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A Plethora of Roswell Witnesses?

Postby ryguy » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:24 am

I was forwarded this excerpt from a friend - mentioned I would pass it by our resident Roswell experts for their take....

It presents a case that there are many, many witnesses - mostly to the bodies. In some cases a "live body". Would like some feedback on this from you guys...

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> Review Of Carey & Schmitt's Witness To Roswell
>
> Tom Carey and Donald Schmitt's new book, Witness To Roswell
> just came out, which I just received from Amazon.com.
>
> As the name attests, the book focuses on witness testimony, and
> Carey and Schmitt have a slew of new witnesses to report,
> including a few first-hand accounts of seeing the alien bodies.
>
> There are also a ton of second-hand alien body stories, plus a
> few to seeing the spacecraft either out at the crash site or in
> the Hangar 84/P-3 at the base.
>
> The hangar is the focus of many of the accounts, seemingly being
> the centralized collection point for the debris, craft, and
> bodies for further processing and transport out of the base.
>
> The number of reports on alien bodies was surprising to me,
> including several of a live alien. I had no idea there was so
> much testimony along these lines.
>
> The prize witness is Walter Haut, as most of us know, the
> Roswell base public information officer, who put out Colonel
> Blanchard's recovered flying disc press release on July 8, 1947.
>
> Haut in 2002 filled out a notarized affidavit, to be sealed
> until after his death. Here the affidavit is revealed in full.
> Haut, as he first did in an oral history with Wendy Connors and
> Dennis Balthaser in 2000, reveals seeing the crash object and
> several small bodies with big heads at Hangar 84, being taken
> there by Col. Blanchard. This was on Tuesday, July 8 in the
> afternoon, after the press release had hit the wires.
>
> Haut also reveals first hearing about the Brazel debris field
> and another crash location 40 miles to the north, where the main
> craft and bodies were, on Monday afternoon, July 7, after
> returning to the base from home after the 4th of July weekend.
>
> The northern site had just been found by civilians and rumors of
> the two sites were beginning to break out in town and on the
> base.
>
> The following morning at 7:30, Haut attended the senior staff
> morning meeting where everybody was briefed as to what was
> happening. Marcel and Cavitt described their findings at the
> Brazel debris field and Blanchard filled in everybody on the
> second crash site.
>
> Haut also states Gen. Ramey and Col. Dubose were there, meaning
> they had flown in from Fort Worth.
>
> Debris was passed around for everybody to handle and nobody
> could identify it. Much of the meeting was devoted to discussing
> how to handle the situation and what the public should be told.
>
> Here Haut discusses some of the rationale behind the issuing of
> the puzzling press release. According to Haut, it was Gen.
> Ramey's idea to divert public attention away from the closer and
> more important craft/body site. Haut felt Ramey was just
> carrying out orders from the Pentagon.
>
> Haut also states he went out to at least one of the sites and
> brought back some debris of his own. He was aware of two teams
> that went out for months afterwards to try to uncover any
> physical evidence that might have been left behind. Although he
> doesn't say it, Haut is here providing some corroboration for
> various tales of debris confiscation afterwards, such as told by
> Bill Brazel Jr.
>
> Haut's affidavit plus other testimony below revives the crash
> site 40 miles of north of Roswell where the main craft and
> bodies were found.
>
> Haut also presents a new timeline of the discovery of the site
> on July 7, which means recovery began at this site at the same
> time Marcel and Cavitt were out at the Brazel debris field
> investigating it.
>
> Another prize eyewitness is Sgt. Frederick Benthal. He was F.B.
> in Crash At Corona, but here he is identified publicly for the
> first time (or to me anyway). Benthal was the Army photographer
> flown in from Washington, taken out to the body site, and who
> photographed the alien bodies in a tent, with everybody else
> cleared out.
>
> Corroborating this was a first/second-hand account from an MP at
> the site, PFC Ed Sain. He stated he was taken out to the site in
> one of the ambulances and ordered to shoot anybody who tried to
> enter a particular tent. His son said his father didn't like to
> talk about it, but had told him he had guarded the bodies in the
> tent until they were transported to the base.
>
> Sain indicated that another MP, Cpl. Raymond Van Why, had gone
> out with him to the site. Van Why's widow, Leola, said her
> husband first talked about it in 1954 when he got out of the
> service. He told her that he had been a guard at a crash site
> and had seen the round spacecraft.
>
> Sgt. Homer Rowlette was with the 603rd Air Engineering Squadron.
> His son Larry and daughter Carlene Green said he told them about
> it on his deathbed in March 1988. He was part of the cleanup
> detail sent to the impact site north of Roswell. He handled the
> infamous "memory foil" described by many others. He described
> the ship as "somewhat circular" and said he had seen "three
> little people" with large heads. At least one was alive (just
> one of the 'live alien' stories).
>
> PFC Rolland Menagh was another MP at the site, according to sons
> Michael and Rolland Jr. He described the ship as egg-shaped and
> seamless. Michael recalled him describing three dead bodies. His
> father said they loaded the ship onto an 18-wheeler and covered
> it with a tarp. He escorted it in a jeep as they drove it
> through the center of town to the base and deposited it in a
> hangar.
>
> This brings us back to Roswell base.
>
> S. Sgt. Earl Fulford saw his close friend, S. Sgt. George Houck,
> drive off at 5:00 a.m. July 8 in a low-boy truck, which he
> presumed was to pick up some wreckage, one of his standard
> duties.
>
> Fulford was an aircraft mechanic who often worked at Hangar 84.
> During the day civilian mechanics from town kept questioning him
> about the rumored spaceship with little spacemen. At 4:00 p.m.
> as he left duty, Fulford saw Houck returning towing a lowboy
> trailer and carrying a tarped object about the size and shape of
> a VW Beetle. Houck refused to tell him what was under the tarp,
> saying he had been ordered not to say. When Fulford tried to get
> him to talk in the present-day, Houck still refused to talk
> about it.
>
> There was even more to Fulford's story. The next day he said he
> was "volunteered" to be part of a work detail of 15-20 men taken
> out to what we call the Brazel debris field to finish cleaning
> it up. They were given burlap bags and ordered to pick up
> anything "not natural".
>
> He described an area hundreds of yards in extent and, like other
> witnesses, said it was ringed with MPs. He said it had obviously
> been cleaned up before, because there wasn't much left, and he
> could see tire tracks from big trucks that had been there
> hauling things away. He said he found only 7 pieces, and
> described picking up and handling, like so many other witnesses,
> the "memory foil" that returned to its original shape.
>
> When he got back to the base, he was awakened at 2:00 a.m. the
> next morning and ordered out to Hangar P-3. He was also a
> forklift operator and was ordered to load a wooden crate, 7 feet
> square, into an idling C-54. It handled as if whatever was
> inside weighed very little.
>
> Back at Roswell base, everything centers on Hangar 84/P-3.
>
> Another eyewitness MP, PFC Elias Benjamin, described being
> ordered to pick up his gun and go out to Hangar P-3 for guard
> duty on the morning of July 8. He noticed unusually heavy
> activity around base headquarters.
>
> When he got to the hangar, the officer who had ordered him there
> was being subdued by MPs. He later found out he had been to the
> crash site, but when he saw the bodies at the hangar he had
> flipped out.
>
> Benjamin said he was placed in charge of escorting 3 or 4 bodies
> covered with sheets to the base hospital. One of them appeared
> to be moving. One of the sheets slipped and he saw a grayish
> face and large hairless head of something that wasn't human.
>
> When he got to the hospital and the sheets were removed, he got
> a much better view of one of the bodies and gave a familiar
> description of small body, large egg-shaped head, slanted eyes,
> slit mouth, and two holes for a nose. He thought it was alive
> and saw the doctors working on it.
>
> Afterwards, he was debriefed, forced to sign a non-disclosure
> statement, and told if he ever talked about it very bad things
> would happen to him and his family. He still feared he would
> lose his pension. His wife, who encouraged him to go public,
> said he first told her the story in 1949 when they were married.
>
> At the hospital, Miriam 'Andrea' Bush, 27, was a secretary to
> the hospital administrator Lt. Col. Harold Warne.
>
> According to her brother George and sister Jean, she came home
> one night in a state of total shock. Finally she said that there
> were a lot of strange medical personnel at the hospital she
> didn't recognize.
>
> Later Warne would take her to an examination room and she saw
> several small childlike bodies. One was moving. (Another live
> alien story) Their skin was greyish to brown and they were
> covered in something like white linens. Their heads and eyes
> were large.
>
> The next day she came home and said nobody was ever to say
> anything further about it. The family thought she had been very
> heavily threatened. They said the event so traumatized her that
> it ruined her life.
>
> She died under suspicious circumstances in 1989, with bruises
> covering her arms, but ruled a suicide by suffocating herself
> with plastic bag tied round her head.
>
> It is conceivable that mortician Glenn Dennis' "Nurse X" is
> based in part on Miriam Bush, who would have been about the
> right age and physical description.
>
> There are several more MPs described guarding the hangar, to go
> along with some previous accounts, such as from Sgt. Melvin
> Brown. Pvt. Francis Cassidy told his wife, Sarah Mounce, of
> seeing the bodies inside. Wanda Lida said her husband, Cpl.
> Robert J. Lida, said he guarded the hangar and observed wreckage
> and small bodies inside being prepared for shipment.
>
> Several more witnesses to the heavily guarded B-29 crate flight
> from Roswell to Fort Worth are provided.
>
> We already knew about Robert Slusher and 'Tim', here publicly
> identified as Lloyd Thompson.
>
> One, S. Sgt. Arthur Osepchook, like the other men, was sure
> something very important was inside the crate. One interesting
> statement of his is that when they got back to Roswell they were
> debriefed and told there were no such things as flying saucers
> and that a crash of one didn't happen.
>
> Two MPs described how they had guarded the plane as it was being
> loaded over the bomb pit. One described how the pit was wrapped
> with a double layer of fabric to prevent anyone from seeing in.
> He had to patrol blind between the inner and outer layer of
> cloth.
>
> Perhaps the most interesting new B-29 flight account came from
> Blanche Wahnee, daughter of Capt. Meyers Wahnee. She said her
> father told the family that the Roswell Incident was true in the
> last year of his life.
>
> A high-level security officer, he was flown in from Fort Simmons
> in Colorado to Roswell to oversee the transport of a "Top Secret
> item" from Roswell to Fort Worth on a special B-29 flight.
>
> The item was a single, large, wooden crate that Wahnee was to
> accompany as a security guard in the bomb bay. He said it
> contained the alien bodies recovered near Roswell. As did a few
> other witnesses in the book, he also said there were three
> sites.
>
> Three sites? Well of course the Brazel debris field, the
> body/craft site north of Roswell described by Haut and other
> witnesses, but what was the third site?
>
> According to Carey and Schmitt, this was yet another body site
> near the Brazel debris field. The evidence for this is thinner.
>
> There is the Frank Joyce story of Brazel coming to town in a
> highly stressed state and describing very smelly non-human bodies
> to him in addition to the large debris field.
>
> They also mention young Dee Proctor, who the Proctor family said
> was with Brazel when he made his debris field discovery, but
> also reported he had seen something else that had severely
> traumatized him. He never said exactly what it was, but he took
> his mother Loretta to the spot in the 1994 when he thought she
> might be dying.
>
> C & S say the story of the Brazel debris field had already
> circulated widely in the Corona area and many ranchers and
> rancher kids already knew about it before Brazel reported it.
>
> One of these kids was Sydney 'Jack' Wright. He told them that he
> and two other rancher children had gotten there too. They
> finally got him to state that, "There were bodies small bodies
> with big heads and eyes. And Mack was there too. We couldn't get
> away from there fast enough."
>
> Another perhaps related account came from the widow of Sgt.
> LeRoy, another MP. She said he was called away one evening to
> go to a crash site outside of Corona "to help load the bodies."
>
> When he returned home the next morning, he had a horrible stench
> on his clothes. She burned the clothes, but the horrible smell
> lingered on his body for another two weeks.
>
> Carey and Schmitt feel that under the circumstances, Jesse
> Marcel must have seen the bodies too when Brazel took them back
> to the ranch and debris field.
>
> They cite two witnesses who said Marcel did briefly mention
> seeing the bodies, one a relative, Sue Marcel Methane, who said
> he told her shortly before he died in 1986.
>
> Another was Tech Sergeant Hershel Grice, a ground maintenance
> crew chief, but who also was a member of Marcel's intelligence
> team. Grice described Marcel as a "straight arrow." (Haut
> described him to me this way also. Grice said Marcel described
> the bodies as "white, rubbery figures."
>
> There are numerous other witness accounts presented in the book,
> some already well-known in the Roswell literature, some new.
>
> I've covered most of the major new ones here.
>
> One of the more interesting remaining ones came from four sons
> of Lt. Col. Marion M. Magruder, a legendary WWII Marine aviation
> commander.
>
> According to them, on his deathbed, he confessed to seeing crash
> wreckage and a live alien at Wright Field two weeks after the
> incident in mid-to-late July 1947.
>
> He had just started Air War College at Maxwell Field,
> Montgomery, Alabama, attended by elite high officers who the
> various services considered to be the future military leaders.
>
> They were flown up to Wright Field to get their opinion on an
> urgent matter. They were then told about the recovery of an
> extraterrestrial spaceship that had crashed near Roswell,
> examined wreckage, and then were led to another room and shown a
> surviving alien.
>
> Mike Magruder said his father described the "creature" as under
> 5 feet tall, "human-like" but with longer arms, larger eyes,
> and an oversized, hairless head. It had a slit for a mouth and
> two holes but no appendages for a nose and ears - the standard
> 'grey' description. There was no question in his mind that it
> "came from another planet."
>
> A number of other military witness accounts center around rumors
> running rampant at the base of the flying saucer and bodies, of
> something very big going on, a lot of security, severe warnings
> to keep their mouths shut, and the base being in lockdown.
>
> Some examples were other members of the 603rd Air Engineering
> Squadron that witness Fulford was in.
>
> PFC Eugene C. Helnes:
>
> "It was definitely not a balloon. ...I know fellows who were out
> at the site to clean it up. All the talk was of a crashed saucer
> =97 right up to the time that I left the base in mid-1949."
>
>
> Sgt. Harvie L. Davis:
>
> "Stories were going around, and I don't doubt the people
> involved. I believe that it was a UFO."
>
>
> John Bunch:
>
> "Everything was hush-hush. We all knew something was
> going on, but we didn't know what. A lot of planes were coming
> in and going out, and the airstrip was shut down for a period.
> The base went into lockdown, and they checked us real close
> going in and out."
>
>
> So there you have it, a whole bunch of witness stories to chew
> over, including various live alien ones. The description of the
> main crash object is different here, having changed from a heal-
> shaped or bat-wing shape into an egg-shape from several
> witnesses, and also appearing to be a little smaller than
> previously described.
>
> Haut, e.g., in his affidavit described it as about 15 feet long,
> and Fulford described the tarped object on the truck as about
> the size of a VW Beetle.
>
> Alien body descriptions are impressive in their consistency:
> large heads, large eyes, small bodies, slit for mouths, two
> holes for nose and ears, usually greyish or brownish.
>
> I am also very impressed with the consistency of the accounts as
> they often neatly fit together into a cross-corroborating
> narrative of what happened, which I've tried to indicate in the
> presentation of the various witness accounts.
>
> It is also hard not to be impressed with the shear numbers of
> witnesses that have been compiled. Can all of them be lying?
> Would a Mogul balloon cause this?
>
> I have some quibbles about the organization and writing up of
> some accounts in the book. Tables summarizing witnesses would
> have been very useful. There are very large numbers of them to
> keep track of and they are often scattered throughout the book.
>
> However, in general this is a very impressive body of testimony
> that Carey and Schmitt have collected and has given me a lot of
> things to think about.
>
>
> David Rudiak

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Postby Serpentime » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:29 am

One of the more interesting remaining ones came from four sons of Lt. Col. Marion M. Magruder, a legendary WWII Marine aviation commander.

According to them, on his deathbed, he confessed to seeing crash wreckage and a live alien at Wright Field two weeks after the incident in mid-to-late July 1947.


Mac Magruder's name jumps out at me, but I've never heard of him being associated with Roswell before.

http://www.acepilots.com/usmc/usmc_vmfn533.html

The author of this article appears to be one of his other sons (?). Could be wrong though...


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Re: A Plethora of Roswell Witnesses?

Postby Access Denied » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:13 am

ryguy wrote:I was forwarded this excerpt from a friend - mentioned I would pass it by our resident Roswell experts for their take....

It presents a case that there are many, many witnesses - mostly to the bodies. In some cases a "live body". Would like some feedback on this from you guys...

I take it you’d like more than just overstating the obvious that this came out just in time for the 60th Annive$$ary freak $how in Ro$well? :)

Without going into too much detail here’s some brief comments I have on David Rudiak’s ”review” as posted on the UFO Updates list…

From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:27:46 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:13:46 -0400
Subject: 'Witness To Roswell' Book Review & Details

Review Of Carey & Schmitt's Witness To Roswell

[snip the sales pitch]

The prize witness is Walter Haut, as most of us know, the Roswell base public information officer, who put out Colonel Blanchard's recovered flying disc press release on July 8, 1947.

That’s funny, the Roswell Daily Record article says “according to information released by the department, over authority of Maj. J. A. Marcel, intelligence officer” NOT Col. Blanchard (the base commander) who ironically went on leave that same day. Curiously Rudiak fails to note this discrepancy? More about Blanchard’s alleged involvement later but I’ve found that rewriting history is a frequent tactic employed by many Roswell “researchers” in order to support their more “exciting” (and often mutually exclusive) version of events.

Haut in 2002 filled out a notarized affidavit, to be sealed until after his death. Here the affidavit is revealed in full.

Really, why’s that? Keep in mind that Walter Haut is one of the founders of the Roswell Museum so it’s not like he had anything to fear by “exposing” the “truth” while he was still alive if that’s what we’re supposed to believe. He and many orthers already went out on that limb and managed to survive...

Haut, as he first did in an oral history with Wendy Connors and Dennis Balthaser in 2000, reveals seeing the crash object and several small bodies with big heads at Hangar 84, being taken there by Col. Blanchard. This was on Tuesday, July 8 in the afternoon, after the press release had hit the wires.

I see so this affidavit released after Haut’s death allegedly confirms what Haut said to some other people but we can’t confirm this with Haut now because he’s DEAD… okey dokey. Apparently Rudiak accepts this without question. But wait there’s more… don’t forget Blanchard was officially on leave!

Ruidak continues…

Haut also reveals first hearing about the Brazel debris field and another crash location 40 miles to the north, where the main craft and bodies were, on Monday afternoon, July 7, after returning to the base from home after the 4th of July weekend.

The northern site had just been found by civilians and rumors of the two sites were beginning to break out in town and on the base.

So now we’re back to two crash sites again? Who exactly does he hear all this from? I hope this is explained in more detail in the book but for some reason I don’t feel compelled to buy a copy to find out. I’m fairly certain Marcel (Stanton Friedman’s “star” witness) never mentioned this and I’m positive Cavitt didn’t.

The following morning at 7:30, Haut attended the senior staff morning meeting where everybody was briefed as to what was happening. Marcel and Cavitt described their findings at the Brazel debris field and Blanchard filled in everybody on the second crash site.

Haut also states Gen. Ramey and Col. Dubose were there, meaning they had flown in from Fort Worth.

Now that’s a new one to me and boy is it a doozy! Any official records (and there would be many I would think) to back up that little junket? I’m guessing not and again I’m pretty sure Marcel never mentioned they were there and I’m positive Cavitt didn’t but I’m too lazy to look it up at the moment.

Debris was passed around for everybody to handle and nobody could identify it. Much of the meeting was devoted to discussing how to handle the situation and what the public should be told.

Here Haut discusses some of the rationale behind the issuing of the puzzling press release. According to Haut, it was Gen. Ramey's idea to divert public attention away from the closer and more important craft/body site. Haut felt Ramey was just carrying out orders from the Pentagon.

So now Haut’s claiming to have seen the debris and now the press release was Ramey’s idea not Blanchard’s OR Marcel’s???? Boy is the sh_t rolling up hill quick further and further from Haut or what? Hmm, maybe the following has something to do with it?

THE MANY STORIES OF LT. HAUT
http://www.roswellfiles.com/Witnesses/hautstory.htm

[emphasis mine]

Now we have the OMNI article, "The Truth About Roswell", where Dave Sobel questioned Walter Haut about who wrote the article:

"When Blanchard talked to you about what to say, did he use the words 'flying saucer?"' I asked. "Did he seem to be frightened?"

[...]

"I do not remember the minute details," Haut told me. "I feel that I've had a pretty full life, and how the colonel passed that information on to me I cannot honestly tell you. I don't know whether he called me on the phone and said, `Haut, I want you to put out a press release and hand deliver it to the local news media. Here's what I want in it. "Or," Haut continued, "the adjutant might have called and said, `Haut, the old man's got a press release he wants you to pick up and take it around town."'

When I pressed Haut about the authorship of the release, he answered frankly: "I cannot honestly remember whether I wrote it, whether he had given me the information and told me `This is what I want in it.' It was not that big a production at that time, in my mind."

"Well, there were quite a few reports of flying saucers at that time," Haut reminded me. "I had a multitude of hats I wore. I had all kinds of things to do. I asked my wife, when all this [the renewed interest in Roswell in the mid 1980s] started, `Do you remember me coming home and saying anything about it?"' Her reply, he recalled, was simply no."

Translation: Haut lied. Haut made up the "press release" on his own and he most likely encouraged the press to use the term "flying saucer" as the [unpublicized] evidence I previously posted here on RU also indicates.

It would appear this posthumous “confession” is at least in part a poor attempt by Haut (and/or his supporters?) to absolve himself of any responsibility for the SNAFU he (and Marcel?) alone created in my opinion.

Anyway, I could go on but the rest of this book seems to me to be a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense thrown in to try and revive a whole slew of previously debunked claims and theories so I really don’t see the point in wasting any more of my time on it. Marcel, Cavitt, Brazel and several others we know for sure based on the historical record actually saw the debris never mentioned anything about bodies.

Clearly this dead horse will never be buried as long as there is money to made from it and morally bankrupt promoters willing to beat it.

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Postby ryguy » Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:08 pm

Hey...AD. I was going to PM this privately to you for your analysis...because I knew you're the guy for the job. But reconsidered, because the person who forwarded this to me claimed to believe this new version of Haut's testimony....and I thought it would be best if your analysis was public, so everyone could see it.

And I knew you'd nail it. ;)

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Postby Access Denied » Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:06 pm

Thanks Ry,

Perhaps this post by David Rudiak on the UFO Updates list can offer us some insight on why the Roswell Myth still endures in the minds of some UFOlogists 60 years later?

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/upd ... -008.shtml

David Rudiak wrote:From: David Rudiak <drudiak.nul>
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:50:52 -0700
Archived: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:12:02 -0400
Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit – Rudiak

>From: Martin Shough <parcellular.nul>
>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:52:07 +0100
>Subject: Re: The Walter G. Haut Affidavit

<snip>

>As I already said, omitting parts of a story is one thing, but
>so much of the original affidavit turns out (ex hypothesi) to
>have been active invention of details like receiving a phone
>call about the debris at 9:30 am on July 8 when no such phone
>call (we now understand) was ever made,

Martin and List,

Both the 1993 and 2002 affidavit mention the 9:30 phone call.
This was the call from Blanchard to put out the press release.

1993:

"At approximately 9:30 AM on July 8, I received a call from Col.
William Blanchard, the base commander, who said he had in his
possession a flying saucer or parts thereof. He said it came
from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and that the base
Intelligence Officer, Major Jesse Marcel, was going to fly the
material to Fort Worth. Col. Blanchard told me to write a news
release about the operation and to deliver it to both newspapers
and the two radio stations in Roswell."

2002:

"At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and
dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying
disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel
flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the
news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the
Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch."

These are virtually identical statements.

Now can anybody here tell me what the HUGE and VERY IMPORTANT difference is between these two “virtually identical” statements?

(that also points to a possible motive behind Haut's "revised" affadivit)
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Postby Zep Tepi » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:02 am

That's easy AD :)

In the first statement, Haut says he was told to write the news release, or in other words to come up with it himself. In the second statement, he says Col. Blanchard dictated the press release to him.

Not what I would call "virtually identical statements" at all. The difference, and the reason for that difference should be readily apparent to most objective observers of this story.

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Postby wetsystems » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:24 am

Zep Tepi wrote:That's easy AD :)

In the first statement, Haut says he was told to write the news release, or in other words to come up with it himself. In the second statement, he says Col. Blanchard dictated the press release to him.

Not what I would call "virtually identical statements" at all. The difference, and the reason for that difference should be readily apparent to most objective observers of this story.

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In 1996 in Omni Magazine Dava Sobel wrote this:

"When Blanchard talked to you about what to say, did he use the words 'flying saucer?"' I asked. "Did he seem to be frightened?"

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"I do not remember the minute details," Haut told me. "I feel that I've had a pretty full life, and how the colonel passed that information on to me I cannot honestly tell you. I don't know whether he called me on the phone and said, `Haut, I want you to put out a press release and hand deliver it to the local news media. Here's what I want in it. "Or," Haut continued, "the adjutant might have called and said, `Haut, the old man's got a press release he wants you to pick up and take it around town."'


When I pressed Haut about the authorship of the release, he answered frankly: "I cannot honestly remember whether I wrote it, whether he had given me the information and told me `This is what I want in it.' It was not that big a production at that time, in my mind."


Said Haut, "I do not remember the minute details." After 49 years, who would? We need to resist holding people to a higher standard than we would hold ourselves in regard to memories. In my view (and apparently in Gov. Richardson's view) the mystery and the cover-up remain.

To which I might add:

Compare this:

"By the end of the day (July 8th), the Army Air Force base in Fort Worth had examined the wreckage and identified it not as a flying saucer, but as a high altitude weather balloon carrying a radar target made of aluminum and balsa wood."
(Roswellfiles.com)


And this from the Schulgen Memo (10/28/47) FOIA:

1. This Memo sets forth the current intelligence requirements in the field of Flying Saucer type aircraft.

3. Items of Construction

b. Composite or sandwich construction utilizing various combinations of metals, plastics, and perhaps balsa wood.


Ask yourself this- why include “balsa wood?” of all things. Trained observers would certainly know the difference between a "high altitude weather balloon" and a spacecraft ("flying saucer type aircraft"). Did Schulgen know more than he let on?

Maybe Gov. Bill will help us find out.
And I should remark that I am saving my insults for Toon for "just the right time" when I will strike at his soft, white underbelly for maximum damage and humiliation. Ray Hudson 2007
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