Greetings from Oz

[torbjon]

wow, so this is where everybody is hanging out, too cool.

music and the toxic sunshine state populated by criminals, two of my Favorite things! (cigareets and whusky and wild wild wimmun being my top three favorite things, but at least you rated top ten so quite yer pouting)

Okay, help a brother out here:

AD, you mentioned BLONDIE (tha's Deborah Harry to the rest of us) I don't care if she IS old enough to be my mom, I'd still do her. Blind. In a windtunnel. Better yet in a nice warm tote of rotting salmon (don't knock it 'till you've tried it *pokes*)

I dug on this chick Before there was a 'Blondie', before there was "The Stilettos", back in the day when she was a back up singer for a folk band called The Wind In The Willows on the album of the same name.

The album was produced in Australia, in 1968, under the Capitol lable (Capitol/EMI-ST 2956)

There was a track on the album by Roger Miller called "My Uncle Used To Love Me But She Died" The whole album is Great but I LOVE that track.

I can find the Roger Miller version online, it has been digitized and bootlegged and is out there...

gig is I don't like the Roger Miller version, I want (read NEED) 'her' version *dreamy*

second gig is, I don't have two nickels to rub together... I don't even have One nickel that can be lonely.

Broke. El Zippo. Nadda.

Again, I NEED that track (whole album in digitized format would be nice, but just that one track will 'do me')

The only thing I have to offer in trade would be other music.

The one thing I do have that might be worth it to someone is something I spent over ten years trying to find before finally scoring it (the story made a nifty podcast, for anyone who is bored to tears) The band is called "Fresh" the album is called "Today", it was produced in 1970 by Simon Napier-Bell and Ray Singer. Two tracks feature Marc Bolan (uncredited) The HOTTEST version of Desdemona EVER recorded (blows doors off of Every version Marc did later) and an equally Hot version of Terrible Breath. The song off of that album that I was questing for is called "Stoned in Saigon" Some of our British Brothers may remember it as it got some air time over there. It did NOT get air time in the states as being Stoned in Saigon was NOT the message our gov'ment wanted to give to the people... however, a wild and crazy D.J. named Dr. Demento did indeed set up an illegal transmitter in Mexico and broadcast all kinds of crazy crap into southern California (where I happen to live at the time) and my old man was in the habit of setting up his reel to reel tape deck and letting it record said illegal broadcasts during the night, which is how I heard of the song.

Come the '90s and my copy of a copy of a copy is starting to sound Really Bad and my quest for a clean copy began...

Shortly after Nola was born she managed to get a hold of my Last copy of the thing and she Literally ATE THE TAPE.

Needless to say, I really kicked my quest into high gear then and it was another two full years before I finally hooked up with 'the right people'.

Here's the skinny on the album:

http://www.deborah-harry.com/dh/thewind ... lowsal.htm

so, you guys are:

a) smart
b) know your music
c) live in the right places
d) there is no d
e) might actually take pity on a pathetic sob like me and
f) after you finish laughing at me might actually toss me a biscuit or two...

again, I can't do vinyl, I'd prefer not to do tape, and I have NO MONEY...

now then, slightly different subject but still Blonde:

What do you think of this chick? Especially in, say, 12 to 14 years? Cover of Playboy followed by a kickin' music career, finish with a respectable movie career and retire on novel writing... tha's my girl.

http://www.torbtown.com/demo/demo_27.html

rock on
twj

[torbjon]

scratch that, this old bozoboy just scored the whole freeeeekin' album! Some dude on a blog with absolutely NO respect for money grubbing record companies (gods how I Love commie bastards like that *dreamy*)

too cool...

if anybody NEEDS just say the word... I know what it means to NEED

laters
twj

[Mungodave]

Wow... Can a mod change the title to "Search for my next wife" (tongue in cheek and suckin hard)


i LOVE Blondie.

Debra could be my Grannie.... I'de wear the Jail term !!
Glad you found what ya needed..

Anything else you need, please give me a yell.

Love a challenge.

Mungo

[Access Denied]

Shame on you guys… Blondie is NOT Deborah Harry… Blondie is a group!

Now, regarding "money grubbing" record companies, it’s true, and after reading this book which was supposed to help me…

Just For The... Record
http://www.shadoshea.com/products/forth ... index.php3

…I gave up pursuing the music business lol.

That said, to undo the damage done here to starving musicians everywhere...



…I just ordered a copy of Deborah’s latest album…

[click on the pics to pay her back… that’s an order!]



…and a copy of Blondie’s “Eat To The Beat” on CD/DVD (the first full-length video album ever) to replace my aging VHS copy…



…and a copy of “Plastic Letters” which has two of my favorite Blondie songs, “Bermuda Triangle Blues (Flight 45)” and “Detroit 442” to replace my aging vinyl copy…



Now that is loving my girl Debbie…

[I take it you're both single?]

[ryguy]

Man...you guys are really dating yourselves ffs...

**Ryan jumps back in his car and cranks the pounding rap music to ear-shattering levels as he drives away...**

[Chorlton]

Man...you guys are really dating yourselves ffs...
**Ryan jumps back in his car and cranks the pounding rap music to ear-shattering levels as he drives away...**

Dating themselves ?? HAH !
*I* went out with Kathy Kirby. Now THERES a woman ! (Snarf snarf )

Just a pointer Ryan. Rap isnt music. They just miss-spelled it and missed off the C
(then again neither was punk) INCOMIIIIIIIIIIIING

[torbjon]

AD wrote:
I take it you're both single?

Well, I don't know about the other guy but the last, um, 'boom boom' I had was making my kid, and she's over four years old now... that counts as 'single', yes?

Mungo sez:
Anything else you need, please give me a yell.

Okay, I'm yellin'. No one has listened to my podcasts (which is Fine, no really) but when I ain't fooling around here or pleasuring myself elsewhere on the internet I'm lookin' for Music, usually Music from childhood. Gig is, the bulk of the stuff I'm looking for is Instrumental in nature.

"My uncle used to love me but she died" ? Lyrics, I could Find that... took a while to score it in digital but I always Knew it was 'out there', somewhere... "Stoned in Saigon" ? Lyrics, I could Find that... took a while but I scored it.

"Acka Raga" by Shocking Blue? No Lyrics! It's the one that goes "Domp bomp dah dee domp bwah, brwar dee brwar dee brwar bum" (go into Tower and hum that with a straight face, I Dare you) Scored it. Took forever and day but I Scored it.

"Summer '67" by "Family" No Lyrics! Harder to score but score I did.

"Stop" by Kooper, Bloomfield and Stills, *rolls eyes* This one you hum and folks go "Oh Ya! I Know that one" only they can't tell you the title or the band *sighs* but hey, Thanks for humming along with me. (found a link to it so you don't have to listen my lame assed podcast)

http://www.deezer.com/track/stop-T1078947

Of course it's Easy now, knowing the title and the band... imagine only knowing the melody and nothing more *sighs*

So, here's one I'm looking for... this should be Easy for you guys, yer Gods, after all, and there's a Lot of info here:

35 years ago I had an album, bigger than a 45 but smaller than an LP. It had the little 33 1/3 hole in it. One side of the album was cut, the other side was Smooth (blank). It had a red label on the cut side. On the label were the words "Pink Floyd" "Demo" and "Not For Distribution". The cut side had one track on it, about 20 minutes long. All music, No Lyrics.

About 10 years later I learned that the music was Astronomy Domine, but, like I said, sans lyrics and fully twice as long as the Ummagumma cut (which is a live version, this was a studio version, no doubts about it)

I Want That. It was the BEST version of that ditty EVER and even Pink Floyd Whackos have never heard of it, say that I'M the nutjob, or that my dosage was too high (I was Not doing controlled substances then)

I had my hands on this album in the early '70s. It was most likely pressed in the late '60s as Ummagumma came out in '69 and I'm betting this is a studio jam before they took it on tour, not after...

So, how good are you guys, any leads? I Don't want the vinyl, (couldn't spin it if I had it) I just want the Music...

[Mungodave]

STREWTH Torbjon !!!

Hand a man a challenge !!

I'm onnit... wish me luck

Mungo

[Mungodave]

I got a few bites... the first guy is a full blown floyd nerd.
And I thought this was the CT forum....
these replys from my music forum.

(1)
Never come across this one before. A few things I can tell you now
before my battery runs out though. Sounds like it would've been a 10
inch, running at 33 1/3. The dates don't quite add up. Astronomy
Domine was released on Piper, 1967. Ummagumma's live portion was
recorded in 1969 and released later that year, Astronomy Domine had
been a part of the band's live set for a couple of years by that stage.

And the lack of lyrics worries me too.

I'll do a little more research at Dorothy's when I can plug in (at the
library right now) but I'm currently very sceptical. I've got an early
demo recording of Interstellar Overdrive, and that was the first
recording session to my knowledge, which didn't include Astronomy Domine.

(2)


Thinking things over at lunch, not to mention a few afternoon drinks
at home while listening to old rockabilly tunes, I've had quite a few
thoughts.

A 10 inch running at 33 1/3? Not come across many of those. If it were
truly a demo copy then the usual quality control issues we're used to
may not apply. Grooves could be crammed together as much as they like.
If it were a single sided demo pressing it's longevity wouldn't be
much of an issue either. I remember reading a DJ who used to try out
his own dance tunes in a set, and he said the test pressings wouldn't
be playable after half a dozen times.

But a big one has been nagging at me. He says it had the little hole
in it, implying 33 1/3. But the distinction between a 45 meant for a
jukebox, and LP meant for home seems to be only North American. As far
as Australian and (most importantly here) British releases were
concerned, they all had a small hole.

Which implies the post comes from somebody in the US or Canada, who
was expecting the format of the disc to be different. That leaves us
with two options; the disc made its way across the Atlantic somehow,
or this was a North American demo release. The former is barely
possible, and the latter beggars belief. Floyd were thoroughly
launched in the UK on a UK label. The first US releases were official
ones, no demo stuff ever got pressed there.

OK, that's some ramblings about the actual disc. Not very focussed but
I'm sure you get the idea. Now to the tune itself.

Astronomy Domine was one of their earliest tracks, played at UFO back
in the old days and all. According to Wikipedia it was recorded 11-13
April in 1967, those famous sessions wherein Paul McCartney heard them
and warned the rest of the band they were being overtaken. Much of the
material was recorded in only a few takes and there isn't much
significant stuff from this era which hasn't seen the light of day.

Which brings me to the thought I had a couple of hours back. It's long
(some 20 minutes apparently), instrumental and probably very spacy. Is
this perhaps Interstellar Overdrive? There are a few alternate
versions of this available, a couple on the Piper 40th anniversary
release, and the 16 minute version they did for Tonight Let's All Make
Love I London, which I have.

On the other hand, this person seems pretty insistent it's Astronomy
Domine, and the recording of Interstellar Overdrive which was done for
Ummagumma has never been released, so there's probably no confusion
there. While rather psychedelic they're not similar enough to be mixed
up easily.

Basically, what I'm coming down to is this; not only have I never
heard of this but I seriously doubt the veracity of this claim.
There's a lot of stuff which doesn't add up, and the fact that he
keeps tying Astronomy Domine in to the release of Ummagumma implies to
me he's not that well versed in Floyd's discography. There are too
many inconsistencies here.

A long jam of Astronomy Domine? Quite possible. But without the
lyrics? I think not, this was never intended as one of their pure
instrumentals, they had enough of those as it was. And if it was just
the musical backing, why press it? The song would have been woefully
incomplete and not something a record company would use as promotional
material.

My scepticism has only increased over the course of the day. It
doesn't add up.

Hope this helps to shed some light....

then

Hey Nick,,,a standard 10" demo pressing at 33.3 was all the go in England back late 60's early 70's Slightly extended EP. I cant remember the companies doing them, (Norton comes to mind) though I believe there were a few about. P Floyd probably recorded their trip and pressed about 100 ( and took another 100) or so for a few quid to get their gig up and running. Fairly standard promo tool back then. Being probably unpublished tunes at the time, it wouldnt register as a marketed product. So you wont track it down too quick.

and finally

Hi Nick, the question and answer seem to be in the original question in that he 'learned 10 years later' what the song was. There are 100's of fans who might know, but did he ever actually get in touch with the band - management - record company with this poser. If it was a 'demo - NFD' it might well have been a track use to test out mobile recording vans. He didn't say if there was any 'bleed' of vocals, just no lyrics, this might have occurred if there was a straight feed from the 'live' desk to the OB Unit. (Deep Purple / Smoke On The Water dealt with such units). There has been rogue cuttings doing the rounds for years, but if this bloke is adamant it is what it is, then he should get to the source of creation and ask the band and management.Hi Nick, the question and answer seem to be in the original question in that he 'learned 10 years later' what the song was. There are 100's of fans who might know, but did he ever actually get in touch with the band - management - record company with this poser. If it was a 'demo - NFD' it might well have been a track use to test out mobile recording vans. He didn't say if there was any 'bleed' of vocals, just no lyrics, this might have occurred if there was a straight feed from the 'live' desk to the OB Unit. (Deep Purple / Smoke On The Water dealt with such units). There has been rogue cuttings doing the rounds for years, but if this bloke is adamant it is what it is, then he should get to the source of creation and ask the band and management.

So there it is mate.

Hope it helps.

Mungo

[Mungodave]

Oh, and one more.

Hey Nick I got this off The Biography of Pink Floyd
http://www.poemhunter.com/lyrics/pink-floyd/biography/
It might just be why the thing happened and not released


The group landed a recording contract with EMI in early 1967 and made the Top 20 with a brilliant debut single, "Arnold Layne," a sympathetic, comic vignette about a transvestite. The follow-up, the kaleidoscopic "See Emily Play," made the Top Ten. The debut album, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, also released in 1967, may have been the greatest British psychedelic album other than Sgt. Pepper's. Dominated almost wholly by Barrett's songs, the album was a charming fun house of driving, mysterious rockers ("Lucifer Sam"); odd character sketches ("The Gnome"); childhood flashbacks ("Bike," "Matilda Mother"); and freakier pieces with lengthy instrumental passages ("Astronomy Domine," "Interstellar Overdrive," "Pow R Toch") that mapped out their fascination with space travel. The record was not only like no other at the time; it was like no other that Pink Floyd would make, colored as it was by a vision that was far more humorous, pop-friendly, and lighthearted than those of their subsequent epics.

The reason Pink Floyd never made a similar album was that Piper was the only one to be recorded under Barrett's leadership. Around mid-1967, the prodigy began showing increasingly alarming signs of mental instability. Barrett would go catatonic on-stage, playing music that had little to do with the material, or not playing at all. An American tour had to be cut short when he was barely able to function at all, let alone play the pop star game. Dependent upon Barrett for most of their vision and material, the rest of the group was nevertheless finding him impossible to work with, live or in the studio.

[torbjon]

"Basically, what I'm coming down to is this; not only have I never
heard of this but I seriously doubt the veracity of this claim."

I get this a lot. I don't argue with them 'cause they are 'experts' and I'm not but I stick to my claim.

If the memory had originated later in my life I would be more than happy to question the reality of it... teenage hormones, drugs, adult pigheadednesses, etc. but memory equates to early 70's, pre- parents divorce (which is a solid memory with a solid date) so the Oldest I could have been was 10, however I'm thinking I was 8 - 9 years old at the time.

YES, kid memories are also whack but there are too many other memories associated with it for me to just brush it off. Like, it was something that I took over to a friends house to play on their dads super duper stereo system, that was kind of a big deal as I was using it to help make me 'cool' and solidify my new friendship with that kid. His Dad hated the track, but his Mom liked it, there was a bit of an argument about between them about what us kids were listening to, and this was probably the First private argument I'd ever heard between parents that weren't My parents and that memory stuck (it helps that his Dad was Puerto Rican and his Mom was Irish... great sounds that... 'discussion' *laughs*)

I am NOT solid on the physical dimensions of the thing. It WAS smaller than a standard LP but it did NOT have the big hole that virtually all 45's have. It could have been 45 size but the small hole just make it Look bigger than other 45's... I had NO 45's in my collection to compare it to.

I am also NOT solid on the "20" minute duration. It could have (and probably was) just 16 minutes and change... twice as long as the 'original' version.

I know it was NOT Interstellar Overdrive (or a 1000 Fury Creatures in a Cave Grooving with a Pict, or One Of These Days) or any other early long spacey song by them. Years later, in my teens, I was with friends, ingesting controlled substances, and someone put "that" album on... The intro to Astronomy Domine (even sans lyrics) is Unmistakable, the dweep dweep dweep / boom boom boom guitar riff at the beginning is very Strong and Not to be confused with One Of These Days or any other number by them.

You know how it is when you hear some music that is Shockingly familiar to a favorite ditty but Not the favorite ditty, there's this disembodied De Ja Vu feeling, that coupled with being at one of my first real teenage parties that included both chicks with bumps And controlled substances and my subsequent reactions created a powerful memory.

The subsequent reaction was that I made a complete Dork of myself in front of alla those cute young chicks with bumps. I flew outta my chair and pranced around like an idiot shouting 'that's it that's it that's it!! what is that?? That's It! what is that?? "

The album being played at the time was Ummagumma, track Astronomy Domine. Okay, so, A.D. was released earlier on another album *shrugs* The above moment was when I first put two and two together and finally had a name to put with my un-named demo disk.

back to the track in question:

It was NOT "pure" A.D., ie. it was NOT just an "extended version" of that number, but more of a jam session that started with A.D. riffs but melted into other riffs (years later I had the 'feeling' that there was a decided Funky Dung riff or two in their as well, not the full 'song' but just some riffs from it)

Not mentioned earlier but probably important, the demo album did NOT have a clean cut ending, it just faded out, and it was Obvious that they kept playing but 'time was running out' so the 'engineer' just faded the music out...

Reading the above comments I now have a theory... It wasn't a studio recording at all but rather a dance hall gig that got recorded, taken back to the studio, and then mixed and cleaned up and pressed into that album... in which case there very well could have been a vocal track for the original gig but that track never made it into the studio mix... ?

Just because all of my dates and memories are from the 70's doesn't mean that the thing wasn't pressed in the 60's...

I got the thing in a yardsale box of records in the early 70's. The box was all "British" bands, and some of the albums were pretty funky and not mainstream American "British" music... Like, there was a Wimplewinch album in there. It seems likely to me that those albums were purchased / obtained in Europe and brought to America in some ones luggage.

I'm NOT a die hard PF fan, I just really like their early music (pre the Wall) so if my "facts" are 'wrong' then that's why... I'm not looking up titles and dates and correct spellings and stuff, just going off of memory...

As far as asking "officials" like the band or managers or producers, I've tried at different times and Never got any type of reply whatsoever. The ONLY British producer to Ever give me the time of day was Simon Napier-Bell (nice guy) but since he never managed / produced PF I never thought to ask him about it...

So what happened to the thing and why don't I still have it??

In '76 I got two hi-tech cassette tape recorders and put all of my albums onto tape. Full albums went onto 'master' tapes that never got played except for making 'mix' tapes or album copies for friends. All of my albums got folded into my step-dads music collection, and from '76 onward I was pretty much strictly a tape guy.

I split that scene when I was 15 (1980) and took most of my tapes with me but not much else. I came back when I was 18 but all of my stuff was either gone or not my stuff anymore. One thing that was for sure gone was my album as pretty much ALL the albums had been sold as step dad was riding the CD wave then...

Years go by and all of my tapes started to die (as tapes do) My last taped copy of the song in question died in the mid '90s in Alaska. I believe it (and the tape deck it was in at the time) fell into a brine tank during herring season...

That's pretty much everything... if die hards and brainiacs insist that no such demo album was ever created, I ain't gonna argue with them... I know this falls into the same category of "I saw a ufo" and we all know what a waste of time it is to try to argue that one *laughs*

Regardless, thanks for the help comrade, all feedback is useful and more eyes on the 'problem' never hurts, ya know?

rock on
twj

[Mungodave]

Im hearing you T.

I posted your last back on my music site... they are still cghecking it out, but I think they are getting a bit derailed.

Here is something that came back.

Does this mean anything to you?

I want to tell you a story
About a little man, if I can
A gnome called Grimble Gromble
And little gnomes, live in their homes
Eating, sleeping, drinking their wine....

Cheers

Mungo

[torbjon]

*laughs*

and then one day, hurray! another way for gnomes to say...

*dreamy* always loved that ditty...

It'll turn up. I always find what I am looking for but I never know what I'm looking for or how to find it until after the fact, ya know? My ex-wife is a classic example... wasn't looking for an ex-wife, but wouldn't trade the product of that union nor the experiences under the belt for all the 'perfect' wives in the world, ya know?

The thing existed at one time... there's a good chance that it, copies of it, or memories of it are still in existence today... it'll turn up.

Or not *shrugs* It's the journey that matters.

rock on
twj