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The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:40 am

(Good guys led by General Dr David Morrison.)

For quite some time now I've been posting comments on the Facebook page of the excellent website http://www.2012hoax.org/ . This is a site that was started by Bill Hudson - aka "astrogeek" - with the specific purpose of debunking the 2012 "Doomsday" nonsense because quite a few people, many of whom are children or teenagers are scared witless by this rubbish, even to the point of suicide in some cases. So Bill started the site in order to try to do something about it.

Since it started in January 2009 it has proved to be a great success, with many people visiting to get the scientific facts and many have thankfully been reassured as a result. The site has also attracted the support and visits of many well-known scientists, such as Brian Cox, Neil deGrasse Tyson and David Morrison, to mention just a few.

As for the fictional planet Nibiru, this has often become tied in to the 2012 Doomsday predictions by the doom peddlars and it is frequently discussed over on the website and on the Facebook page. Here's a very good article on the website about it.

Now to the actual subject of this thread, "The Battle of Nibiru." In October last year Dr David Morrison of NASA uploaded the following video to Youtube, after he had received an e-mail from a 12 year-old girl saying she and her classmates were scared by it:



(To read the comments at YT, click on the title "The Truth About Nibiru" at the top.)


Since it was uploaded, the video has attracted masses of comments ((3,583 as I write and counting) and seems to have become the Clapham Junction of Youtube Nibiru arguments. Plenty of Nibiru fans on there, failing to present any actual evidence as usual and I think at least half the population of 2012hoax.org is on there as well. And doing some sterling work as well I might add.

Over the last few days I've made quite a number of comments as well, with my Youtube handle @bugbait42 and will quite likely make more. If anyone else reading this thread fancies joining the party on YT on the side of the good guys, in helping to present the facts, please dive in. Of course, it's unlikely you'll get any sensible replies from the Nibiruists, but at least you'll be able to find out what it's like being a "government-paid shill" and maybe earn enough to buy the missus a new washing machine or something. Image

And if anyone wishes to join the debate on the side of the Nibiruists, (which I would imagine is unlikely by members of Reality Uncovered!) you will be very welcome as long as you can present actual scientific evidence to support it!

By the way, Youtube comments isn't the best place for debates, because of the 500 character limit for each comment, you can't put direct links and the comments often appear out of sequence, even in "sort by thread" mode, (which is still the best way to view them incidentally.)

As you will see by reading the comments, the Nibiruists frequently avoid answering legitimate scientific questions put to them, such as "what are the RA/DEC co-ordinates for Nibiru?" Many of their comments consist of going off at a tangent and accusing us all of being paid debunkers working for "The Government" (not certain which one) and / or NASA.

Actually though it doesn't really matter that the proponents either ignore the questions or give ridiculous answers, because the whole point of this exercise is to show those who are scared by this Nibiru tripe that the proponents are full of bs and with just about every comment they make, or question they ignore, they score an own goal anyway.

And the great thing about the comments being under a video uploaded by David is we know the comments won't get deleted by the uploader, as sometimes happens with comments presenting scientific facts under a video uploaded by a proponent. Image
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Zep Tepi » Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:54 am

Great thread Smersh and thanks for the links.
Seriously, Nibiru is still an issue? Those people should really get out more. Wow.
You would think with the plethora of information available on the internet, people would attempt to research both sides of a subject. If they did, they would quickly realise how stupid they are being in supporting such a ridiculous notion.

The thing is though, a lot of those people supporting it already know it's ridiculous. It's the same with anything in the paranormal arena. Convince enough people of something and you end up with a market and a lot of customers.

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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:22 pm

Thanks Steve. Yes, sadly Nibiru has become a huge issue, especially now that we're into year 2012 and there's all this rubbish about "2012 Doomsday" going into overdrive. And it's not only claptrap, but dangerous claptrap. Children and teenagers going online for the first time and reading about all this nonsense are particularly vulnerable and they need to be reassured with the scientific facts. Over on both the 2012hoax.org website and Facebook page, quite a number have been on there even in the short time I've been going there and said how scared they are.

Zep Tepi wrote: ... You would think with the plethora of information available on the internet, people would attempt to research both sides of a subject. If they did, they would quickly realise how stupid they are being in supporting such a ridiculous notion.


Yes they could, but many of them don't unfortunately. Many of them either don't know or don't want to know.

Zep Tepi wrote: ... The thing is though, a lot of those people supporting it already know it's ridiculous. It's the same with anything in the paranormal arena. Convince enough people of something and you end up with a market and a lot of customers.


Yes, it all becomes viral and spreads like wildfire, because of the work of the hoaxers - for example Patrick Geryl, Nancy Lieder, Marshall Masters etc. And of course on Youtube where the snake-oil salesmen are in full flow and drive traffic to their websites with their rubbish videos. Hoaxers like Terral03, Dutchsinse, JCattera and Donny Gillson to name just a few.

Both the Discovery-of-Nonsense Channel and the Hysterical Channel don't help either and are responsible for scaring millions. As Bill mentions on the homepage of http://www.2012hoax.org , "Rumors of an apocalypse in 2012 are being spread by people in order to make money."
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:28 pm

FYI - I've started "Battle of Nibiru" threads on various other forums as well, and if anyone wishes to keep track of any of them, here's all the links:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index. ... ay&start=0

http://www.thespaceport.us/forum/topic/ ... of-nibiru/

http://armageddononline.org/forums/thre ... post486353

http://www.ltlweb.com/xforum/viewtopic. ... 616#p39616

http://ufo-blog.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1330141637/0#0

Above UFO-Blog.com thread was also mirrored by DrDil here:

http://ufo-blog.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1330177263/1#1

Two or three of the threads have had quite a few posts as I write, and the one at AO (Armageddon Online) seems to be getting a little heated right now, with a lengthy rant about Michael Heiser (webmaster of http://www.Sitchiniswrong.com.)
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:10 am

Update: The same guy is still throwing all his toys out of the pram, and it seems they don't have moderators at AO any more ...
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:01 pm

FYI - The Battle of Nibiru is still going on, with the occasional comment here and there but the new battleground now seems to be this video, which was uploaded by Don Yeomans of JPL:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaKcPEBiZZw

Please go to Youtube with your bags of popcorn to watch all the comments. :|
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:09 pm

FYI - Re above video. Dr Yeomans has now uploaded an updated version, because as several people since pointed out, for the first image that comes up in the video somebody at JPL inadvertently put an image of the Aztec "La piedra del sol" calendar stone when it should have been the Mayan one. So the amended version has the Mayan "Tortuguero Monument 6" stone in its place.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYnSRkVcDlk

Both the original video and the amended version are now up on YT and getting a lot of comments. And in the amended one, certain morons don't seem to care if children kill themselves because they are so frightened and have said so in their comments ...

Incidentally, the original version with the Aztec stone might be ok for the next loony doomsday prediction after the Mayan one has failed, as somebody pointed out over on the http://www.2012hoax.org Facebook page a while back that the Aztec one runs out in a few years. All the the arguments will probably be pretty much the same of course ... :roll:

A nibiwoo appeared on the comments on Dr Yeoman's updated version I posted just above with the following statement:

"stupid. many astronomers have seen anomalies that indicate theres another celetial body out there."
severed321 23 hours ago


This particular user, who posted that as a "hit and run" was somewhat upset that anyone should dare challenge him on this, and started throwing all his toys out of the pram when several of us did, by asking him to be specific and provide evidence etc. He was dishing out crude insults all over the place and telling us to "google it" without actually providing any additional information of his own.

All this led up to the "YT Comment of the Day" in reply to this user from one of my fellow anti-doom friends:

@severed321
" I don't need your help. You're doing just fine showing yourself and all the other doomtards up as devoid of any knowledge whatsoever. I'm just demonstrating how you dig yourself into a bigger and bigger hole.

Actually, some of us have a bit of fun with you guys. You make some wild claim and never expect to be called out on it. When you do get called out, you lash out wildly and cluelessly. It's rather like poking a rabid dog with a stick."
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:41 am

Latest info is that Dr David Morrison has recently uploaded the following video, with a banner for http://www.2012hoax.org at 0.50 and link at the end. :)

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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Tim Hebert » Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:00 pm

Smersh, just to let you know, I've been following your links for the past month and find your information fascinating. We now have television commercials here in the "States" (relating to retirement/financial planning) implementing elements of the 2012 buffoonery...basically one will still need a retirement fall back plan should the world stay the same on the morning of Dec. 22, 2012. :D

With that said, I understand the serious nature concerning this foolishness' effect on the psyche of our young people.

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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:55 am

Thanks Tim. I guess most sensible people will realise that they should not abandon plans for retirement fall back policies because of the prophets of doom, but it doesn't surprise me that advertisers are trying to cash in as well. In fact I saw a beer ad on Youtube that I think was shown on tv in the US, with a guy in a Mayan outfit in it and buildings falling down and big cracks in the ground opening up etc.

And you're right - there's no doubt that this nonsense is scaring quite a few people, particularly young people but we'll continue to do what we can by debunking it and explaining the scientific facts.

Maybe we should consider contacting every "2012 Doomsday" and "Nibiru" proponent we can find and offer to buy up all their property and land very cheaply, because they won't have any use for it after Dec 21st anyway. Then on Dec 22nd we'll have enough land to start our own country. :wink:
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Mon May 14, 2012 4:47 pm

Not sure if anyone here has seen these videos, but there are loads of videos on YT showing "two suns" such as this one ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdvJvniXmc8

Anyway, many of us have tried to explain these videos as lens flare, but it now looks like we will have to amend that view because, believe it or not, there REALLY ARE two suns!

The reason that billions of people all over the world haven't noticed it (apart from some well-informed people on Youtube of course) is because thousands of aircraft are flying in front of the sun all over the world 24/7, spraying chemicals in front of the two suns to hide them. Quite simple really isn't it? As I write, I'm just waiting for maalaea in the comments to explain how this operation works in practice and how hundreds of thousands of people involved with it manage to keep quiet. Shouldn't be a problem though I'm sure ...


(See latest comments under above video)

Once he's explained that, we may also ask him to explain the other minor detail of why there are no noticeable gravitational effects from this second sun, on the whole of the rest of the solar system. It's a wonderful thing Youtube isn't it? So many experts on there and you can learn something new every day, eh? :P
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Sat May 19, 2012 1:31 am

Very, very sad. And so unnecessary as well - all because of a bunch of scammers who promote this tripe to make money and the legions of crackpots who then spread it all over Youtube and everywhere else. Anyway, this appeared in a local newspaper in Bath, UK today and I believe the national press followed it up as well:

Teenage girl hangs herself because of "2012 Doomsday"

Bill Hudson will be putting it up on the homepage of http://www.2012hoax.org , and a comment was posted under the article by a guy who posts on the Facebook page, with a link to the website.
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Fri May 25, 2012 7:21 pm

FYI, I have just mirrored Dr David Morrison's excellent "The Truth About Nibiru" video by uploading it on my channel and I asked a few questions to the Nibirologists in the uploader's notes. Doubt if we'll get any sensible answers, but might save having to keep repeatedly asking those basic questions all the time in the comments ...



Mirrored from Dr Morrison's original upload here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TIy-t48uU0 and many thanks to him for putting it up.

Some questions I would like to ask any Nibiru proponents who watch this video:

1. Why do Nibiru proponents disagree with each other about what Nibiru is and where it is? Some say it's a planet, some say it's a brown dwarf star etc. Some say it's "above the South Pole," but the other day somebody claimed it was "above the Arctic" Some say it's "hiding behind the sun" and others still say it's "coming from the Orion Belt." Terral03 said the other day it was "coming from Regulus." You also give widely differing arrival dates - in fact we were originally assured it would be here in 2003. So why all the different versions?

2. If it's due here in December, why is it not very clearly visible right now with the naked eye to billions of people all over the world? Why did hundreds of thousands of amateur astronomers around the world not see it many years ago through telescopes? Why haven't they been discussing it at all in any of the many amateur astronomy forums on the internet? For example: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php ?

3. Why do Nibiru proponents keep going on about IRAS in 1983? Please point out exactly where in the Washington Post story it says that Nibiru has been found. Why are you getting all excited about some infrared galaxies many millions of light years away, that the Washington Post didn't follow up on because it wasn't exciting enough for them, but was reported in science journals such as this: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1985ApJ...290L...5H ? Is it because you believe that an entire galaxy will be here now in Dec and not just a planet, or whatever it's supposed to be?

4. Please explain how Nibiru can have the highly-elliptical Earth-approaching orbit it's claimed to have by some, when Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion show that that is impossible. http://www.2012hoax.org/nibiru Cheers.

And for anyone who's scared by all the "2012 Doomsday" and / or "Nibiru" tripe, please visit http://www.2012hoax.org where all the reasons that it's nonsense are explained with science and common sense. No need to be scared, thanks!


So watch the comments and we'll see wot appens then ... :roll:
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Re: The Battle of Nibiru

Postby Smersh » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:10 pm

Quite a lot has been going down on the doomsday nutters front in recent weeks, so here's an update.

Donny Gillson:

Various scammers have been getting much discussion at http://www.2012hoax.org , such as Donny Gillson, aka UrsuAdams (a YT username) aka Ben Enoch and various other aliases, who has a (once) very popular website here and several Youtube channels on which he spouts his lies. He also has a twice-weekly online radio show. He's a routine liar, but because of efforts made by several good people, his popularity is showing distinct signs of waning dramatically. He claims to have evidence of Nibiru, but keeps changing his story and shows photos of known astronomical objects, lens flares, photoshops etc in many different locations in the sky.

Gillson is buddies with various other crackpots, such as Alfred Lambremont Webre, who amongst other things informed us in one of his articles that Barack Obama was teleported to Mars in 1980 by the CIA. Last year Webre was banned from writing articles in the Examiner. Even though the Examiner publishes articles from people such as Michael Salla and has quite a number of items about the claims of Richard Hoagland, Webre was apparently too nutty even by their standards.

Amongst many other videos put out by Donny Gillson, there is this one, featuring him and Webre in a radio discussion. It's an hour and 16 mins long, but I didn't manage to get much further than the opening title of "Comet Elenin and brown dwarf star are part of ET reptilian invasion," so I certainly wouldn't blame anyone here if they can't endure it for much longer than that either.

Gillson has tried to have various debunkers' videos and channels removed over DMCA copyright claims and tends to target women with his threats, such as LadyHarleyRider (an amateur astronomer) and JerseySkies (another amateur astronomer.) He was successful in getting one of LadyHarleyRider's Youtube channels shut down but thanks to the fine efforts of people like TruthResearcherP1 (against whom he has also issued many DMCA claims) practically all of his copyright claims have either failed immediately or been overturned by Youtube following reviews. You can read all about Donny Gillson, his lies, deceit and threats, with links to debunkers' channels and videos etc in an article at 2012hoax.org here.

Pane Andov:

Andov claims to be in contact with an alien civilisation and amongst other things has informed the world that the Sun will enter its red giant phase, some 5 billion years before expected, on December 23rd 2012. He has a couple of websites in which he peddles all kinds of useless stuff for sale and has also embarked on lucrative lecture tours in which he further promotes his snake oil.

Following him coming to the attention of 2012hoax, in which amongst various forum threads there is a currently an article about him underway here, he has come to dislike Bill Hudson quite a lot and managed to give us some excellent publicity with this rant.

John Moore:

From article about John Moore currently under construction at 2012hoax.org here:

Who is John Moore

Acording to his own website The Liberty Man, he fought in Vietnam and is now a retired military veteran and whistleblower, telling you what the government doesn't want you to know, at least acording to his own words. He also hosts a radio show called The John Moore Show where he talks about claimed "Earth changes".

He is also, like many other proponents, profiting from his claims by scaring people into buying the survival gear and DVDs sold on his website ...


Moore has uploaded several videos on Youtube and his latest claim is that Nibiru will arrive "between Aug 17th and Sept 26th 2012." Isn't it odd how we can predict eclipses and very accurate positions of planets for millions of years into the future, but with Nibiru it's all guesswork? They always guess wrong as well of course …

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As for my own personal involvement in trying to counter all this nuttiness, a few days ago and amongst other things I mirrored David Morrison's latest video on my bugbait42 Youtube channel:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH0xSzFul1w

Various crackpots, scammers and hoaxers crawled out of the woodwork almost immediately to post ridiculous comments, but only yesterday there was a comment by a user who said he was 11 years old and contemplating suicide, because he was very scared about Nibiru. Anyway, my friend Bikenbeer2000 and myself replied to him in various comments and also gave him a link to 2012hoax.org, and now he says he no longer believes the claims about Nibiru and is not scared any more.

Amongst several nutters who have posted comments (and continue to do so) there's one called anno636 who, after making several visible comments, sent the following private message to Bikenbeer2000, which Bikenbeer then copy/pasted into a visible comment:

'This was sent to me by anno636:

"If someone is stupid enough to kill themselfs then like i give a f----,i could'nt careless"

Perhaps in sending this to me privately, he didn't want everyone to see what sort of a wonderful human being he really is. Sorry to disappoint him.'
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