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Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby jjflash » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:51 pm

Carol Rainey, ex-wife of Budd Hopkins, speaks out on how Hopkins and Jacobs were incompetent, gullible, negligent, and outright lied to promote themselves and their preconceived conclusions:

The Priests of High Strangeness
Co-creation of the "Abduction Phenomenon"


By Carol Rainey

http://www.paratopia.net/paratopia_maga ... _final.pdf
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby astrophotographer » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:50 pm

Interesting article. Is the Leslie Kean mentioned the same as the Leslie Kean who wrote the recent book about UFOs? If so, she sounds very gullible (of course, I formed that opinion the instant she championed the Kecksburg case).
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby Zep Tepi » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:56 pm

The very same. Dick Farley sent out an email about this yesterday. I'll ask him if I can post the content here, it's worth the read!

I personally feel that anyone who expolits those people who mistakenly believe they are being abducted by aliens, need to have a probe shoved where the sun don't shine.
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby ryguy » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:09 pm

Carol is my hero!
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby astrophotographer » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:52 pm

Zep Tepi wrote:The very same. Dick Farley sent out an email about this yesterday. I'll ask him if I can post the content here, it's worth the read!

I personally feel that anyone who expolits those people who mistakenly believe they are being abducted by aliens, need to have a probe shoved where the sun don't shine.



Hmmm.....reading this story, I would think one should put a big red (aka scarlet) G (for gullible) on the foreheads of these individuals. They seem to want to so badly to believe that they ignore all the red flags. This has been how UFOlogy as a whole has worked for many decades. Look at all the scam artists and hoaxers who have managed to hoodwink quite a few people simply because they want to accept their story as factual.
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby mosfet » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:59 pm

No, I don’t think its gullible. I think its “M” for money. If there is money to be made any truth is valid.

If your ready willing and able to believe it, I’m ready willing and able to sell it.

It’s a common theme throughout ufology. What’s confusing is when something like the drones come along and there is no air apparent to the money. Maybe just a big smile is enough? :D
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby Zep Tepi » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:34 pm

Money is usually the motivator behind these things, money and the perceived fame that some of these fraudsters apparently crave. The real scammers however stay in the background, quietly encouraging people like Hopkins and Kean because they are the unwitting foot soldiers who go merrily along their way, spreading the meme as they go.

The real scammers, or Scammers Inc as they are known around these parts, have earned millions of dollars from their endeavours. Not for them the thrill of having a book published or the chance to speak in front of an adoring audience. What's the point when there are enough wealthy people available for whom the desire to believe is so strong that they will do anything they can in order to help the cause. Doing "anything they can" usually involves signing over astronomical amounts of money for the privilege.

Anyway, I digress so more on that later.

Dick Farley has kindly allowed me to reproduce his email here so without further ado...

Dick Farley wrote:Subject: Carol Rainey decimates Hopkins, Jacobs, Kean, et al., as "ET cult suffocates?"

"ET abduction researcher's ex-wife comes clean: claims frauds, delusions and ????"

<http://www.paratopia.net/paratopia_magazine/mag_preview_final.pdf

This lengthy and detailed article by Budd Hopkins' former wife, Carol Rainey, chronicles her first-hand experiences with Hopkins and his "alien abduction research," for which he's been more famous than his art works (since 1981, when his "Missing Time" was published, publicizing purported "alien abductions" in the Reagan era, leading up to "Roswell's" alleged crashed saucer with "alien" bodies recovered climaxing in the early '90s as a supposed rationale for President Clinton to be "persuaded" to disclose what the government supposedly knows about so-called "UFOs").

See Hopkins' autobiographical, "Art, Life and UFOs," published in 2009, and Leslie Kean's "UFOs," published late last year to "underwhelming" response outside of retail UFOlogy and the cult conference marketplace.

What Ms. Rainey's testimonial signals is a "destruction" of so-called "UFO-related ET abduction" studies, and the discrediting of a leading personality (Hopkins), who reportedly is dealing with pancreatic cancer.

It follows that this kind of "deactivation" attends to the passing of people so influential in transient "cultural" influences, (akin to Dr. Timothy Leary, and later, Dr. John Lilly... as well as what happened leading up to and following the death of Dr. J. Allen Hynek, in somewhat variant form, but leading to public disinterest and a shadowy trail of what happened to research materials, files of cases and access to same, controlled by..?)

Note a mention is made of Ryan Wood and others, including Noory's "Coast to Coast" and other purveyors of putative "weirdness," those marketing mind benders and manipulators of doubt, paranoia, perverse political prevarications with "dotted line" connections to erstwhile intelligence and military programs, contractors and disinformationists. The "taxonomy" of perps and charlatans, clowns and criminals is too lengthy to list here.

<http://www.paratopia.net/paratopia_magazine/mag_preview_final.pdf

Read this in entirety and the follow-on piece about human experimentation and "standards." We are close to breaking out of the self-insulation of "ET confusion" and seeking justice and healing for the victims of what is an ongoing infection of the American and western body politic and "global mind" with a destructive "meme."

More to come... the connection of Leslie Kean, who most recently has been "caretaking" Hopkins (AND his files?) with John Podesta and others at that level of "global mind change" and "political distraction," ought not be dismissed or disregarded by analysts of just what is going on now or has been for the last 30 years.

Hopkins approaching demise, and the allegations Rainey is making against David Jacobs... who has raised a "Watch out!" warning about the supposed "ET alien abductors," as has Hopkins (contrary to Budd's late friend, Dr. John Mack and Hopkins once-friend and later Nemesis, author and "abductee" Whitley Strieber) has also warned.

What we may be witnessing is the fragmentation and resulting internecine "warfare" within a cult, powerful yet clandestine and arising from decades of "New Age" dabbling with sorcery, "witchcraft" and attempts by powerful, self-anointed cultural and political "elites" to explore legendary and secret "codes" allegedly with a short-cut to "Magick," psychic insights and access to "power," over the minds of men and future of Earth.

Who were the "deceived," and by whom... to what ends?

Do not be distracted or dissuaded from continuing to ask
questions less obvious than "whose cheating whom," and
who may be abusing or exploiting innocent victims of what
bizarre programs and experimentation may yet be revealed.

Manipulation of mentally ill people by knowing disinformers
or outright frauds, for whatever purposes, is a federal felony
when electronic, interstate means are employed, money is
changing hands and other crimes perhaps are camouflaged.

Sources are emerging and "The Circle Game" is closing in
on itself, spinning out of control as "retail UFOlogy" crashes
and, at long last, tries to immolate itself before it's revealed
in the fullness of the toxic and viral cultural disease that it is.

Look for a larger "political distraction" to deflect attention from
this fiasco by the public and wider news media, which bears a
considerable amount of the blame for allowing this to persist
for so long, to the detriment of its victims and other innocents.

The larger questions will be, whether they're ever answered... or not:

"For whom has Budd Hopkins really been working, all of this time?"

And... with what intentions... to what ends? Hero? Or fool?

But even here, things are rarely what they appear.

Dick Farley
Washington, DC USA


Dick raises some interesting points, as I'm sure most would agree.

Thoughts?
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby murnut » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:36 am

ryguy wrote:Carol is my hero!



Realizing now how mixed up Leslie Kean was/is with Budd Hopkins....some things make sense to me that did not before.

Don't you agree Ryan?
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby Access Denied » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:58 am

Zep Tepi wrote:I personally feel that anyone who expolits those people who mistakenly believe they are being abducted by aliens, need to have a probe shoved where the sun don't shine.

Agreed, and I would include folks like Farley who in turn exploits these same people by reinforcing (in effect providing cover for) the Scammers Inc. meme with the suggestion they are being abducted by the military/IC instead.... :wink:

Clandestine human experimentation disclosed. More to come?
http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index ... n-experime

Alleged victims of similar experiments perennially assert that not all of the military and intelligence research involving unwitting human subjects have as yet been disclosed, but mainstream journalism routinely disregards and marginalizes such claimants, feeding on the abundance of "silly science" and "whacko" information continuously fed by zealous advocates of "ET's presence," and their latest Internet manifestation, "Exopolitics."

But a number of journalists and investigators suspect "UFO" related programs covered up illicit human experimentation equally embarrassing or moreso than the Guatemalan disclosures of yesterday are to the US government and some past and present officials.

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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby Gilles F. » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:16 am

Greetings,

Yep, agree too. I copy past a reply I wrote in another blog regarding this subject.

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Hopkins, for example, have demonstrated his incompentence in the TV emission "Nova" titled "Alien Abductions" in february 1996. Hopkins was followed by cameras in several his meetings with patients, and mainly in Florida with a mother who explained to her children they were abducted by aliens...

The Nova team asked the opinion and the evaluation of the method used by Hopkins to famous Dr. Elizabeth Loftus - THE false memories field specialist - : it was evident for her Hopkins favored the creation of memories, even if himself claimed he was helping to recover repressed memories...

Dr. Loftus has noticed how much Hopkins encouraged his "patients" to remember things in detail and how he rewarded verbally recovering such new memories. That's the best way to create false memories. In a cognitive point of view, this method is a shame imho.

A shame because that's realy bad in the sens it is unknown what effect will this have on children later :(

Yes, we can be sure the childern will grow up believing they were abducted by aliens. The idea has been so "embedded" and "fixed" in their brain that it will be difficult to believe that this "experiment" was put into their head by their mother, and after be cultivated and rewarded by the enthusiasm and biased method of Hopkins.

It is the same with John Mack in his "Zimbabwe saga": It is awesome (and dangerous) to notice in videos how he rewards verbaly the childern.

Such "doctors" do nothing to avoid false memories, despite there exist a well known method to avoid it (the cognitive interview, as several "tips"), ie to present contradictory informations, to adopt egocentric view when recalling an event and after to adopt an allocentric view (at the "third person", from a bird's-like view, in survey), reversal recall (in different orders, from the start to then end, and reciprocaly), etc.

Well, that's ufology, but here probably at its worst, taking into account the consequences of such "investigations" to the individual's mental health...

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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby ryguy » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:47 pm

murnut wrote:
ryguy wrote:Carol is my hero!


Realizing now how mixed up Leslie Kean was/is with Budd Hopkins....some things make sense to me that did not before.

Don't you agree Ryan?


Agree 100%

There's definitely an agenda there with her and her organization she's with - I think more people are finally seeing it.
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby ryguy » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:56 pm

Access Denied wrote:
Clandestine human experimentation disclosed. More to come?
http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index ... n-experime

Alleged victims of similar experiments perennially assert that not all of the military and intelligence research involving unwitting human subjects have as yet been disclosed, but mainstream journalism routinely disregards and marginalizes such claimants, feeding on the abundance of "silly science" and "whacko" information continuously fed by zealous advocates of "ET's presence," and their latest Internet manifestation, "Exopolitics."

But a number of journalists and investigators suspect "UFO" related programs covered up illicit human experimentation equally embarrassing or moreso than the Guatemalan disclosures of yesterday are to the US government and some past and present officials.

:roll:


There were some pretty nasty military experiments in the past against unwitting human subjects, but to go that extra mile to say that the alien abduction experience is caused by some vast military/intel mind control black project is definitely just as woo-woo as the ET abduction scenario.

Is that really what Farley is saying? I guess I have to go back and read his stuff more carefully.
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby mosfet » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:54 pm

Good post mur

http://ufomania.proboards.com/index.cgi ... 855&page=1

mirrors my experience as well. Too bad so much noise in the system. While alien abduction may have occurred (anything is possible) I don’t think (if it has) it’s anywhere near the level purported to be in the popular culture, and would tend to lean towards no association to UFOs at all. Just more noise in the system and great fodder for money makers but there seems to be some physiological phenomena at work here which does merit serious investigation.
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby murnut » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:30 am

Thanks brother

Frankly I'm tired of ufology

I'm no longer devoting that much time to it.

I just landed a sweet new gig that is going to require attention.
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Re: Rainey, Hopkins, and Jacobs

Postby jeddyhi » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:55 am

murnut wrote:Frankly I'm tired of ufology


You and me both, my friend! The only thing I have come away with is the fact that there are a lot of smoke and mirrors, double talk, unsubstantiated claims, and hucksters and charlatans spreading BS. To compound the matter is the fact that these hucksters are so successful because most of the targeted audience is of a "I want to believe" attitude. Evidence is not needed or asked for when a story (true or false) wets their pre-conceived appetites and reinforces a belief that may or may not be accurate.

And then there are places that cater to the huckster, supply a soap box, provide an audience and claim they are doing Ufology a service.......I'd rather be golfing these days lol.
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