don't believe he has set out to pull a hoax. Now could he be used by others to build a story that would sound much better than it was?.......CERTAINLY.

Many times to me these stories of UFO sightings appear like someone wants them to be talked about as ET in origin. Maybe someone is throwing a curve ball to keep us off the fastball.
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Postby ScaRZ » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:32 pm

It looks like Angelia Joiner was fired this morning from her job. She had given them a two week notice after they wanted her to drop the UFO stories. This morning when she went to work they had confiscated her computer and told her to pack up and leave.
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Postby caleban » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:35 am

Sorrells said he walked over and picked up a bullet - a shiny new 25-06 Remington

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Sorrells returned home with the bullet in hand and took it apart to look at the powder to see if he could glean any information at all. A local gun and ammunition authority said there was no way to identify if such a bullet was from a military source.


This is strange. The 25-06 started life as a wildcat round, necking down the 30-06 to 25 caliber. And this makes it a "Delta L problem" cartridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_L_problem

It is not, nor ever will be a military round, bringing into question the "local gun and ammunition authority". It is a possible cartridge for a young deer hunter, or your wife, who would not normally like the recoil of more reliable deer cartridges, but most prefer the .243 winchester for that purpose. On the plains, its primary use would be coyotes, or lesser game with long, flat trajectory shots. (It is, however, a loud and hard-kicking varmint cartridge.)
If the round is factory or "professionally" reloaded, the bullet will be 120 grain and the powder will be Hodgdon 4831. Otherwise, the advantage of this cartridge over other competitors is all talk and no walk.

OK, confess my ignorance. Who is Angelia Joiner ?
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Postby ScaRZ » Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:47 am

caleban wrote: Who is Angelia Joiner ?


She is the Staff Writer for the top two articles on this thread for the Empire Tribune.
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Postby caleban » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:27 am

ScaRZ,

Thank you very much. Given the CAPS in the third line of your
first post, you had an opportunity for a rough answer to me.
But I actually did not see it. Long habit of filtering author
attributions unless needed for reference.
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Postby ryguy » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:52 am

ScaRZ wrote:It looks like Angelia Joiner was fired this morning from her job. She had given them a two week notice after they wanted her to drop the UFO stories. This morning when she went to work they had confiscated her computer and told her to pack up and leave.


As we always do - we attempted to verify the story first, to get the entire story, not only one side. We contacted the newspaper...and they confirmed only what they could legally confirm, that Angelia is, in fact, no longer with the paper. That part is true. They refused to provide a public statement in response to her allegations for legal reasons, which makes sense.

However - they also advised to "be careful what you allow to be posted on your Web site about the perceived unfair treatment Ms. Joiner allegedly received from this company."

We assured them that we would never post such a statement from an ex-employee without confirming the accuracy/truth of those allegations first. We also directed her to the forum that was actually the one currently publicly publishing Angelia's allegations.

That's the latest on that story...I'm sure there's much more that remains untold. Any other site out there that intends to publish such allegations may want to tread carefully. You heard it here first - don't say you weren't warned.

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Postby ScaRZ » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:55 am

caleban wrote: Given the CAPS in the third line of your
first post, you had an opportunity for a rough answer to me.


I take no pleasure in rough answers to anyone. I can only hope others feel the same. :D
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Postby IgnoreTheFacts » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:03 pm

I wonder who answers her old extension now, lol.

254-965-3124 ext. 238

This whole thing does not stand up to even moderate critical thinking. Sad. Now I know some may get on here and claim "critical thinking" is hard for the participant to do in such a situation....but I only give that ignorant statment credit when there is but a single event, never to be repeated.

This whole thing is nothing more than another exampleof how stupid Ufology has become, and how ignorant/stupid those that follow it can be.
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Postby IgnoreTheFacts » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:03 pm

double post.......mib are trying to make me look like an ignorant fool so they can make it easier for folks to discredit me. Damn mib.
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Postby ryguy » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:10 pm

I agree completely.

Any researcher with a true "Open Mind" will always consider every possibility, without making a conclusion about any possibility until it has been verified beyond all doubt.

The Ricky/Angelia case is a perfect case study of the "believer" mind-set.

A story is told by a reporter, in general, that she was released by her employer because she was reporting about UFO's. Now - this story fits perfectly into the foregone conclusion that the government/air force works actively, both overtly and covertly, to "shut down" UFO news stories. Therefore, without any sort of fact-checking, the WTBB (wind-tunnel brain believers) accept the story without question.

The true open-minded researcher however - does quite the opposite. He/she considers the various possibilities. A couple (but there could certainly be more) immediately come to mind.

(1) Ricky and Angelia see an opportunity in the local UFO sighting flap to write a book about what Ricky has seen, and split profits. Hence begins the publicity campaign to create a plotline that the government/Air Force is actively attempting to "shut down" Angelia from telling the story. The book gets written...intrigue and suspence is palpable, book sales are astronomical. Score one for Ufology. (Negative one).

(2) Ricky and Angelia are telling the truth. The government/Air Force pressured the newspaper into firing Angelia because of the UFO stories she's written about the Texas sightings. She has decided to tell her story on the internet.

Then comes the assigning of probabilities.

There is one aspect to this story that I find odd - newspaper staff writers don't decide what gets published. They write the stories, which are then edited, and then approved for publication. If anyone had any issue with the stories, they never would have been published.

In either case, I get the sense that Ricky is telling the truth about his ordeal and the things that he saw and experienced.

The other side of the verification process, by the way, and just as important - is to track down the Air Force activities in this story, determine if/when such actions were taken toward the news company, and hold those officials accountable for their cover-up activities.

We have a contact down in Texas who has some high-level AF clearances. Haven't spoken to him in ages, but we'll check with him shortly and see what he can find.

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Postby ScaRZ » Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:54 pm

I agree with your post Ryan,very wise words. Many times we jump while we should study over the leep or we could take a deep plunge.
There are always two sides to every story and many times our first impressions turn out to have flaws.

How do we know why she was fired?.....We only heard one side.
Why didn't they fire her right off instead of as she implied accepted her two week notice?
It was also implied that she was to move forward and leave the UFO coverage behind. This in my opinion may have been the reason she was let go if she continue down that road.
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