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Postby MikeJamieson » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:03 am

No! You have much more interesting topics to cover here, Ryan.
Hands down.

I'm submitting a new diagnostic category for consideration by the
DSM people, something along the lines of "ufoitis psychosis".

The missionaries who persist on knocking on all of our doors have
extinguished my interest. I'll wait for Keith Olbermann to begin
examining this subject. (Might be hell freezes over first.) Then I
may perk up, but only if he interviews an alien. (Anne Coulter doesn't
count.)

I don't have the constitution of a Jim Moseley. (All hail the
Supreme Commander!) Just so.
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Postby Almeirhria » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:47 am

Unless I've misread, it sounds like you are planning to abandon the topic of UFOs and ETI Mike. Regardless of how long you've been interested in the topic, what you know or your position as I don't know you - I'd suggest not abandoning completely, but simply giving it lowest priority.
The NSA is referred to the puzzle palace for a reason...

Best wishes if you are taking a break, keep up the good work if you are continuing. While I'm at it, keep up the good work RU admins and anyone else doing their bit to find the truth.


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Postby MikeJamieson » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:06 pm

Mark D Hempel, owner of wingmakers' site.
Business associate of a Michael A Koenigs.
(no clue about Koenigs ties at this point)

Some exposure of who and what back in the late 90s.
Artists and musicians with other impressive skills.

One resource:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wingmakers/
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Postby Hidden Hand » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:02 pm

seems like the main Casbolt apologist at ATS is somebody named "incunabula" - incunabula being of course the uber-seekrit 'aviary' like group in the Wingmakers story

See:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread215165/pg1
James Casbolt: Former M16 Agent... has he been proven to be a hoax?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread220121/pg1
New Dulce Info with video.

Evidently Casbolt's story ties in also with the Phil Schneider/Dulce Base/Philadelphia Experiment story..


And, over at skepticforum.com, somebody named Bhang has also been promoting Casbolt/Schneider/Dulce recently:
http://skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4247
(Caveat - not necessarily a riveting read - just the normal extraordinary claims with no evidence, and a bunch of people shooting down paranormalist blather with logic..)

(IMO, of course..)
Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?
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Postby MikeJamieson » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:08 pm

Ed Komarek finally gave up the phone # of the man who identified
himself as "Roy W. Gordon". It is unlisted, but I paid intelius 15 bucks
and found out that the number Ed used to talk with this man is for a man
not named Roy Gordon. I will next post email exchanges
were he abuses Ed, though Ed was NOT at all in the thick of things
so far as confronting all this. In that exchange, it appears "RWG"
allows Ed to post all this stuff on the net. "RWG" is obviously reading
this thread. . Remember, he's the one who presented
the so called NSA nondisclosure agreement (copy in the hands of the
owners of this site).

Information on all this has been passed along (in addition to two who
got involved, from Australia) to Don Ecker and Steve Moreno. And,
Michael Salla.

Update: Ed has called this number and got someone, an old man,
who said Roy was not in, but that he does use this phone #
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Postby MikeJamieson » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:27 pm

Okay guys here is what you wanted. See it pays to be patient. I will send the phone number to Mike right after this email. Ed
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
To Roy Gorden minus the email header

I have no problem giving you a call and I did that when I first noticed this all coming down on you. I have always been respectful of your privacy by not calling you and letting you call me. I have always given you the benefit of the doubt and that you were a busy man trying to do his best for the good of humanity. Now I have my sincere doubts.

As far a tiptoeing around, come on, honestly I have not been on the net hardly at all the last three weeks and am not interested in getting sucked down is this mess you guys have created for yourself. I have a lot more positive things going on in my life than sorting through this mess of yours.

You have hurt a lot of people by raising their expectations, then by either fraud or just plain poor judgment soured them on exopolitics. You have done it secretly behind the scenes, so whats all this talk about not being upfront and courageous. You really ought to be taking your own advice as the projection in your email is obvious.

You seem to be so out of touch, do you think I am masterminding this attack? That is nuts. When a data stream such as this does not seem to be panning out, I move on to more productive streams. I am not interested in immersing myself in this pile of horsepunky of yours that you do not seem to think does not stink.

You seemed to me to be a kind and honest man over the phone but that does not seem to be what I am hearing from others. Now I am begining to see the Mr. Hyde others have been talking about.

You are right on my being cheap that is true. I don't make money off of others in exopolitics and I live on a very modest income. My life is my own to do what I will with it. I don't play games and as I said, what you see is what you get.

Mr. Hyde, well what is this in the post below but a projection of your own self. I have heard about this sort of behavior of yours from others, all the sex talk and such. Just keep talking ,people are getting your number. Its funny that people as smart as you can't seem to see their own reflection in the mirror.

Yes the game does continue, you are right about that, and I am as always looking forward to what lies around the next curb. Neither you or I run this game, we are just along for the ride and we each reap what we sow. As I see it you have been sowing weeds so now it is weeds you get. This is not my mess you are now in and I had nothing to do with getting you into it.

Why don't you just come clean and tell folks who your are and what your background is. They are going to find out anyway. From what I hear they have a pretty good idea of who is who in all this now anyhow. Why don't you have the courage to take your own advice and show yourself so people can see you for what you are Mr. Hyde. As I have said, I have been open and forthright about who I am and what I am about and I have proved it. Calling me a coward is laughable.

Thanks for giving me permission to give out your phone number to those investigating you. You probably already changed it anyway. Anyhow I will try to call this evening after 9est because I am cheap and frugal and it does not use up my regular minutes. Lets see if you have to courage to answer, Hmmm? For now I will give the phone number only to Mike Jamieson asking him not to pass it on so it does not start floating around the net like some other folks personal numbers have. I will leave it up to him to investigate and he can talk to you if he likes. He might just pass the number on anyway as he is completely convinced you are a fraud but that is his own moral choice. He thinks I am aiding and abetting for hanging on to it for so long anyway.

I don't see any reason not to post this letter to me. Does not seem to be anything here but insults and projections anyway. I will remove the email header of course. I don't see any reason not to move this conversation into the public domain unless you specificly put eyes only on it. I expect it will show up with all the rest of the stuff on reality uncovered so people can make up their own minds about this fiasco.

Truth is nourishment to the truthful and a poison to the decietful. If I were you I would break contact with me if you are not thinking and acting honestly.

Ed



Roy Gordon wrote:

JaJaJaJaJaJaJa!!! Knock yourself out in the mire Mr Disclosure!! or Mr Hyde
as you have become known around here,... Komarek you are a pussy!! -

You are what is known here at the shop as a "piss-ant" - a wimp, a ninny, a
simpering sissy-pants mummys boy whining drip.. a dumb-ass, a dunder head,
a lily livered pusilanimous piece of horse pucky!

Salla kicked you out of the Institute because you got no guts pure and
simple.. Hell I wouldnt even had you join in the first place. AB has a
differnt opinion but I am saying it like I see it..

Just give out my goddam phone number see what I care... Publish it on the
net. Go to Rense, P4C..or Disclosure project...You think that'll win you any
friends brother???...You think we are worried about YOU ?
JJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!

We got you're number Komarek - You and Salla and Boylan, Paola, Greer the
whole damn ballgame.. If I told you that the whole ball and dice have been
chipped...would you follow the score then? Ask Salla about that dream he had
during the conference..He will know the one I am talking about.

Stop tiptoing around Komarek.... Ring me Charlie ..Ring me I dare you...But
you wont ring..because you're too damn cheap Komarek....Not only yellow but
a skinflint as well...Hell you probably still owe the library a quarter for
your last computer visit

The game continues Charlie...And win we will and stop the Animus we can..
With a process that is pure and holonomically simple and one that requires
recruitment from an army that serves Source.

Sorry Charlie

This is as far as I want it to go

RWG


>From: Ed Komarek
>To: Roy Gordon
>Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Attack on the Action Network
>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 09:39:08 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I am pretty easy to check out how about you? Come visit me sometime. You
>claim you have money, then fly to Tallahassee and I will show you around my
>neck of the woods. Look up Tall Timbers on the net and you can find that my
>father was involved in that years ago and some of his fire material may be
>on the net. Better still check out Birdsong Nature Center and give them a
>call and they will tell you that Eddie Komarek is real and lives not far
>from there and that he was raised on Birdsong. How about the Hawaii
>Conference, plenty of people talked to me there, and I stayed with Michael
>Salla. I am no mystery man but you certainly are. You are the one that
>needs to level with me to regain any credibility and prove that you are for
>real and that you really are who you say you are.
>
> Mother of all security breaches. Come on what do you expect, you put
>that USG nondisclosure document out on the net to a bunch of people and
>then claimed you were NSA. Were you out of your mind or what? :-) I mean,
>I would think standard operating procedures involving signing of USG non
>disclosure documents would dictate some vetting and face to face
>interviews. To think you can take raw recruits right off the net and bind
>them in extreme secrecy is just plain stupid. Somebody is bound to become
>disillusioned and tell all, and that is exactly what happened.
>
> Sounds to me that you and AR's ego's were totally out of control. Seems
>to me, if, and that's a big if, and you are on the level you are
>undergoing a crash of consciousness. Have you read my article on that?
>Happens all the time with contactees. Human psychology can't handle
>prolonged states of higher consciousness no more that a light bulb can
>handle high voltage.
>
> People in the civilian sector are very suspicious of insiders as you
>should well know. You threw gasoline on those suspicions with that USG
>document. I have been having big problems myself with attempts to liaison
>between insiders and those of us in the public domain and you knew that.
>It got me kicked out of the Institute.
>
> If you are on the level you are going to catch hell from the NSA for
>being so lax and if you are not on the level and are perpetrating a fraud
>then you are going to catch it from the FBI.
>
> My friends are all putting intense pressure on me to break
>confidentiality with you being absolutely convinced that you are
>perpetrating a fraud. I told them I have a very strict ethics and I will
>not do that until I am personally convinced you are perpetrating a fraud or
>that real FBI agents interrogate me. I have caught others in frauds but it
>was simple fraud face to face such as passing off pictures that were not
>their own as their own. Your case is much more complex and I have only
>talked to you by phone and by internet so proving fraud is very difficult.
>Therefore I have to continue leaving open the possibility that you and AR
>have the best of intentions but have been just plain stupid.
>
> A lot of people have been hurt and are very angry because of all this
>and I don't blame them at all. These people think I am nuts for continuing
>to leave open the possibility that you are on the level and are just now
>exercising extremely poor judgment. You have a lot of explaining to do
>sometime down the road if you haven't ended up in jail for fraud or
>Leavenworth for being so lax with NSA procedures.
>
> I will pass on this to the dissidents without your email or email
>address so they know I am no pushover and I talk straight up to everybody.
> I still am holding tight on confidentiality until you either confess :-)
>or we work together to straighten this mess out.
>
> I am only on the internet a day or two a week right now so if you want
>to talk, give me a call after 9est or on weekends. I have always been
>straight up with you, warts and all, and have always told you exactly what
>I thought. Maybe you can't handle straight up honesty because you are used
>to being surrounded by yes people.
>
> I have a lady friend who restructed large companies. She says
>executives of companies in trouble claim that they don't want yes people
>but they decieve themselves. Managers need control and yes people can be
>controlled, so managers surround themselves with yes people to maintain
>control over operations. This then leads to a inbreeding of ideas and big
>mistakes because nobody will speak up and tell the manager when he makes
>mistakes that he is full of horsepucky. :-) As you should know by now
>and as Michael Salla found out, I am no yes man, I tell it as I see it.
>What you see is what you get.
>
> Onward and forward I look forward to what lies ahead beyond the curb.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>Roy Gordon wrote:
>
>Ed?
>
>How do I know you are the REAL Ed?
>
>We have had The Mother of ALL security breaches and I aint trustin noone
>Sir- No siree!!
>
>RWG
>ACTION_ACIO
>



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Postby ryguy » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:51 pm

Ok...I'll admit it. Now you guys have my interest...

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Postby MikeJamieson » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:17 pm

For those who are unfamiliar with the Wingmaker mythology,
the reference to the "Animus" by "Roy" in his email to Ed are
the evil robotic aliens who will be arriving here in 2011 to gather
up genetic material from us so that they can become more
of a biological being and thus suitable as "soul carriers."
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Postby Hidden Hand » Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:47 pm

oh cr@p - I really hate it when my genetic material is harvested
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Postby MikeJamieson » Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:10 pm

I have posted the supposedly copyrighted questionare and
alleged NSA nondisclosure agreement at my blog:
http://theeurekareport.blogspot.com
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Postby MikeJamieson » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:04 am

Ed K just called the number he had conversed with "Roy Gordon"
before and he got an old man saying Roy wasn't in at the moment.
So, it may appear that "Roy" (according to this old man) uses this man's
phone but DOES NOT live there. The man said "Roy" would be back in later.
Ed clarified that this old man did not sound like "Roy".
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Postby kiwicocky » Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:08 am

Thanks for the updates Mike.

"Roy" said
And win we will and stop the Animus we can..
With a process that is pure and holonomically simple and one that requires
recruitment from an army that serves Source.


So they're recruiting with this offer to join A.C.T.I.O.N.?

What 'Source' is he talking about?

I'm also curious if anyone is going to contact the NSA and ask them if they're aware this is going on?
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