Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby gunter » Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:30 pm

But then again, I would never expect for you to engage in a real, honest political dialectic


Like this?
Who has no clue, nor experience, in leading. His idea of leadership is giving good teleprompter, and his naive and mistaken belief was that was all that was necessary to "lead the sheeple" to his wonderous new world of hope-n-change. Even the liberal-dem dopes in Europe have not bought his snake oil! That right there is EPIC FAIL. He is an empty suit.
Hey Ray- there seems to be a beam in your eye. :lol:
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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Wed Jun 30, 2010 3:22 pm

gunter wrote:Like this?
Who has no clue, nor experience, in leading. His idea of leadership is giving good teleprompter, and his naive and mistaken belief was that was all that was necessary to "lead the sheeple" to his wonderous new world of hope-n-change. Even the liberal-dem dopes in Europe have not bought his snake oil! That right there is EPIC FAIL. He is an empty suit.
Hey Ray- there seems to be a beam in your eye. :lol:


You should note that they are all honest (and for the most part accurate) assessments of his performance, and not merely attacks on his character or physical attributes. Whereas character attacks are pretty much all you have done for Bush (unless you can explain to me how putting a photo of a chimp next to a photo of Bush is somehow a valid comment on Bush's performance as POTUS). But then again, if I were to put a photo of Obama next to a chimp, it would be called a racist act.

And I predict that even in response to this post, you will come back with a flippant (and therefore irrelevant) comment, either about me, Bush, or both.

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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby gunter » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:02 pm

You should note that they are all honest (and for the most part accurate) assessments of his performance,
hahahahaha Duly noted! Thanks!
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Toon For Office?

Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:10 pm

Even the thought would make one shiver.

However, given the behavior we see from the US Rep in the following story, it seems the Dems have no problem with insulting citizens and even their own constituents that they are elected to serve.

Congressman hurls snide insults at people concerned about the porous border!

It is all just more evidence that politics-as-usual is not going to go away, and part of that landscape of politics is denigrating constituents that do not share your personal political views. That demonstrates the false belief that Congresspeople tend to think they were elected to promulgate their own beliefs, rather than watch out for all the concerns of their constituents.

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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby gunter » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:16 pm

Very true, Ray. And now to continue our dialectic with an illustration I thought you might like. Enjoy!



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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:18 am

You Can Call Me Ray wrote:Lying about not using alternate names? Concealing the things he wrote during his well-known "socialist" days. The suspicion of SS fraud.


Follow-up to the video that I posted along with this comment. I sent it on to a few friends. One forwarded it to another friend, and here is the comment we got back:

This video made me mad when I saw it. I forwarded to Bill and he posted it on a tech industry blog he belongs to. Within minutes the Yahoo cybercops had removed it and posted a warning about displaying "offensive" material.


So we have come to this? So much for free speech on the internet. I guess now speaking truths (inconvenient ones) about Obama are now considered "offensive." Oh, and we are told that no one should worry that Obama wants a giant internet "OFF" switch. Yeah, right. Bite me, Barry Soetero.

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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby Chorlton » Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:06 am

Ray. With respect ti that vidoe about Obama. Has any of it been 100% verified and proven?
Its very easy to make Youtube Videos slagging people off but they provide no ultimat proof of their allegations.

I'd like to see some actualy documentation before I gave it 1% credibility, even then I would be doubtfull.
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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby gunter » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:14 pm

Rest assured, brother, that it's as credible and objective as anything else YouCanCallMe posts.
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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby ryguy » Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:07 pm

This is also trolling - you are not providing any valid arguments Gunter. You are simply following Ray around and throwing around moronic quips and posting stupid pictures. If you have a legitimate argument to cite with valid references and if you're capable of holding a mature discussion then do so.
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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby gunter » Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:28 pm

ryguy wrote:This is also trolling - you are not providing any valid arguments Gunter. You are simply following Ray around and throwing around moronic quips and posting stupid pictures. If you have a legitimate argument to cite with valid references and if you're capable of holding a mature discussion then do so.

Really? And what of this incisive comment?

Bite me, Barry Soetero.


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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby Zep Tepi » Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:55 pm

I can see where there is going...
What Ray posted is entirely different to your badgering of him. Time out.
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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:03 pm

Chorlton wrote:Ray. With respect ti that vidoe about Obama. Has any of it been 100% verified and proven?
Its very easy to make Youtube Videos slagging people off but they provide no ultimat proof of their allegations.

I'd like to see some actualy documentation before I gave it 1% credibility, even then I would be doubtfull.


Well, what exactly are you wishing to see proof for, Chorly old boy? I think the fact his name was Soetero is documented everywhere, and not even contested by Obama himself. And the more damning is the document that not only shows his student name as Soetero, but states he is a citizen of Indonesia.

I'm sure you can find the pics of the school registration doc, and its english translation, just as quickly as I was able to.

If you are looking for proof of other things, wouldn't you find it interesting that Obama, himself, is fighting in court all the attempts to uncover his information about his past? WHY does Obama not want us to read pretty much ANYTHING he wrote in college?

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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby Chorlton » Sat Jul 03, 2010 9:06 am

You Can Call Me Ray wrote:
Chorlton wrote:Ray. With respect ti that vidoe about Obama. Has any of it been 100% verified and proven?
Its very easy to make Youtube Videos slagging people off but they provide no ultimat proof of their allegations.

I'd like to see some actualy documentation before I gave it 1% credibility, even then I would be doubtfull.


Well, what exactly are you wishing to see proof for, Chorly old boy? I think the fact his name was Soetero is documented everywhere, and not even contested by Obama himself. And the more damning is the document that not only shows his student name as Soetero, but states he is a citizen of Indonesia.

I'm sure you can find the pics of the school registration doc, and its english translation, just as quickly as I was able to.

If you are looking for proof of other things, wouldn't you find it interesting that Obama, himself, is fighting in court all the attempts to uncover his information about his past? WHY does Obama not want us to read pretty much ANYTHING he wrote in college?

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Ray, Im a British national by Birth, an Australian citizen by Naturalisation, and a Thai citizen (for other reasons)
That Obama is an Indonesian citizen doesnt condemn him does it?. or does one have to be Born an American to become President?
Im not trying to defend Obama at all. I would use the same criteria in asessing him as I do UFO stuff.
Whilst you might be able to find all that stuff, the video does not. It just throws out a lot of allegations and fuzzy stills.
I'd need a lot more than that before I went along with it.
If what is stated in the Video is true than I would suggest the problem lies in your political syatem of checks and your FBI CIA and police. Then again surely a person is judged by his deeds?.
In my opinion Bush was more a Manchurian Candidate than Obama. At most times i doubt Bush even knew how to spell his name, his business record was horrendous and his political and business contacts were questionable to say the least. To state that he set up Afghanistan and its President to further his own and US Oil and Gas interest is pretty well documented, but that fact that he sent half the wordl to war for that is, in my opinion despicable.

Whilst Im not a great fan of Obama, what I see from this side of the pond isnt that bad at all and far preferable to the world than the 2 Bush's presidencies.
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Re: Obama Watch - Keeping an Eye on U.S. Leadership

Postby oboe » Sun Jul 04, 2010 10:35 pm

Chorlton wrote:That Obama is an Indonesian citizen doesnt condemn him does it?. or does one have to be Born an American to become President?


Technically, yes, for someone to become President they are supposed to be a natural-born citizen.
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Oil Spill Response WORSE Than Katrina Response!

Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:02 pm

Well, here is something that Obama clearly cannot blame on Bush. And given how long this situation has been going on, as compared to the relatively shorter span of the Katrina disaster, it is hard to see how Obama's response is not completely inept.

From Lawrence Solomon:

Avertible catastrophe

A drilling platform near the Transocean Discoverer Enterprise drillship burns off gas collected at the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill on June 25, 2010 in the Gulf of Mexico

Lawrence Solomon, Financial Post • Saturday, Jun. 26, 2010 Some are attuned to the possibility of looming catastrophe and know how to head it off. Others are unprepared for risk and even unable to get their priorities straight when risk turns to reality.

The Dutch fall into the first group. Three days after the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico began on April 20, the Netherlands offered the U.S. government ships equipped to handle a major spill, one much larger than the BP spill that then appeared to be underway. "Our system can handle 400 cubic metres per hour," Weird Koops, the chairman of Spill Response Group Holland, told Radio Netherlands Worldwide, giving each Dutch ship more cleanup capacity than all the ships that the U.S. was then employing in the Gulf to combat the spill.

To protect against the possibility that its equipment wouldn't capture all the oil gushing from the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, the Dutch also offered to prepare for the U.S. a contingency plan to protect Louisiana's marshlands with sand barriers. One Dutch research institute specializing in deltas, coastal areas and rivers, in fact, developed a strategy to begin building 60-mile-long sand dikes within three weeks.

The Dutch know how to handle maritime emergencies. In the event of an oil spill, The Netherlands government, which owns its own ships and high-tech skimmers, gives an oil company 12 hours to demonstrate it has the spill in hand. If the company shows signs of unpreparedness, the government dispatches its own ships at the oil company's expense. "If there's a country that's experienced with building dikes and managing water, it's the Netherlands," says Geert Visser, the Dutch consul general in Houston.

In sharp contrast to Dutch preparedness before the fact and the Dutch instinct to dive into action once an emergency becomes apparent, witness the American reaction to the Dutch offer of help. The U.S. government responded with "Thanks but no thanks," remarked Visser, despite BP's desire to bring in the Dutch equipment and despite the no-lose nature of the Dutch offer --the Dutch government offered the use of its equipment at no charge. Even after the U.S. refused, the Dutch kept their vessels on standby, hoping the Americans would come round. By May 5, the U.S. had not come round. To the contrary, the U.S. had also turned down offers of help from 12 other governments, most of them with superior expertise and equipment --unlike the U.S., Europe has robust fleets of Oil Spill Response Vessels that sail circles around their make-shift U.S. counterparts.

Why does neither the U.S. government nor U.S. energy companies have on hand the cleanup technology available in Europe? Ironically, the superior European technology runs afoul of U.S. environmental rules. The voracious Dutch vessels, for example, continuously suck up vast quantities of oily water, extract most of the oil and then spit overboard vast quantities of nearly oil-free water. Nearly oil-free isn't good enough for the U.S. regulators, who have a standard of 15 parts per million -- if water isn't at least 99.9985% pure, it may not be returned to the Gulf of Mexico.

When ships in U.S. waters take in oil-contaminated water, they are forced to store it. As U.S. Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, the official in charge of the clean-up operation, explained in a press briefing on June 11, "We have skimmed, to date, about 18 million gallons of oily water--the oil has to be decanted from that [and] our yield is usually somewhere around 10% or 15% on that." In other words, U.S. ships have mostly been removing water from the Gulf, requiring them to make up to 10 times as many trips to storage facilities where they off-load their oil-water mixture, an approach Koops calls "crazy."

The Americans, overwhelmed by the catastrophic consequences of the BP spill, finally relented and took the Dutch up on their offer -- but only partly. Because the U.S. didn't want Dutch ships working the Gulf, the U.S. airlifted the Dutch equipment to the Gulf and then retrofitted it to U.S. vessels. And rather than have experienced Dutch crews immediately operate the oil-skimming equipment, to appease labour unions the U.S. postponed the clean-up operation to allow U.S. crews to be trained.

A catastrophe that could have been averted is now playing out. With oil increasingly reaching the Gulf coast, the emergency construction of sand berms to minimize the damage is imperative. Again, the U.S. government priority is on U.S. jobs, with the Dutch asked to train American workers rather than to build the berns. According to Floris Van Hovell, a spokesman for the Dutch embassy in Washington, Dutch dredging ships could complete the berms in Louisiana twice as fast as the U.S. companies awarded the work. "Given the fact that there is so much oil on a daily basis coming in, you do not have that much time to protect the marshlands," he says, perplexed that the U.S. government could be so focussed on side issues with the entire Gulf Coast hanging in the balance.

Then again, perhaps he should not be all that perplexed at the American tolerance for turning an accident into a catastrophe. When the Exxon Valdez oil tanker accident occurred off the coast of Alaska in 1989, a Dutch team with clean-up equipment flew in to Anchorage airport to offer their help. To their amazement, they were rebuffed and told to go home with their equipment. The Exxon Valdez became the biggest oil spill disaster in U.S. history--until the BP Gulf spill.


-- Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Energy Probe and author of The Deniers.


More important to appease labor unions (i.e. play politics) than it is to address an ongoing catastrophe. Wow, that is some really awesome "hope and change", isn't it?

EPIC FAIL, Barry.
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