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Postby Max » Fri Mar 16, 2007 9:28 pm

Thug-like behavior begets thug-like behavior.

Therefore, the responses to toon.

I don't think anyone has given anything YOU have said a thug-like response. If so, please refresh.
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:02 pm

Max wrote:Thug-like behavior begets thug-like behavior.

Therefore, the responses to toon.

I don't think anyone has given anything YOU have said a thug-like response. If so, please refresh.


nah- a BUG like response. thanks.
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Postby ryguy » Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:06 pm

Max wrote:I don't think anyone has given anything YOU have said a thug-like response. If so, please refresh.


I meant it in general. You are each above that kind of response. I believe it might have been you - or someone sensible on this forum, who said before - two wrongs do not make a right. Right?

You also convinced me earlier that many here (including yourself) have become accustomed to Toon's eccentricity and unique humor.

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:15 pm

Further proof that Donald Trump reads RU.

This just in from Matt Drudge: http://drudgereport.com/flash2.htm
Donald Trump goes off on President Bush in a scathing attack during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on the Friday edition of CNN's 'Situation Room.

"Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States. And I just don't understand how [the Democrats] could have lost that election."

MORE...

"Everything in Washington has been a lie. Weapons of mass destruction, it was a total lie. It was a way of attacking Iraq, which he thought was going to be easy and it turned out to be the exact opposite of easy.


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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:03 pm

Newsweek Poll: 3/17/07

Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?

Approve Disapprove Don't know

30% 60% 10%

Americans are smarter than you think.

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From the Catholic New Times, 2003:
Pope fears Bush is antichrist, journalist contends - Church - journalist Wayne Madsden - Brief Article
Catholic New Times, May 18, 2003

WASHINGTON DC -- According to freelance journalist Wayne Madsden, "George W Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs and his constant references to 'evil doers,' in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations--the anti-Christ."

Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament.

Before he became pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel."

The pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim they had not seen the pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the pope did convince the leaders of Mexico, Chile, Cameroon and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution.

Madsen contends that "Bush is a dangerous right-wing ideologue who couples his political fanaticism with a neo-Christian blood cult."

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Postby I.P.Freely » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:03 am

Toon let it go already if you could channel some of that energy into something a bit more constructive that would be great. I got some painting at my house you could do.
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:48 am

I.P.Freely wrote:Toon let it go already if you could channel some of that energy into something a bit more constructive that would be great. I got some painting at my house you could do.


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do you really believe that painting your house is more important than exposing this vile cabal that is undermining the Republic? that's exactly the kind of head-in-the-sand attitude that allowed these crooks and liars to steal the presidency in the first place.
(Ryan) "Actually - Diebold voting machines in Ohio re-elected him...but let's not go there...lol"


i'm beginning to feel like that guy in the last scene of the 'body snatchers.' there is no more important exercise of freedom than standing up for the Bill of Rights. it's said that 'resistance is futile,' but we're nonetheless obligated as patriots to make the attempt to resist this borg. nothing- nothing is more important.
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Postby Max » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:39 pm

Has anybody told toon that Bush isn't running for anything???? Sort of a waste of a political campaign he's conducting.
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Postby ryguy » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:05 pm

Max wrote:Has anybody told toon that Bush isn't running for anything???? Sort of a waste of a political campaign he's conducting.


LOL...yeah, I personally gave up after 2004. The contenders in 2008 are where the real battle lines are being drawn. As long as one of the Bush family doesn't run - in which case I seriously will need to move to Canada.

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Postby Max » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:28 pm

ryguy wrote:
LOL...yeah, I personally gave up after 2004. The contenders in 2008 are where the real battle lines are being drawn. As long as one of the Bush family doesn't run - in which case I seriously will need to move to Canada.

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After which we will call you Alec. Or, would you prefer Whoopie??
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Postby ryguy » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:32 pm

Max wrote:After which we will call you Alec. Or, would you prefer Whoopie??


Well...if I continue down this current path of research I'm on in regards to the meat industry - you can call me Oprah. ;-)

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:33 pm

Hey Oprah,

What about impeachment? It's getting close. Are you in favor?

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:40 pm

Gonzales’s Fall, Bush’s Impeachment?

by James Bovard


Alberto Gonzales will soon be ejected from the Justice Department. Bush’s Attorney General has been caught in too many flagrant lies and abuses. The real question is whether Gonzo’s fall will signal the beginning of the end of the Bush reign.

Gonzo’s fall will be widely seen as a result of shenanigans and deceits involving the firing of 8 U.S. attorneys. The White House and top Justice Department officials seem to have colluded to deep-six attorneys who threatened Republican congressmen or appointees. The pending congressional testimony by Gonzo’s former chief of staff, Kyle Sampson, could create new problems for the White House.

But Bush is probably in much greater danger from the derailing a Justice Department investigation into Gonzo’s possibly criminality. Murray Waas, one of the best investigative journalists in DC, has a new piece on Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’s role in derailing a Justice Department investigation of his own possible criminality. Waas reported last Thursday at the National Journal web page.

Shortly before Attorney General Alberto Gonzales advised President Bush last year on whether to shut down a Justice Department inquiry regarding the administration’s warrantless domestic eavesdropping program, Gonzales learned that his own conduct would likely be a focus of the investigation, according to government records and interviews. Bush personally intervened to sideline the Justice Department probe in April 2006 by taking the unusual step of denying investigators the security clearances necessary for their work.

The Justice Department investigation could have exposed on the role of Bush and his top advisors in masterminding a program that some of the federal government’s top experts considered to be clearly illegal. Waas noted, "According to accounts that Gonzales and his aides gave to others in the department, Gonzales did advise Bush on the issue of the OPR inquiry."

Thus, Bush may have knowingly derailed an investigation that could have exposed his own criminal conduct. This may be even too brazen an abuse of power for many Republicans to stomach.

It is ironic that Gonzo will probably get sunk for his role in firing and lying about U.S. attorneys, considering that he had so many worse offenses. It was only a few months ago that Gonzales notified a shocked Senate Judiciary Committee that the Constitution did not guarantee habeas corpus, despite explicit language to the contrary.

In early 2002, Gonzo wrote a memo to Bush effectively urging him to scorn prohibitions in federal law and in the Geneva Convention banning torture. Gonzales, then serving as White House counsel, revealed: "The nature of the new war places a high premium on other factors, such as the ability to quickly obtain information from captured terrorists and their sponsors in order to avoid further atrocities against American civilians. In my judgment, this new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva’s strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions."

On June 22, 2004, Gonzales publicly declared that Bush possessed "commander-in-chief override power" over the Constitution and the federal law in the conflict with Al Qaeda. This "override power" is something that exists in the minds of conservative absolutists, not the Constitution.

In January 2005, after Bush nominated him to replace John Ashcroft as Attorney General, Gonzales testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) asked what, in most hearings, would have been considered a slow-pitch question: "Do you believe there are circumstances where... the War Crimes Act would not apply to U.S. personnel?"

Gonzales responded as if he had been asked to solve the riddle of the Sphinx: "Senator, I don’t believe that that would be the case. But I would like the opportunity – I know I want to be very candid with you and obviously thorough in my response to that question. It is sort of a legal conclusion, and I would like to have the opportunity to get back to you on that."

Durbin later asked: "Can U.S. personnel legally engage in torture under any circumstances?" Gonzales again struggled: "I don’t believe so, but I’d want to get back to you on that and make sure I don’t provide a misleading answer." Torture was obviously going to be the hottest topic of the confirmation hearing, and yet Gonzales repeatedly sounded as if it was a novel topic that he would need to visit a law library to learn about before forming an opinion.

Gonzales will be difficult to replace – in more ways that one. The Senate Democrats will probably not confirm some obvious hatchet man. Bush has "benefitted" from two Attorney Generals who were profoundly dishonest and demagogic. No matter what the Bush administration did, they could be counted on to rubberstamp it as legal – or "close enough for government work" legal.

If the next Attorney General is halfway honest and opens the files of what has been done since 2001, even damn moderates will be shocked. There are bombshells waiting to detonate on the torture scandal, on Iraq, and other dishonest and illegal gross abuses. For instance, the ACLU released a CIA letter in November confirming the existence of "a directive signed by President Bush granting the CIA the authority to set up detention facilities outside the United States and outlining interrogation methods that may be used against detainees." This confirms a May 2004 email from the FBI’s "On Scene Commander" in Baghdad regarding a secret "presidential Executive Order" permitting extreme interrogation techniques considered illegal by the FBI including "sensory deprivation through the use of hoods," stress positions, and military dogs.

The Justice Department has so far blocked release of Bush’s secret order. If this Bush order becomes public, it may be akin to a 1972 memo from Richard Nixon specifying the exact methods of lock-picking the Watergate burglars should use. Bush’s involvement in the torture scandal may be far deeper than Nixon’s involvement in Watergate.

The Bush administration has survived because it has succeeded in keeping the lid on so many scandals. Any change in top personnel raises the risks of lids slipping. New appointees will not want to put their heads on the chopping block to cover up crimes that occurred before they got the corner office.

Democratic subpoenas are beginning to darken the D.C. sky like the English arrows at Agincourt. The subpoenas and scandals generate congressional testimony which spur the number of political appointees who could be indicted for perjury. The scandals are accelerating while support for the Bush administration seems to be collapsing.

At best, Bush may need to award more Medals of Freedom this year than ever before. At worst, he may need to resurrect Gerald Ford and his all-inclusive "from the first day to the last day" pardon for himself and his nearest, dearest co-conspirators.

March 20, 2007

James Bovard [send him mail] is the author of the just-released Attention Deficit Democracy, The Bush Betrayal, and Terrorism & Tyranny: Trampling Freedom, Justice, and Peace to Rid the World of Evil. He serves as a policy advisor for The Future of Freedom Foundation. Visit his website.

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Postby ryguy » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:51 pm

cartoonsyndicate wrote:Hey Oprah,

What about impeachment? It's getting close. Are you in favor?

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Yes - I've been for it since 2005. There are several offenses that are just as impeachable, or more so, than perjury. I felt Clinton should have been impeached as well, to be honest. But much more so this time - the offenses are more numerous and more serious. Do I think it'll happen? No...the family is much too powerful with too many connections. The good ol' boy network is alive and well in Texas.

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:08 am

I felt Clinton should have been impeached as well, to be honest.


jeezizzz- for what? a blow job? if that's a high crime we're all screwed!

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oh! i know! for lying about it, right? damn! we're all doubly screwed!

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