As you know, I said that I trust no one within the ufology field, not even ufo-skeptics and here is the perfect example !

JMA aka Venom is someone I know pretty well. Regardless of this fact, let me introduce you to one of the most famous french ufo cases : Trans-en-Provence (named after the town)

Here in English : http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... ident.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-en-Provence_Case

Now JMA's version of the story : http://365daysofastronomy.org/2011/04/2 ... -ufo-case/

JMA : Anyway, some analysis were made by a man called Michel Bounias and at that time (still now) in France there is a big fashion in UFO circles to consider that UFOs are propelled with magnetohydrodynamics (MHD). He finds some anomalies in the sample and says that those anomalies have been caused by the UFO landing, and by the MHD propelling the UFO.

This is not true, at no time MB (RIP since 2003) stated (without a doubt) that his analysis and the anomalies found have been caused by an hypothetical MHD propulsion system. Here is some of his work regarding this case for the GEPAN/SEPRA when he worked for the INRA* :

It was not the aim of the author to identify the exact nature of the phenomenon observed on the 8th of January 1981 at Trans-en-Provence. But it can reasonably be concluded that something unusual did occur that might be consistent, for instance, with an electromagnetic source of stress. The most striking coincidence is that at the same time the French physicist J.P. Petit was plotting the equations that led, a few years later (Petit,1986), to the evidence that flying objects could be propelled at very high speeds without turbulences nor shock waves using the magnetohydrodynamic effects of Laplace force action! It should now be most interesting to determine a catalog of the biochemical effects of electromagnetic waves, particularly the spectra of the continuous effects of varying em parameters, such as frequencies, intensities modulation and pulses. A number of experimental data found in the literature (Bounias, 1984) and in theoretical studies (Veve & Bounias, 1987) suggest that such a program would be of wide importance not only for UFO studies, but also, for instance, in medicine (Douss et al., 1985; Somjen et al., 1982) and related areas.

Source : http://www.scientificexploration.org/jo ... ounias.pdf

* http://www.inra.fr/

Now, regarding the GEPAN/SEPRA :

JMA : Because of course in their report they say that it’s a rock solid case, that it shows that really an alien spaceship landed in France.

This is not true, at no point the GEPAN/SEPRA said such a thing, here is the case that I'll let you translate and it's related documents & analysis done by several labs : http://www.cnes-geipan.fr/geipan/region ... 00849.html

Just translate the conclusion in the "Note techn 16.pdf" to verify by yourself :

http://www.ldi5.com/ovni/sepra/nt16.php

But there's worse, JMA used defamatory statements regarding this well respected* scientist :

JMA : And of course, those analysis made by Michel Bounias, who was a fringe researcher in ufology and other similar subjects, are not valid. Those traces were just made by cars or trucks parking in the garden.

* http://www.cicpprecaution.com/Hommage%2 ... OUNIAS.doc

Bounias, M. C.: "Biochemical traumatology as a potent tool for identifying actual stresses elicited by unidentified sources: Evidence for plant metabolic disorders in correlation with a UFO landing", JSE, 4, 1, 1, 1990

Bounias, M. C.: La Création de la Vie: de la Matière l’Esprit (Editions du Rocher, Paris, 1990).

Bounias, M. C.: (1993) & A. Bonaly. A Topological Model for Fundamental Structures, Ultra Scientist of Physical Sciences 5, n° 2, pp. 175-184.

Bounias, M. C.: (1994) avec A. Bonaly. On Mathematical Links Between Physical Existence, Observability and Information: Towards a ”Theorem of Something, Ultra Scientist of Physical Sciences 6, n° 2, pp. 252-259.

Bounias, M. C.: (1995) avec A. Bonaly. The trace of Time in Poincare Sections of a Topological Space, Physics Essays 8, no. 2, 236-244.

Bounias, M. C.: (1996) avec A. Bonaly. Timeless Space is Provided by the Empty Set, Ultra Scientist of Physical Sciences 8, n° 1, pp. 66-71.

Bounias, M. C.: (1996) avec A. Bonaly. On Metrics and Scaling: Physical Coordinates in Topological Spaces, Indian Journal of Theoretical Physics 44, no. 4, 303-321.

Bounias, M. C.: (1997) avec A. Bonaly. Some Theorems on the Empty Set as Necessary and Sufficient For the Primary Topological Axioms of Physical Existence, Physics Essays 10, no. 4, 633-643.

Bounias, M. C.: (1999), The future of life on Earth : ecosystems as topological spaces, World Scientific.

Bounias, M. C.: (2000) Traité de Toxicologie Générale, Springer-Verlag, 799 pages.

Bounias, M. C.: (2000), J. Environ. Biology, 21(4), pp. 275-285.

Bounias, M. C.: (2000) A Theorem Proving the Irreversibility of the Biological Arrow of Time, Based on Fixed Points in the Brain as a Compact, ¢-Complete Topological Space, American Institute of Physics’ Conference Proceeding, Symposium 8, pp. 20-24.

Bounias, M. C.: (2000) The Theory of Something: A Theorem Supporting the Conditions for Existence of a Physical Universe, from the Empty Set to the Biological Self, International Journal of Computing Anticipatory Systems 5-6, pp. 1-14.

Bounias, M. C.: (2002) On Spacetime Differential Elements and the Distribution of Biohamiltonian Components, Spacetime & Substance 3, n° 1, pp. 15-19.

Bounias, M. C.: (2003) avec V. Krasnoholovets, Scanning the Structure of Ill-known Spaces. Kybernetes: The International Journal of Systems and Cybernetics, 32, n° 7/8 : Founding Principles About Mathematical Constitution of Space, 945-975 ; Principles of Construction of Physical Space, 976-1004 ; Distribution of Topological Structures at Elementary and Cosmic Scales, 1005-1020.

Bounias, M. C. & V. Krasnoholovets, "The Universe from Nothing: A Mathematical Lattice of Empty Sets", International Journal of Anticipatory Computing Systems (2004), ed. D. Dubois, in press.

(2003) Petit, J.-P.: Michel Bounias est mort

(2004) Krasnoholovets, Volodymyr. Michel Bounias et son rôle dans le développement d'une connaissance plus approfondie de l'espace réel

I won't talk about the conclusion made by the french ufo-skeptics because it would be off topic but even Nablator wondered why JMA aka Venom called him a fringe scientist and now I know why, because of his book named :

If God created the world : http://www.amazon.fr/Si-Dieu-avait-cr%C ... 104&sr=8-1

Source : http://sceptic-ovni.forumactif.com/t212 ... nomy#32719

Since JMA does not even know for sure if MB wrote it, I presume that he did not read it and that he called him a fringe scientist just for this reason (the title of his book). Now, if you want to give skepticism a bad name, just act like JMA did...

Now, since Nablator is a member here, hopefully JMA will know about this thread and he will show up because I do have a few questions for him, one of them is to prove everything he stated, specially that MB was a fringe researcher in Ufology !

Cheers,

Buck