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Postby murnut » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:59 pm

What I read From Ms. Joiners's post was that her editor asked her to stop writing so many UFO stories.

She apparently did not like that and offered her 2 week resignation.

When she came in the next day, they told her to leave.

I have offered my 2 week on many occasions, every time I was told to leave now.

I am not in the newsapaer business, but it is not actually shocking that they told her to leave, at least to me.

She could have retained her job by not resigning in the first place.

I sympathize with her, she stood up for what she thought was right, and I am not privy to all the details. Much is supposition on my part.

She seems like a credible writer and I wish her the best.

I see nothing wrong if she wants to right a book.

I do not believe she is manufacturing a story.

Things happen for a reason and I am hopeful she will land on her feet.

She could maybe talk to her ex-boss, and say it was a misunderstanding and ask for her job back if she wanted to.

Part of this is specualtion on my part, and I wish her the best
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Postby ryguy » Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:03 am

Great points murnut. And it certainly can only be speculation until any details are actually known for certain.

The lingering question I have is where the request came from to stop writing UFO stories. A number of folks don't appreciate those kind of "fringe" stories in a paper that considers themselves mainstream. So there's the possibility this may simply have been an editorial decision that the paper did not want an overwhelming number of stories written on the fringe subject.

On the other hand - there's always the possibility the Air Force "leaned" on local newspapers to stop running stories about the sightings. As murnut points out - either way it's total speculation until we know more.

As far as writing a book - I agree, I wouldn't hold it against her either - as long as it isn't written under false pretenses. This is a major problem in the field/subject of ufology.

However, all of that aside - the major issue here at the moment is that she was claiming unfair treatment by her employer, and that point of view was published without verification as to its truth and/or accuracy - prematurely dragging the good name of the newspaper through the mud. And that is something that can get people dragged into court. It's also poor research methodology.

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Postby ryguy » Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:09 am

Article on the subject by Steve Hammons. While Managing Editor Sara Vanden Berge wouldn't respond immediately to Steve - she did write again to us late last week thanking RU for using "good sense" in this matter.

We'll be forwarding her this recent speculative piece, with the name and contact information for the owner of the American Chronicle, and asking her again to provide a public statement to set the record straight on the matter. As long as they remain silent - it appears people will continue to call it censorship.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/51832

Local reporter on Texas UFO case leaves newspaper; integrity of local, national news media explored

By Steve Hammons
February 09, 2008

The local newspaper reporter in Stephenville, Texas, who helped cover a UFO sighting case there is no longer working at the Stephenville Empire-Tribune newspaper, effective last Thursday, Feb. 7.

Journalist Angelia Joiner had been covering the UFO story which broke early in January and brought national and international news media representatives and researchers to Stephenville, other nearby small towns and the surrounding region.

Mainstream media such as the Associated Press, CNN and other major TV networks and newspapers covered the incident with great interest. The international press also paid special attention to the UFO sightings in Stephenville and towns in the area.

Media personalities such as CNN's Larry King and NBC's Today show host Matt Lauer explored the sightings on their shows.

In Stephenville, Joiner was a staff writer at the small-town newspaper there. She did an excellent job of researching and interviewing local residents who were surprised, curious and concerned about the very unusual objects they reportedly saw.

As national and international interest in the case grew in January, Joiner was contacted for information as the reporter on the scene with some of the best knowledge of the local community.

Her articles helped inform not only local residents who relied on professional reporting for their community, but also assisted other Americans and people internationally understand that Stephenville people and residents in the area were down-to-Earth, solid and of good character.

The factual and level-headed journalism Joiner provided helped the national news media understand and respect the citizens in these communities. This resulted in some of the most serious and credible reporting in the national media on such an incident in recent memory.

The AP article was carried in hundreds of papers and news outlets. People like Larry King and Matt Lauer talked about the subject with intelligence and open minds.

All these outcomes were related in part to the high level of credibility of local witnesses who were courageous enough to come forward and the professionalism of local reporter Joiner and her colleagues in the national and international news media.

However, some of these witnesses and Joiner seem to be paying a price for doing their civic duty and communicating about an incident that appeared to be very significant, and could even have affected the public safety of the communities in the area.

CENSORSHIP AND "NEED TO KNOW"

According to information obtained for this report, management at the Stephenville Empire-Tribune did not want further coverage in the paper of the sightings by local citizens of something that appeared to be highly unusual. Pressures may have been placed on newspaper management to discontinue articles on the subject.

According to the newspaper's Web site, "The Stephenville Empire-Tribune is a mid-morning paper published six days a week by Erath Publishers, Inc., a Consolidated Southwest Media company which is owned by American Consolidated Media. The Empire-Tribune is a member of the Associated Press, Texas Press Association, West Texas Press Association and the Inland Press Association."

Publisher Rochelle Stidham and Managing Editor Sara Vanden Berge were contacted for their comments for this report but did not immediately respond.

Did the paper's management face pressures to end coverage of the UFO sighting by a local peace officer, respected businessman and pilot and reportedly dozens of other local citizens? Did they back away from accounts of local citizens who said they were apparently being threatened for talking about what they saw?

Is this a case of media censorship or self-censorship and political correctness? Is it about professional courage and moral integrity? And, can the newspaper now be trusted by the community to cover important aspects of public health and safety, local political activities and other sometimes sensitive topics?

These seem to be questions for the citizens who read and subscribe to the paper and advertisers who use that newspaper.

The corporate owners of the Empire-Tribune (Consolidated Southwest Media, American Consolidated Media) and the professional news and journalism organizations with which the paper is affiliated (Associated Press, Texas Press Association, West Texas Press Association, Inland Press Association) might also want to review developments there.

As for the former reporter Joiner who had covered the concerns and accounts of local citizens so professionally, life goes on.

She appears to be confident that she did the best job she could have for her community as a responsible local journalist who realized something important had happened to her fellow citizens, neighbors and friends.

"I appreciate the opportunity I have had at the newspaper," Joiner said. "A story of this magnitude drained the limited resources a small newspaper has. I performed my other duties to the best of my ability."

Even as the national and international media interest calmed down somewhat, other ominous developments were occurring in the Stephenville area.

A local resident stated he had been received threatening phone calls and threats of implied bodily harm or death for talking publicly about what he saw.

An intruder had also appeared on his rural property at 1 a.m., causing the resident to be concerned about the safety of his family.

See my Feb. 7 article: "Texas UFO witnesses threatened for talking to media?"

As Joiner was covering this more serious aspect of the UFO sighting case (in articles published Feb. 3 and Feb. 4) which appeared to be a law enforcement and criminal matter affecting public safety, she was reportedly told by newspaper management to back off.

"My directions were to move on to something else," Joiner said.

The reason given to Joiner for this was, "because our readership had grown tired of the UFO stories."

However, Joiner was still a contact person and resource for community residents, researchers, news media representatives and others.

While trying to obey management's directives to cover topics other than the UFO sightings and related developments, Joiner said, "It was a difficult task to achieve. I was still receiving a surprising number of e-mails and phone calls on the subject."

"I tried to direct those calls and interviews to after hours or during lunch hours. And I forwarded e-mails to my home so that I would not be giving newspaper time to the subject. I honestly tried to do as they had asked."

The apparent irregularities and journalistic priorities of what was starting to emerge at the Empire-Tribune probably also started to dawn on Joiner as she realized things were not going in a good direction at the paper.

She gave her two-week notice, then was told to leave immediately.

"I had given notice when I realized my boss was unhappy with my performance, but was unexpectedly asked to pack my things and leave Thursday," she said.

Joiner apparently felt that people in her community had "a need to know" about what was going on when respectable citizens came forward with their accounts and subsequent serious incidents reportedly involved the safety of and threats to a local family.

GOING FORWARD

The Stephenville UFO sighting incident is not the first and will not be the last. The responses by local and regional public safety officials to such incidents have also occurred before, and will again. Local, national and international news media professionals are also part of the picture, past, present and future.

Americans wearing the military uniform of our country and our intelligence professionals are certainly also parts of the puzzle involving UFOs and how our society deals with an apparently sensitive and complex situation. Their respect and support for good American citizens will remain crucial in the days ahead.

Many of the residents of the Stephenville region are just such good Americans. Reporter Joiner knew this because she knows the people of her community.

Local journalists typically work on topics involving all kinds of community activities: the local schools and hospitals, area peace officers and public safety personnel, businesses and employers, civic groups and organizations. And when they do, reporters often feel a sense of responsibility to do their best for their neighbors and their communities.

This works in reverse too, at the local and national levels. Our newspapers, TV and radio media, Web-based news and other similar information platforms are sometimes only as good as the standards we expect of them, and the support we give to honorable and ethical journalists.

Like the old saying, "In a democracy, citizens get the government they deserve," the same can be said about our news media. We get the newspapers and news media we demand, deserve and support.

If we continue along a path of the "dumbing down" of Americans, as many have alleged, the fabric of our communities and our nation may deteriorate.

If we search for truth, integrity and honor within ourselves, our media and our government officials, we may just find that too.

The citizens of the Stephenville region, and all the rest of us, must decide about the directions we want to take. Do we want to continue being dumbed down? Do we want to stick our head in the sand and close our eyes?

Or, do we want greater respect as American citizens and intelligent human beings who have the ability to understand sensitive, complex and, yes, even highly unusual and unexpected situations?

When events occur that affect public health and safety, public information, our rights and responsibilities as citizens, what are our roles and those of our institutions such as local and national government and the news media?

These are questions that, it appears, must be faced and dealt with if our communities, our society and our nation will continue to thrive.



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Postby Zep Tepi » Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:00 am

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Postby Access Denied » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:27 am

Excellent work Ryan! As you pointed out, the best to way to discover the truth is to get both sides of the story before making up your mind.

Some clues that there may be more to this story then some have been led to believe I think can be found in the following quotes from Ms. Joiner’s first post on OM (presumably while she was still working for the paper)…

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/inde ... 1202344892

I can tell you, I've spent a lot of time with this man, in person and on the phone, and I believe every word he's spoken. He [Sorrells] came to visit me at the office at least two weeks before I did the stories about him. He wasn't interested in doing a story at that time because he felt he'd really been burned by the Associated Press. He wasn't wise in the ways of the media but that's another story.

It’s not clear to me why he felt “burned” by the AP and why Ms. Joiner felt that was because he was naive. Does Ms. Joiner feel what she did (going against her employer’s wishes not to get involved) was any “wiser”? Ms. Joiner continues…

He came to warn me. He felt I might be in danger and though we had never met or spoken before, he wanted me to tell me to be careful. (The AP story was the only interview he did until I ran the stories this past weekend.) After speaking with Constable Gaiten he felt comfortable approaching me even though I was "the press." In this line of work, I have become fairly friendly with law enforcement so the constable told him I could be trusted and he wanted me to be warned, also.

Anybody know where I can find the AP story about Sorrells referred to here? Also, I find it a little odd that the Constable [another alleged witness] would send him to the press if he truly felt Sorrells was in danger. At the very least I would think he should have gone with him and gone on the record to support him assuming he had completed a police report to document the alleged harassment? Ms. Joiner continues…

He [Sorrells] has taken some heat from his employer, a nationally known corporate business, that is not sure they like someone in the business associated with something like this. That is why I didn't print anything about where or who he works for. He got called to the "big office" and that' s all I'll say about that.

For a professional [?] journalist, this seems like a fairly strong allegation to make publicly. Is this based solely on something Sorrells said to her or did she contact his employer? Ms. Joiner continues…

While I truly appreciated the concern for me I told him nobody with the military would contact me because they know I would write about it

And, they haven't contacted me. I also told him that I thought the more press he got the better off he would be because if anything happened to him fingers would be pointed in the right direction. "They" wouldn't want that..

Apparently Ms. Joiner thinks “they” are the military? Perhaps she herself has rushed to judgment? As discussed earlier in this thread, where’s the evidence that it was the military who was harassing him and not some UFO nuts for example?

I also find this statement by Steve Hammons a little misleading…

All these outcomes were related in part to the high level of credibility of local witnesses who were courageous enough to come forward and the professionalism of local reporter Joiner and her colleagues in the national and international news media.

Has Hammons forgotten about the article Ms. Joiner published about this “credible” witness as discussed in this earlier thread here…

STEPHENVILLE, TX - Rash of UFO Sightings
http://www.realityuncovered.com/forum/v ... php?t=1115

ryguy wrote:Here's another article in the local paper for the town:

http://www.empiretribune.com/articles/2008/01/14/news/news01.txt

This is the good stuff.

UFO witnessed in Cleburne by expert

By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Monday, January 14, 2008 9:47 AM CST

Jason Greywolf Leigh, an expert on UFOs and a resident of Cleburne, will go on the air tonight at 10 p.m. CDT, for the Canadian station http://xzone-radio.com hosted by Rob McConnell to discuss the sighting so many in the area witnessed the evening of Jan. 8.

But the best part is Leigh witnessed the same event from Cleburne in the east-northeast sky and had already started documenting his account before he saw the Empire-Tribune article on Jan. 10.

“I sent him (McConnell) an email Tuesday night after my sighting, or two days before I was contacted by Councilman Murphy about the sightings there,” Leigh said. “It adds more credence to not only that of your people's sighting, but to mine as well!”

Leigh is well known for having filmed the June 11, 1995, daytime footage of a UFO over Cleburne. He said it is rated as one of the top 5 films of UFOs in the world and is extremely rare because it occurred in the light of day.

Apparently Ms. Joiner didn’t do her homework on this “UFO expert”...

Access Denied wrote:Apparently the guy in the January 14th article you quoted Ryan who “confirmed” the sighting may have some “issues”…

"Dr. Jason Leigh" crashes in Waco - big time!
http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/mar/d10-001.shtml

"Dr. Jason Leigh," a self-promoted UFO expert associated with the Roswell Intl. UFO Museum, made big news in Waco, Texas, on Sunday by crashing his truck into a Veteran Administration building and holding police at bay for 14 hours.

I imagine that could be considered a little embarrassing for the paper.

At any rate, it has been interesting to watch this story progress… it seems quite a lot of folks are willing to take this all on faith and so desperately want to believe that any news is good news…

As I said in the other thread, perhaps the “true believers” need to be more careful what they wish for. In the end, judging by the way this has been handled so far with everybody and their brother jumping on the bandwagon so to speak, all this publicity may be doing more harm than good for their “cause”.

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Postby ScaRZ » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:35 pm

Access Denied wrote:Excellent work Ryan! As you pointed out, the best to way to discover the truth is to get both sides of the story before making up your mind.


I agree with these words strongly. The only problem is if you are only hearing one side, how can we weigh it? The Stephenville Empire-Tribune newspaper hasn't entered the arena as of this time.
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Postby Access Denied » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:10 pm

Eaxctly, I think you raised some excellent points here...

ScaRZ wrote:How do we know why she was fired?.....We only heard one side.
Why didn't they fire her right off instead of as she implied accepted her two week notice?
It was also implied that she was to move forward and leave the UFO coverage behind. This in my opinion may have been the reason she was let go if she continue down that road.

Right, she didn’t say why they confiscated her computer…I find it hard to believe she doesn’t know.

ScaRZ wrote:If I refuse to do as I'm instructed by my boss no matter how wrong I believe him/her to be then more than likely I'm going to be shown the door.

Amen, I don't understand why others are whining about it... I don't really see Ms. Joiner complaining about it do you? It all seems a little too contrived…

I sure hope somebody didn’t pay her or otherwise encourage her to perform this stunt. The second article you posted pretty much read like an advertisement for Linda Moulton Howe’s web site. :roll:
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Postby lost_shaman » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:15 pm

Access Denied wrote:This is the good stuff.

UFO witnessed in Cleburne by expert

By ANGELIA JOINER Staff Writer
Monday, January 14, 2008 9:47 AM CST

Jason Greywolf Leigh, an expert on UFOs and a resident of Cleburne, will go on the air tonight at 10 p.m. CDT, for the Canadian station http://xzone-radio.com hosted by Rob McConnell to discuss the sighting so many in the area witnessed the evening of Jan. 8.

But the best part is Leigh witnessed the same event from Cleburne in the east-northeast sky and had already started documenting his account before he saw the Empire-Tribune article on Jan. 10.

“I sent him (McConnell) an email Tuesday night after my sighting, or two days before I was contacted by Councilman Murphy about the sightings there,” Leigh said. “It adds more credence to not only that of your people's sighting, but to mine as well!”

Leigh is well known for having filmed the June 11, 1995, daytime footage of a UFO over Cleburne. He said it is rated as one of the top 5 films of UFOs in the world and is extremely rare because it occurred in the light of day.

Apparently Ms. Joiner didn’t do her homework on this “UFO expert”...

Access Denied wrote:Apparently the guy in the January 14th article you quoted Ryan who “confirmed” the sighting may have some “issues”…

"Dr. Jason Leigh" crashes in Waco - big time!
http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/mar/d10-001.shtml

"Dr. Jason Leigh," a self-promoted UFO expert associated with the Roswell Intl. UFO Museum, made big news in Waco, Texas, on Sunday by crashing his truck into a Veteran Administration building and holding police at bay for 14 hours.

I imagine that could be considered a little embarrassing for the paper.



Actually it was Mark Murphy, Stephenville City Council member, who didn't do his homework and asked Mr. Leigh for his 'expertise'.

It maybe that it's the Stephenville City Council who's embarrassed.

"When Murphy went to his computer looking for UFO information, he found Leigh's Web site selling UFO books and CDs and unknowingly asked for his expertise.

Leigh wound up quoted in an Associated Press video story sent worldwide and also on NBC Weekend. The Stephenville newspaper, the Empire-Tribune, called him an "expert on UFOs."

Murphy said he regrets calling Leigh."


http://www.star-telegram.com/news/colum ... 31944.html


Also, to add insult to injury, in the article quoted above it is pointed out that after the Stephenville City Council created the situation by inviting 'UFOlogists' and News Crews to come to Town they asked the neighboring town of Dublin to host the 'event', where Dublin subsequently made out like a bandit financially while Stephenville got left out !!!
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Postby ryguy » Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:26 pm

lost_shaman wrote:Leigh wound up quoted in an Associated Press video story sent worldwide and also on NBC Weekend. The Stephenville newspaper, the Empire-Tribune, called him an "expert on UFOs."

Murphy said he regrets calling Leigh."


Tis the problem when mainstream folks, never before involved in the field of ufology, contact the first, most publicized and commercialized group they can find.

Unfortunately - there's no "certification" for being a ufology researcher...it's pretty much a free-for-all, with no real qualifications required....and the results show it.

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Postby lost_shaman » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:21 pm

ryguy wrote:Tis the problem when mainstream folks, never before involved in the field of ufology, contact the first, most publicized and commercialized group they can find.

Unfortunately - there's no "certification" for being a ufology researcher...it's pretty much a free-for-all, with no real qualifications required....and the results show it.

-Ry


I agree. The General population is immediately confronted by a tidal wave of nonsense and mythology the second they decide to take a peek into the UFO Phenomena for themselves! Is it any wonder that a majority of the 'B.S.' we hear about gets 'regurgitated' year after year by people 'new' to the subject?

Then think of how many people feel animosity towards the subject after being 'jilted', like Mr. Murphy or Ms. Joiner!
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Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:55 am

Well let me be the first to tell everyone that we can all rest easy, as Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd & Exopolitics Radio are also jumping on the bandwagon:

Hi All - I have been in communication with reporter Angelia Joiner on
the issues surrounding her firing for reporting on the Stephenville, TX
sightings and the harassment of witnesses.

http://www.exopoliticsinstitute.org/Exo ... lert-1.htm

EXOPOLITICS RADIO will be broadcasting a special program on Feb. 23,
2008 on the impact on First Amendment rights of the Stephenville
sightings, as at least two individuals including Angelia and an
employee of the Cato Institute were fired as well for reporting on the
phenomena.

Our guest will be Dr. Michael Salla, Director of the Exopolitics
Institute, who will discuss this latest apparent example of press
censorship and violation of First Amendment rights surrounding the
reporting of Extraterrestrial and UFO issues.

Angelia Joiner was invited to join in the program. Angelia indicated
that she "never intended to become the story - just the teller of the
story," and is focusing now on putting her life together and getting a
job after a traumatic incident.

Please be sure and listen in on the program, in which we will suggest
a program of action that we can undertake to secure our First
Amendment Rights around ET/UFO issues.


On your knees one and all... we must pay some respect, as we are clearly watching a new UFO legend being born. :roll: What is even worse is that the First Amendment Rights of those friendly aliens who want to cooperate with us are also being trounced upon! If anyone would sue the US GOV over an alien's 1st amendment rights it would be Alfie...who is a Canuckian! :shock: Don't forget the ExoPo motto: "Bush is a criminal...all truths come back to this".

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Postby ScaRZ » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:00 pm

Angelia Joiner now has a web site.

http://www.stephenvillelights.com/


Ricky Sorrells is visited again – Feb. 9

“It was about an hour after the sun went down, maybe 7 or 7:30 p.m. I was coming back from the store in Dublin. When I crossed my cattle guard I looked past my big oak tree and there it was about a mile away. The lights were erratic – red, blue and green and then they kind of combined and made a white light that glowed. I stopped and rolled down my window and yelled at it. I told it to ‘Leave me alone!’ I went ahead and went up my driveway and got out. I looked and it was still there. I just went in the house and shut the door because I really didn’t want to see it anymore.”
When questioned further, Sorrells said he couldn’t determine how high it was because of the darkness. This was his first night time sighting -- the other four visits were daytime. He said, “It was higher than the trees by a large margin so it was way above 300 feet.”
Sorrells also reported military aircraft in his area the night before the sighting of Friday, Feb. 8.
“Nine F-16s flew over in a definite grid pattern,” Sorrells said. “They have an idea of where this thing is.”
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Postby Sys_Config » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:39 am

Outstanding work I
You are doing a great service for all of us..Those in between facts seem to go missing and I am so happy you found them.
I expect a real time of it this year with some these flaps and the people behind them.
Thanx for staying focused and on it..
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