Malmstrom AFB Missile/UFO Incident, March 1967

[ComfortablyNumb]

I'd like to ask a question if I may. Please indulge my ignorance if it's a dead topic.

Has anything been done to try and locate the injured guard that Sallas claims was injured and medivaked?

I phoned my security guard. He said that the man who had approached the UFO had not been injured seriously but was being evacuated by helicopter to the base.

http://www.nicap.org/malmstrom67-2.htm

Couldn't that guard be identified?
Would there be a log book for the helicopter?
A record of the medical treatment he was given?

If it could be shown that there was no helicopter flight out of the base at the time of the incident as Sallas reports it, would it have any implications for the validity of the story?(Not that I believe the story told by Sallas has any credibility.)

Is the injured guard a worthy line of enquire?

Thanks in advance if you take the time to read and reply.

[Access Denied]

Good question, seems this poor fellow ought to be fairly easy to track down as well...

“It turned out that at least one security policeman was so frightened by this encounter that he never again returned to security duty.”

[astrophotographer]

I agree. Injuries and psychological effects are not things to be taken lightly. They would be mentioned somewhere and certainly not hushed up. The lack of any mention anywhere about such a problem seems to indicate that it was another piece of fiction created to make a good story (which was already a fiction) sound even better.

[James Carlson]

I'd like to ask a question if I may. Please indulge my ignorance if it's a dead topic.

Has anything been done to try and locate the injured guard that Sallas claims was injured and medivaked?

I phoned my security guard. He said that the man who had approached the UFO had not been injured seriously but was being evacuated by helicopter to the base.

http://www.nicap.org/malmstrom67-2.htm

Couldn't that guard be identified?
Would there be a log book for the helicopter?
A record of the medical treatment he was given?

If it could be shown that there was no helicopter flight out of the base at the time of the incident as Sallas reports it, would it have any implications for the validity of the story?(Not that I believe the story told by Sallas has any credibility.)

Is the injured guard a worthy line of enquire?

Thanks in advance if you take the time to read and reply.

I've looked for him all over the place, and with the exception of Robert Salas' insistence, there is no other indication that he has ever existed. Of course, now that there's a $1,000.00 reward out for the Malmstrom AFB UFO "smoking gun", any number of individuals may be making that claim, so -- and I admit, this is a sad thing to say -- I personally wouldn't even believe Jesus Christ, unless He had some paperwork to back it up. Just ten minutes of that horrendous little press conference convinced me that there are at least a half dozen guys out there willing to lie in the nation's capitol without even cracking a smile, so I'm going to need a little bit more than one little smoking gun. Salas, on video, named my father and Figel as having confirmed his stories; and even Richard Dolan affirms that my Dad has been extraordinarily consistent regarding this event for well over the past ten years -- apparently we now live in the world of Anything Goes, so -- like the lady sings -- anything goes.

It's pretty damn shameful ...

[James Carlson]

An interestng note has been making the rounds throughout the UFO-proponent communities. I thought I'd share it with everyone.

From: Robert Hastings <ufohastings@aol.com>
To: ufohastings@aol.com
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:42:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Robert Hastings Requests Your Assistance

The James T. Carlson Problem

Robert Hastings Requests Your Assistance

By Robert Hastings
http://www.ufohastings.com

Over the past 37 years I have interviewed more than 120 former or retired U.S. military personnel regarding their knowledge of UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites during the Cold War era.

On September 27, 2010, seven of those individuals participated in a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. to discuss their personal experiences in such cases. The event was streamed live by CNN and thousands of articles and broadcast news stories"the great majority of them accurate and objective"have been generated worldwide over the past month.

Four of the press conference participants discussed UFO activity at Malmstrom AFB's ICBM sites in 1966-67:

Dr. Patrick McDonough revealed that one night, while working as an Air Force geodetic surveyor at a not-yet activated missile site, a disc-shaped UFO had raced in and briefly hovered, silently, some 300-feet above his head.

Retired Lt. Col. Dwynne Arneson, the Officer-in-Charge of the 28th Air Division's Communications Center at Malmstrom in 1967, told of reading a secret message about a UFO hovering over a missile site just before it and nine other ICBMs mysteriously malfunctioned.

Former Captain Robert Salas, a missile launch officer at Malmstrom, spoke of being on alert at a 10-missile group
designated Oscar Flight, probably on March 24, 1967, when his missiles failed" moments after his head security guard had called the launch capsule to report a glowing oval-shaped object hovering over the Launch Control Facility. Salas has publicly spoken about this incident since 1995 and was the co-sponsor of the press conference.

Finally, a former missile targeting officer, then-Lt. Robert Jamison, spoke of being involved in the re-start (re-targeting) of the Oscar Flight missiles. Jamison said that all of the targeting teams involved in the action were briefed before going to the missile sites and were explicitly told that UFOs had been involved in the ICBM shutdowns.

All of these individuals spoke out because they believe, as do I, that the U.S. government needs to be candid with the American people, and humans everywhere, about the reality of the UFO phenomenon and, in particular, the UFO-Nukes Connection.

Now, although these courageous individuals have come forward and divulged their involvement in still-classified incidents, in the hope of raising public awareness, a UFO debunker named James T. Carlson has been posting countless items on-line over the past two years, calling these veterans (and others who were involved in the missile shutdown incidents) liars, or worse. In particular, Bob Salas and I have been singled-out for his wrath. Carlson's father, Eric Carlson, was one of two missile launch officers who were present at Malmstrom's Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, when all 10 of their ICBMs shut down.

While the senior Carlson claims not to remember any mention of a UFO being present at the time, the other officer, now-retired Col. Walter Figel, has told me, and Salas, that he received a report of a "large, round" UFO hovering over one of the missile sites just moments after it failed, and shortly before the other nine malfunctioned as well. Figel also verified that other security personnel subsequently corroborated the presence of the UFO. All of these admissions are on audio tape and one may listen to them via links in my article The Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt, posted at The UFO Chronicles website.

Unfortunately, James T. Carlson believes his father's version of events "that no UFOs were present at Echo Flight when the missiles went down"and has spent the last two years slandering and libeling anyone who contradicts this claim. James has further alleged that Bob Salas has completely fabricated the story of his own involvement in a second shutdown incident, at Oscar Flight, even though the other officer present at the time, retired Col. Fred Meiwald, has verified its reality.

In any case, the time has come for me to take inventory, in preparation for a possible legal action: While I am aware of numerous posts by James Carlson about all of this"on blogs at several websites"I'm certain that I've missed many more, given that they run into the hundreds at this point. So, I am seeking the reader's assistance:

I am asking that persons who want to the truth about the incidents at Malmstrom AFB in 1967 to be established"once and for all"to scour the Internet and locate posts in which Carlson has referred to me (or Bob Salas) as a "fraud", a "liar" a "hoaxer" or similar defamatory terms. I am also interested in posts where James claims that he has "proved" that Mr. Salas and I have misrepresented the facts. Those willing to assist me in
this regard should send me links to the offending posts at:

ufohastings@aol.com.

Thank you,

Robert Hastings
http://www.ufohastings.com

Robert, you don't have to go to such lengths simply to find quotes from me -- I'm more than happy to provide them right here on Reality Uncovered anytime you want. I'm certainly willing to assist you in this matter, and I've never considered it something to be ashamed of, so you really shouod have just asked me outright. Everything about you that I've said, I can prove, so I certainly don't mind repeating any of it for the record.

You, Robert Hastings, of ufohastings@aol.com, are a fraud. You're a liar. You're also a hoaxer. You have misrepresented the facts regarding the alleged incidents at Echo Flight and Oscar Flight in March 1967, and you've done so shamelessly and without any concerns for the truth. By saying that, I'm actually giving you a compliment, because it implies intent and purpose -- anything else would be a recognition that everything you've published in regard to this event was done in the innocence purchased by pure belief, and only an idiot would actually believe everything you've written when all of the evidence in the world is available -- 80-pages of FOIA documentation, witness interviews, etc., etc. -- to assist one in determining the actual truth. I don't think you're that stupid, so you must be lying. But all you had to do was ask. You're a liar and a fraud, and I can prove it.

Hell, all I've had to do was re-interview your own witnesses. Or have you just missed all of that? Because both my father and Walt Figel are pretty insistent that UFOs were not involved at Echo Flight, and their memories are pretty vivid. 37 years of research didn't do much for you in the way of professional ethics, did it, pal? Because it's evident you're just a cheap little con-artist, although that term does tend to reflect poorly on artists.

You're also a petty-minded and officious little prick, and quite possibly the worst person I've ever come across, but that's just my opinion, and I don't expect others to consider it an actual "fact", because their experiences of you may be quite different from my own. But all of the liar, hoaxer, and fraud stuff is absolutely true, and I don't mind telling the whole world.

Oh, and in case you're interested: Robert L. Salas is also a liar, a fraud, a hoaxer, and very dishonest human being, and I can prove that, too. So bite me -- both of you.

Also, thanks for finally admitting that my honest discussion of these events is a "problem" for you. That absolutely is my intention, so I'm glad that I'm succeeding.

Most sincerely,
James Carlson
Albuquerque, NM

[James Carlson]

P.S. to Robert Hastings: it would be nice if just once you would show some of the courage you claim to possess regarding your convictions, and do something other than call me names and make unfounded accusations without once even trying to answer the numerous questions that have been put to you and Salas. Please, for God's sake, quit boring the Hell out of everyone, and show some backbone for once. The pretence you've created to let people know you're contemplating legal action is just pathetic, exactly what I've come to expect from you. You want examples of what only you call "libel", than just ask for it. It's not like I haven't been saying the same thing all this time: You are a liar, a fraud, and a fake. What else do you need? As long as you're asking me to tell the truth, you will always get exactly that, and it still won't help you, because you're a coward and a fool, as well as a liar and a fraud. If you really want to convince people that you're so honest, you'd be better answering a few questions like the following: (1) why do you insist Walt Figel has supported your claims, when he very plainly insists that he has not? (2) why did Salas tell the whole world at your pathetic little dog and pony show that both Figel and my father have supported your lies, when both insist very clearly they have not? (3) why do Raymond Fowler's emails indicate a number of outright lies originating with Salas that he told him in relation to my father's claims way back in 1996? (4) if, as you and Salas have both insisted for years, my father and Walt Figel confirmed his account of UFOs in 1996 -- as he told Fowler -- why were the only people interviewed for the "Sightings" UFO show of March 1997 Salas, Klotz, and Crawford -- none of whom were actually at Echo Flight? (5) why have you been telling people for months that I never spoke with Walt Figel, and never received any input from him at all, when you know very well that's an outright lie, because you spoke with him the very next day? I don't have to do anything to prove that you guys are both liars, except look at the records of your own accounting. You are pathetic and easily dismissed. Please sue me, Robert! You'll be a laughing stock worldwide inside of ten days, and you'd just make me so happy!

[Tim Hebert]

James,

Hastings recently posted a similar request on theufochronicles.com site. Interesting that he would use that vehicle since most of your rebuttals are listed in the various comment sections of said site. So much for a succesful "presser."

Tim

[James Carlson]

James,

Hastings recently posted a similar request on theufochronicles.com site. Interesting that he would use that vehicle since most of your rebuttals are listed in the various comment sections of said site. So much for a succesful "presser."

Tim

I reached the conclusion a long, long time ago that Robert Hastings is nothing more than a buffoon with a lot of talk. He doesn't have the ability to analyze anything; he doesn't do any fact checks or what most people would consider to be the minimum standard of witness vetting -- he just begs for stories about UFOs on the internet, and then writes down whatever anybody tells him as if it's the holy word of God; his witnesses who discuss Malmstrom AFB are the very defintion of absurd, and nothing any of them have ever claimed can possibly be confirmed. Most of his little folk tales don't even have dates attached to them, which leads directly to him making a "best guess" on the basis of similarity to Project Blue Book cases or some other silly little means of verification, and we've all seen how much failure can be attached to that sort of reasoning as a result of Raymond Fowler's use of the method, and he's actually a guy who does take analysis seriously, and hasn't constantly lied and invented stories to press forward his claims. This whole line of big talk from Hastings about "legal options" is just more noise from the Big Boom Factory; if he were really serious or even had a case that he could press forward, he could have done it years ago when I was saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING. And he wouldn't have to use cheap publicity tricks in order to get the attention of his audience by saying things like "please send me examples of Carlson's many sins". Hell, he could just ask me -- I'm not hiding, and my story has never changed (unlike Robert Salas' which changes everytime someone points out another impossible little detail). All he would have to do is ask me my opinion, and I'd tell him: "You, Robert Hastings, are an insignificant canker sore on the world of real journalism; you are a liar, a fraud, a hoaxer of the worst kind, and not only can I prove this, I have already done so on numerous occasions, but you are so poor an analyst that you didn't even notice it happening! Your entire Echo Flight case is based on the sad little misinterpretation of what you think Walt Figel had to say, and even after he has explained in great detail exactly what that was, you are still unable to pull your head out of your ass long enough to hear what that is. If you had any self-pride at all, you'd probably kill yourself in abject shame."

In any case, he's never had a good reason to ask his readers to send him more examples of my easily subtsantiated discussions of him, or Robert Salas. All he has to do is a simple Google search. Or he could just ask me -- I'm not exactly shy about telling folks what a complete jackass he is. He's just greedy for more attention -- and this is little more than a means for him to determine how much support he actually has in the world today. He asks for help from his most militant true believers, and when his email postal box is full, he'll know how many of those true believers are actually backing his silly little claims. That's why I think everybody should get together and write to the email address he has published for such a worthy redemption of his public name, and send him copies of this posting right here. This one. Right. Here. I already wrote to him yesterday expressing my hopes that he does file a legal response, so I won't confuse him any further by writing again to the email address he posted therein -- this being ufohastings@aol.com -- but I do think everybody else should. Just cut and paste this posting, tell him the source of it, and email it to ufohastings@aol.com -- that's ufohastings@aol.com; make his day -- he really needs a show of support here, folks, so please, in the name of Christian charity, give this sad little buffoon exactly what he's asking for. Remember, just one email per customer -- nobody wants to mess up his count or anything like that, so don't add a series of random numbers to the bottom of the email or anything. Just keep in mind the charitable source of your assistance, and maybe we can help to get him successfully past this sad and degenerate little period of his life. Rememeber what the Beatles said on Abbey Road: the love you take is equal to the love you make. Render unto Caesar. E pluribus unum. Have a little fun before God tells you it's time to go home.

James Carlson

[astrophotographer]

One can only assume that Hastings is taking this route because James' and RU's efforts to bring more light onto the subject has caused much concern for Hastings. He is having to put out fires everytime somebody questions the story based on what has been revealed. I would not be shocked if it was Hastings, who urged Dolan to change his "conclusions" section of his recent blog entry. Others seem to have voiced concern over the case now that Figel and Carlson have stated publicly that UFOs had nothing to do with the Echo flight shutdown and that they are of the opinion that the Oscar flight shutdown never happened. Because of this, Hastings needs to address the "Carlson problem" with the only way he can figure out how. That is to threaten Carlson.

I find it humorous that he has to PUBLICLY announce this "search" for evidence. Isn't he a good enough researcher to figure this all out? I can only assume his public posting is meant to intimidate and bully.

[vonmazur]

Some of Hastings' flunkies are ranting und raving at paracast over this, I was not impressed with the supposed "press conference" or anything to do with Mr Hastings' somewhat wild theories on this incident...

I am not impressed in a favorable manner by his supporters either!

Dale, "in the military too long to believe this tale!!!"

[James Carlson]

Some of Hastings' flunkies are ranting und raving at paracast over this, I was not impressed with the supposed "press conference" or anything to do with Mr Hastings' somewhat wild theories on this incident...

I am not impressed in a favorable manner by his supporters either!

Dale, "in the military too long to believe this tale!!!"

It's been my experience that most folks who have served in the military for any appreciable period of time sufficient to understand how things go when things fail are extremely critical of everything Hastings and his ilk (I love that word - ilk) have to say on the subject. For the most part, I really don't care what people want to believe -- but if they're going to be so completely and openly contemptuous of the military, the very least they could do is come up with a "real" reason; are there so few secrets in Washington, DC that they have to lose their freaking minds over a bunch of secrets regarding missiles and men-in-black that they can't sustantiate, can't focus on, and fail utterly to even maintain a consistent standard of testimony regarding? In the long run, it's all just a poorly executed hoax that's been allowed to go on way too long, and they're just pissed off because someone finally called them on it, and did so without any of the expectations of filthy lucre that motivates their own every action. They are transparently ludicrous -- and they completely deserve every load of crap that gets bounced off of their tiny, brainless heads. Of course, that's just my opinion, so don't sue me over it, 'kay?

[astrophotographer]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/10/power-failure-shuts-down-sqaudron-of-icbms/65207/

Failure Shuts Down Squadron of Nuclear Missiles!!!!! ....but UFOs were not involved......yet.....


I wonder how long it takes for somebody to claim they saw a UFO near the missile base, which obviously caused the problem. I also wonder how long it will take Hastings to find some E-2 or E-3 who will privately tell him that a UFO was involved.

I just checked the MUFON database. There are no UFO reports for Wyoming as of 10/27 but, once the word gets out, I would not be shocked to see a few reported. This is the list of cases (the first date is when they were reported and the second is the date of the event - the article says it was Saturday the 23rd)

2010-10-26 2010-10-23 Cigar-shaped, very clear, low-flying, slow-moving, four lights, no wings, and then just boom! Disappeared! GA, US
2010-10-25 2010-10-23 Strange smoke and strange object MD, US
2010-10-24 2010-10-23 2 UFOs trailing flames drop down from the upper atsmosphere AZ, US
2010-10-24 2010-10-23 red-orange lights, more than 100 scattered going across sky, some together, some not PA,US
2010-10-24 2010-10-23 Unidentified flying object spotted in daylight over Cumming, GA GA, US 2010-10-24 2010-10-23 Two Bright Lights Observed Stationary Elev 40 Due South - . Both -1Mag. TX, US
2010-10-24 2010-10-23 Very Large Blue, Looked like very Large Planet in night sky, Only moving. HI, US
2010-10-23 2010-10-23 four white round lights going in circle, clustering together and spreading apart NJ, US
2010-10-23 2010-10-23 2 Star-like objects in formation NJ, US
2010-10-23 2010-10-23 two orbs revolving around each other AZ, US
2010-10-23 2010-10-23 Picture from construction web cam LA, US
2010-10-23 2010-10-23 It was a brief sighting of the lighted object MI, US
2010-10-23 2010-10-23 I saw a green light fall from the sky like a flare, then stop and fly away from me to the north. MI, US
2010-10-23 2010-10-23 Slower than meteorbright blueish/white, exploded NJ, US

[Tim Hebert]

Failure Shuts Down Squadron of Nuclear Missiles!!!!! ....but UFOs were not involved......yet.....

I saw this on Fox News this morning. Nothing but generalities. What is meant by a communication outage to all 50 missiles? LCC vs LF issues? Per the Pentagon, the missiles could have launched if necessary, which is true if you take into account Airborne Launch Control System. Unfortunately, this happened at F.E. Warren AFB vs. Malmstrom. I would have loved hearing of the great Echo Flight encore in real time!

Tim

[James Carlson]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/10/power-failure-shuts-down-sqaudron-of-icbms/65207/

Failure Shuts Down Squadron of Nuclear Missiles!!!!! ....but UFOs were not involved......yet.....

"We've never had something as big as this happen," a military officer who was briefed on the incident said. Occasionally, one or two might blink out, the officer said, and several warheads are routinely out of service for maintenance. At an extreme, "[w]e can deal with maybe 5, 6, or 7 at a time, but we've never lost complete command and control and functionality of 50 ICBMs."

Wow -- an entire squadron! I give Hastings 30 days before he turns it into a UFO incident. Anybody want to give me odds?

"According to the official, engineers discovered that similar hardware failures had triggered a similar cascading failure 12 years ago at Minot AFB in North Dakota and Malmstrom AFB in Montana. That piece of hardware is the prime suspect."

Does anybody know whether or not Hastings has already turned these two referenced shutdowns into UFO incidents yet?

I think we should draft a response to the USAF field point of contact for the press regarding this incident, and the other two mentioned above, and ask them outright whether or not UFOs were involved. I would love to have some kind of denial or, more apporopriately, ridicule, on the record before this is turned into a UFO incident by the ever over-reaching Hastings crowd. I think I might also write a few "letters to the editor" pondering the possible interference of UFOs in relation to this incident. We could ask John Kelly at the Washington Post to look into it. But we need to do so before Hastings ties in more garbage questions of UFOs.

[astrophotographer]

Not worth the trouble to talk to the USAF. They would say there was no UFO involvement, which for UFO groups, would mean there were UFOs involved even if nobody reported them. I am sure somebody up there saw Jupiter or the International space station last night and will suddenly realize they must have seen a UFO that shutdown the missiles. It does not take much to get a UFO report generated. I am going to monitor the MUFON database to see if anything "pops" up in the next few days. Of course, Hastings may just get a personal e-mail from somebody (let's hope it isn't Salas' little brother/nephew/distant cousin), who will claim they know a UFO caused this shutdown.