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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby DoomsdayRex » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:30 pm

m0r1arty wrote:Thanks DrDil,
However if this hoax was done to show the workings of a 'good', or at least believable, hoax then a better educated community should arise.


There is a tradition of scholarly hoaxes. For instance, a doctor wrote a paper of complete nonsense and managed to get it published in a "scientific" journal for alternative medicine. However, the audience for such hoaxes is not the fringe "alternative" community but mainstream science. The goal is not to educate and help better these fringe communities but expose them to the world-at-large.
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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby ryguy » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:49 pm

m0r1arty wrote:Creating a hoax and then tracking the reactions, propaganda and people seeking to benefit from it would e good for the community as the houses built from cards would soon topple.

Again, this is just my belief. The best laid plans of mice and men and all that...

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This is a high-risk proposition, but it's one that's probably pretty brilliant as well. One thing we've noticed, and I'm sure many readers here have as well, is that certain people and groups tend to approach and exploit anyone that makes paranormal claims in ufology. Doing what you propose would be a flypaper approach - draw lots of folks in, but hopefully draw in those targets in particular. Then observe their modus operandi in dealing with us, and learn about their ultimate methods and goals through those interactions.

The only problem is that it risks completely destroying ones own credibility once the truth is revealed. Randi did this when he had his two young magicians infiltrate PSI research labs to show how easily those researchers could be fooled. Of course, skeptics all laugh and say "see" - but die-hard believers now always point to that effort as proof that Randi is a scumbag. You really can't win with the approach, I don't think. Although, I admire your ingenuity. :-)

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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby DoomsdayRex » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:58 pm

ryguy wrote:The only problem is that it risks completely destroying ones own credibility once the truth is revealed. Randi did this when he had his two young magicians infiltrate PSI research labs to show how easily those researchers could be fooled. Of course, skeptics all laugh and say "see" - but die-hard believers now always point to that effort as proof that Randi is a scumbag.


Which would be one of my concerns. The paranormal field is too-focused on personality as it is; it would be another excuse to dismiss someone, not for their arguments or evidence, but because they are an "a--hole".

Not to mention you open yourself up to accusation of "disinformation agent", more so than skeptics usually do.
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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby DrDil » Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:27 pm

m0r1arty wrote:
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An example of a very nice hoax, which you rightly state DDR didn't get accepted as the hoax it was, is available to view in a deconstruction here:



Considering is half the key DDR, now we have to make it (For scholarly giggles and shiz!).

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Hi m0r,

To the best of my knowledge I was the first person (by far) to offer a rational explanation/proof that the Haiti video was a hoax as I posted the following video less than two days after the original was posted:



Most other videos debunking appeared weeks after the original, and yeah, there’s still people who claim it’s real….. (M’kay so I accept it’s amateur-hour but at the time I just wanted other people to see what I was seeing when I watched the video :lol: ).


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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby m0r1arty » Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:12 pm

Nicely done DoctorDil!

Another YouTube user also had a debunk video the same day as yours (URBANRUST) but they only discussed the tree tops and didn't go into the detail you did about the previous videos, positioning of the sun and large distances between alleged locations.

Have you watched the Captain Disillusion video I posted on the Haiti UFO?

It's a quality piece of debunking (and a mash-up production in and of itself) and is educational whilst entertaining.

It's only 4:30 and it'd be nice to hear your, and others, opinion on it as a style for debunking and teaching.

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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby Luck » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:38 am

m0r1arty wrote:In reply to your running a hoax advise. If all documentation was kept ahead of time and secured somewhere under a password and was collected by those we wish to hoax prior to the actual hoaxing then the evidence would be clear and untampered with after the fact. Like the Wikileaks insurance file. It's take a lot of planning but would be a good laugh if nothing else :wink:

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In addition to some of the excellent reasons already given by the brilliant members here, you risk the chance that someone else will co-opt your story (hoax) for their own cult of personality and take it in directions that would give you pause. How would you feel if someone took the premise of your hoax and turned it into an Icke-style cottage industry?
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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby m0r1arty » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:11 am

Luck wrote:How would you feel if someone took the premise of your hoax and turned it into an Icke-style cottage industry?


About the same as usual - I'm not trying to challenge human behaviour and the one-upmanship that lets tiny insecure hierarchies form for short periods.

It's about showing how people how easy it is to be duped and so to be vigilant against it if you don't like it.

If people want to purchase from the shopping channel after salivating over 3 hours waiting for that item which gives them that hit then good on them and good luck to them. But those who don't want that should be given the option to see other options, freely, and choose for themselves whether they wish to explore it further or not.

Someone can tell you something is right or truthful, but it's only given merit when you accept it.

I say explore all and come away wiser. There's no short-cut for that.

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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby Why Not? » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:43 pm

M0r1arty.....

I commend you for your efforts.

It is high time such shapeshifting alien vampires were exposed on RU.

They can't hide from us RU guys (& gal)!

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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby m0r1arty » Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:31 am

Why Not? wrote:They can't hide from us RU guys (& gal)!


I thought we didn't allow girls in our club?

We just talk about them a lot instead.

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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby nablator » Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:27 am

m0r1arty wrote:It's about showing how people how easy it is to be duped and so to be vigilant against it if you don't like it.

It's been done before. I doubt many people learned from it.

The Morristown UFO hoax, 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morristown_UFO_hoax
http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/lab-notes ... -2009.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 156483716#
(The interviews of witnesses are very interesting in part 3)

The Australian UFO Wave 2006 video hoax
http://www.christopherkenworthy.com/ufo.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJvquhoCieo
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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby Zep Tepi » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:09 pm

There is an article on the Morristown UFO hoax here at RU too:
The Morristown UFO Hoax Exposes Problems With Ufology

For the record, I don't think it's a good idea to create a hoax in order to show how easy it is to fool the gullible. As has been said earlier, we then become part of the very problem that has plagued UFOlogy from the start.

I agree with the sentiment, but not the idea :)


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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby Access Denied » Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:02 am

Back on topic...

m0r1arty wrote:If you were trying to hide yourself as an evil overlord from another planet with a penchant for blood surely being on global television whilst under enough stress to have your chameleon-like abilities buckle would be something you'd try not to do too often.

Unless of course these aliens are simply mocking us with their bold egotistical ways :lol:

You laugh but RU has uncovered the real alien vampire conspiracy…

Carol Rosin credentials- finally

It’s far more sinister than that. 8)
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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby m0r1arty » Thu Feb 03, 2011 11:54 am

I'm pretty sure there are fetish websites which specialise in that type of stuff AD!

Now that is a conspiracy and a half!!

Weird as heck.

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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby DoomsdayRex » Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:11 pm

Access Denied wrote:You laugh but RU has uncovered the real alien vampire conspiracy…

Carol Rosin credentials- finally

It’s far more sinister than that. 8)


Jokes aside, you are right. What Carol Rosin does is rather insidious. The real conspiracy within the world of UFOs is not a government cover-up but the liars and hucksters who make their living on deception.
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Re: Video evidence (CNN live) of shapeshifting alien vampire

Postby nablator » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:54 pm

DoomsdayRex wrote:The real conspiracy within the world of UFOs is not a government cover-up but the liars and hucksters who make their living on deception.

How do you know that they are not simply delusional? I've never been able to tell who is a scam-artist and who honestly believes. I suspect the latter is much more common than the former. “UFOs are a mental illness,” John Keel once said. Keel was right: UFOs are pathological, and they are highly contagious.
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