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Postby Max » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:47 am

Toon, this is just for you:


> The lady who wrote this letter is Pam Foster of Pamela Foster and
> Associates in Atlanta . She's been in business since 1980 doing interior
> design and home planning. She recently wrote a letter to a family member
> serving in Iraq ....... Read it!


>
> "Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not
> started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11,
> 2001 ?
> Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally
> murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from our
> nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?
> Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible,
> burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
> And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated"
> when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?
> Well, I don't. I don't care at all.
> I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents
> for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
> I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start
> caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in
> Saudi Arabia.
> I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for
> hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling
> slashed throat.
> I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out
> and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding
> in mosques.
> I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search
> of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their
> suicide bombs.
> I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First
> Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead
> of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
>
> In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up
> an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
> When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have
> been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest
> assured that I don't care.
> When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told
> not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the
> bank that I don't care.
> When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat,
> and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is
> complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely
> believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.
> And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran"
> and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and ---- you guessed it
> - - I don't care ! ! ! ! !
> If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your e-mail
> friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this
> ridiculous behavior!
> If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button.
> Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more
> atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great
> country.
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Tue Feb 06, 2007 5:22 am

Emotions aside- read what a true Conservative, Scott McConnell, editor of TAC has to say about the repuglican party. The last remaining supporters of Dumbya turn out to be Laura, Barney, Max and some interior decorator from Atlanta.

November 20, 2006 Issue
Copyright © 2006 The American Conservative

GOP Must Go

Next week Americans will vote for candidates who have spent much of their campaigns addressing state and local issues. But no future historian will linger over the ideas put forth for improving schools or directing funds to highway projects.

The meaning of this election will be interpreted in one of two ways: the American people endorsed the Bush presidency or they did what they could to repudiate it. Such an interpretation will be simplistic, even unfairly so. Nevertheless, the fact that will matter is the raw number of Republicans and Democrats elected to the House and Senate.

It should surprise few readers that we think a vote that is seen—in America and the world at large—as a decisive “No” vote on the Bush presidency is the best outcome. We need not dwell on George W. Bush’s failed effort to jam a poorly disguised amnesty for illegal aliens through Congress or the assaults on the Constitution carried out under the pretext of fighting terrorism or his administration’s endorsement of torture. Faced on Sept. 11, 2001 with a great challenge, President Bush made little effort to understand who had attacked us and why—thus ignoring the prerequisite for crafting an effective response. He seemingly did not want to find out, and he had staffed his national-security team with people who either did not want to know or were committed to a prefabricated answer.

As a consequence, he rushed America into a war against Iraq, a war we are now losing and cannot win, one that has done far more to strengthen Islamist terrorists than anything they could possibly have done for themselves. Bush’s decision to seize Iraq will almost surely leave behind a broken state divided into warring ethnic enclaves, with hundreds of thousands killed and maimed and thousands more thirsting for revenge against the country that crossed the ocean to attack them. The invasion failed at every level: if securing Israel was part of the administration’s calculation—as the record suggests it was for several of his top aides—the result is also clear: the strengthening of Iran’s hand in the Persian Gulf, with a reach up to Israel’s northern border, and the elimination of the most powerful Arab state that might stem Iranian regional hegemony.

The war will continue as long as Bush is in office, for no other reason than the feckless president can’t face the embarrassment of admitting defeat. The chain of events is not complete: Bush, having learned little from his mistakes, may yet seek to embroil America in new wars against Iran and Syria.

Meanwhile, America’s image in the world, its capacity to persuade others that its interests are common interests, is lower than it has been in memory. All over the world people look at Bush and yearn for this country—which once symbolized hope and justice—to be humbled. The professionals in the Bush administration (and there are some) realize the damage his presidency has done to American prestige and diplomacy. But there is not much they can do.

There may be little Americans can do to atone for this presidency, which will stain our country’s reputation for a long time. But the process of recovering our good name must begin somewhere, and the logical place is in the voting booth this Nov. 7. If we are fortunate, we can produce a result that is seen—in Washington, in Peoria, and in world capitals from Prague to Kuala Lumpur—as a repudiation of George W. Bush and the war of aggression he launched against Iraq.

We have no illusions that a Democratic majority would be able to reverse Bush’s policies, even if they had a plan to. We are aware that on a host of issues the Democrats are further from TAC’s positions than the Republicans are. The House members who blocked the Bush amnesty initiative are overwhelmingly Republican. But immigration has not played out in an entirely partisan manner this electoral season: in many races the Democrat has been more conservative than the open-borders, Big Business Republican. A Democratic House and Senate is, in our view, a risk immigration reformers should be willing to take. We can’t conceive of a newly elected Democrat in a swing district who would immediately alienate his constituency by voting for amnesty. We simply don’t believe a Democratic majority would give the Republicans such an easy route to return to power. Indeed, we anticipate that Democratic office holders will follow the polls on immigration just as Republicans have, and all the popular momentum is towards greater border enforcement.

On Nov. 7, the world will be watching as we go to the polls, seeking to ascertain whether the American people have the wisdom to try to correct a disastrous course. Posterity will note too if their collective decision is one that captured the attention of historians—that of a people voting, again and again, to endorse a leader taking a country in a catastrophic direction. The choice is in our hands.

November 20, 2006 Issue


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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:40 pm

Max wrote:Oh, and BTW would please provide the names of the cases and of the actual American citizens, that have been injured by the assault on the Constitution that all you "neo-pinkos" (ha!, I love that! I just made that up!) keep harping about so shrilly?!


and of course there is also this:

First they came for the Socialists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left
to speak up for me.

to which i would add:

then they came for max
but he wore a brown shirt under his white sheet
and so he was safe.
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Postby ryguy » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:25 pm

cartoonsyndicate wrote:but he wore a brown shirt under his white sheet
and so he was safe.


Watch it Toon. You don't need to edge that line, it's inappropriate.
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Postby Max » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:34 pm

cartoonsyndicate wrote:Emotions aside- read what a true Conservative, Scott McConnell, editor of TAC has to say about the repuglican party. The last remaining supporters of Dumbya turn out to be Laura, Barney, Max and some interior decorator from Atlanta.
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Politics do make strange bedfellows don't they? After all the ranting against the Repug-licans, you now ally yourself with one of your hated enemies in order to buttress your non-sensical argument. When it's convenient for you all the republicans are thieves, rich, steal from the poor, etc, etc. But if you find one in agreement with one of your positions, then they're not ALL bad!!!

And McConnell is a "true" conservative according to who? You??!!! p-lease!

You would do yourself a favor if you tried to reason these things out on your own instead of attaching yourself to the nearest Repug-lican, neo-pansy-Democrat or EBEN, You wouldn't fall into so many Bear traps full of Rocky Mountain cow chips as your arguments tend to do.


As for:

//""First they came for the Socialists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left
to speak up for me.
to which i would add:
then they came for max
but he wore a brown shirt under his white sheet
and so he was safe.""//

My understanding of where that arose was during WWII, NAZI concentration camps and the "Final Solution". Sort of like the final solutions that the Islamic radicals have in mind for ALL of the infidels of Western civilization.

And as I remember, all of those victims had NAMES, (not just numbers). MILLIONS of them. I'm still waiting for ONE name from you indicating to me an American Citizen who has been harmed by your "assault on the constitution".

When I went in the military I swore an oath to uphold the constitution. Not the President, Congress, Supreme Court, or Hooters. (well, maybe Hooters) When I became a Federal worker afterwards, to my non-surprise, it was the same oath. The millions of us who are fanatics about the the Bill of Rights and the 2nd amendment therein are waiting and ready to do the same, again, if necessary. What are you doing besides blithering???!!!

ONE name, please.

AS usual you have no clue as to what you are talking about:

When "THEY" came and nationalized my grandfathers ranch in Cuba I saw one of my heroes cry. When "they" came and took away his dairy business, and his house, I saw a broken MAN who eventually died of a broken heart for having failed to protect his family and everything he had worked a lifetime for.

Don't try to tell someone about when "they" come for you when that person was there when "they" came. You have no clue.

And who were "they"? The exact same ones who were cheering Jane Fonda and causing extra beatings to be administered to heroes like John McCain. Who btw, had refused to leave his fellow prisoners behind when an offer was presented to him to do just that. He replied, I'd love to leave if everybody comes with me. Now THERE is one of your thieving Repuglicans for you! "They" were also the same ones who sounded exactly like the neo-pinkos of today and were wringing their hand HYPOCRITICALLY, ABOUT THE AMERICAN SOLDIER, WHO THEY LATER SPAT ON, much as today's non-contributors are wringing their hands about today's soldiers.

Where you there with Jane?????

Trying to find a lucid intelligent argument in your rants is like going thru the wastebasket of a paper-shredder trying to find a specific sentence.

Oh, and by the way, next time one of your neo-pinko friends/politicians tell me how the Constitution doesn't REALLY give me the right own guns, I'm going to quote my friend the interior decorator: I DON"T CARE!
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Postby Max » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:36 pm

ryguy wrote:
cartoonsyndicate wrote:but he wore a brown shirt under his white sheet
and so he was safe.


Watch it Toon. You don't need to edge that line, it's inappropriate.


I don't mind, RY. Forgive him, I do. We're both having some fun at each other's expense. We understand one-another.
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Postby I.P.Freely » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:26 pm

Max after reading how uncaring Mrs. Foster is I was wondering

If like her you believe that the crimes of a few justify punishment of many.

If like her you believe that the life of a american has more worth then that of a non-american

If like her you believe that its ok to allow the real murderer of the 3000 on 9-11 to go unpunished while allowing the production of heroin to explode.

If like her you believe that its ok to force a form of goverment on other nations.

If like her you believe that you can be a christian by rejecting the teachings of christ.

I sure hope not I feel very sorry for that woman.
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:45 pm

I.P.Freely wrote:Max after reading how uncaring Mrs. Foster is I was wondering

If like her you believe that the crimes of a few justify punishment of many.

If like her you believe that the life of a american has more worth then that of a non-american

If like her you believe that its ok to allow the real murderer of the 3000 on 9-11 to go unpunished while allowing the production of heroin to explode.

If like her you believe that its ok to force a form of goverment on other nations.

If like her you believe that you can be a christian by rejecting the teachings of christ.

I sure hope not I feel very sorry for that woman.


Just for the record- I agree with every word of this little rant by that other resident neo-pinko, ipfreely. Especially this:
If like her you believe that you can be a christian by rejecting the teachings of christ.


Repuglicanism will never replace the Beatitudes.

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Postby MikeJamieson » Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:00 pm

Got a few minutes and trying to catch up, which I will do later. Aint politics
fun?

Love the deconstruction of the candidates and presumptions people have.
Good exercise, imo.

The only thing I have to watch for is things like despair and disappointment
in the process. For example, probably the best candidate from both parties
is Bill Richardson. This name recognition factor is a bitch. Something about
the political process, and the relation of the media to it, AND the limited
degree of attention and energy most of us have available to bring to examining
who is REALLY the best person (outside of media engineered drama and
hype) suggest some serious "broken" areas in the this whole process.
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:53 pm

MikeJamieson wrote:Got a few minutes and trying to catch up, which I will do later. Aint politics
fun?

Love the deconstruction of the candidates and presumptions people have.
Good exercise, imo.

The only thing I have to watch for is things like despair and disappointment
in the process. For example, probably the best candidate from both parties
is Bill Richardson. This name recognition factor is a bitch. Something about
the political process, and the relation of the media to it, AND the limited
degree of attention and energy most of us have available to bring to examining
who is REALLY the best person (outside of media engineered drama and
hype) suggest some serious "broken" areas in the this whole process.


mike- this is all about zeitgeist. and jim webb is inevitable. i love bill richardson, but this out of his league. serious times require serious leaders. webb is in a league of his own. cs
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Postby Max » Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:35 pm

I can tell you are a good-hearted person, IPF. Carry on.
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Postby Max » Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:41 pm

Mike, I think the "despair and disappointment" meter keeps rising at every election. Not only that, but imo one of the biggest problems this country faces in the near future is that the Red meter and the Blue meter are both rising fast but for diametrically opposed reasons. I think our enemies see that, and are continually looking for ways to exploit it.
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:56 pm

Max wrote:I can tell you are a good-hearted person, IPF. Carry on.


in spite of this left-handed compliment, ipf is indeed both good hearted and right in his comment on your interior decorator guru. he doesn't need you to encourage him to 'carry on.' he will carry on- because he is essentially ethical.

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Postby Max » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:06 am

And he doesn't need you to defend him.



Just like all the other liberal neo-pinkos thinking they have to take care of everybody because the non-elite don't know how to do it for themselves!



Go build a teepee now
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:38 am

Max wrote:And he doesn't need you to defend him.



Just like all the other liberal neo-pinkos thinking they have to take care of everybody because the non-elite don't know how to do it for themselves!



Go build a teepee now


you're correct- he doesn't need me to defend him. but that doesn't stop me from agreeing with him on this matter.

you seem to need to keep calling me a commie. what's up with that? does it make you feel better about yourself? and yes- i do believe that we are our brothers' keepers. i do believe that the poor are blessed- as well as the peacemakers- and shall inherit the earth. and i do believe that the rich man has the same chance of entering the kingdom as a camel has of passing through the eye of a needle. i do believe in turning the other cheek. i do believe in loaves and fishes. if that makes me pink- then i am pink. and happy being pink.

it's not logical per se, but true in any case. logic becomes flaccid when it encounters the absurd. imagination is more powerful than the will.

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1. That among all possible forms and actual entities Ecological Equilibrium necessarily exists.
2. That the basic substance of the universe is characterized by Mood.
3. That the basic substance of the universe is Ethics.
4. That the first three principles constitute the Dialectical Process.
5. That each Principle, in itself, contains the Dialectical Process.
6. That, therefore, there necessarily exists an Identity among all possible realities.
7. That this Identity is dichotomized only by relativity;
8. Which dichotomy in itself constitutes Dialectic.
9. That all argument is therefore by nature, spiralar.
10. That the Spiral Continuum is both ascendant and descendant simultaneously.
11. That Abstraction from the Continuum always results in circularity.
12. That the Will is necessarily characterized as Abstraction from the Continuum.
13. Will is therefore alienation from the Process of Reality- Dialectic,
14. And is therefore in opposition to the Ethical.
15. The Order of Conflicting Wills is Morality.
16. Morality is therefore by its very nature unethical.
17. Process/ Ethics is characterized by Love and Free Harmony among all actual entities.
18. Will/ Morality is characterized by conflict and force.
19. Mergence with Process is accorded by the Imagination.
20. Imagination is the Mood of God.

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