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Postby ryguy » Sun Oct 22, 2006 8:57 pm

Serpentime wrote:I may be wrong, but I believe that RD got into trouble for not reporting all of his East German contacts.


According to one of our sources, who is in a position to know, stated that Rick fabricated non-existant contacts (forged documents) in order to obtain some sort of compensation back....the infraction, in the words of this particular source was not so much a "big bureaucratic mistake", it was a big intentional bureaucratic infraction - but you're right, it was the reason for his removal from AFOSI.

Frankly, he might well have been court-martialed.


No - he wasn't court-martialed. They simply removed him from his responsibilities - a demotion of sorts.

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Postby Serpentime » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:26 am

Hi Zep and Ry,

Thanks for the information. It seems like you’ve been doing some good work for us. :)

If your source states that RD was “cooking his books” (as opposed to being derelict) then I would be properly interested in his version of events.

I had best understood that "contact protocol" was the cause of RD’s “bust” back to Kirtland, but hadn't heard it explained in such detail before.

And yes, I agree: There is a substantial difference between “mistakes” and “infractions”.

You are absolutely correct, Ry.

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Sorry to ask for more detail on the film project, but your post reminded me that I had seen RD on television last summer.

He appeared in "back-light" – and was introduced only as "A Retired Agent of the United States Government” (or something similar, I don’t remember exactly…) – but I was able to recognize his voice (and posture) when he started speaking.


My first thought was: “The 'Falcon' is flying again.”


The producers let him “dish” for a minute or two; then offered their opinion that they could find no proof for any of his claims.


And with that, RD stalked off into the sunset… :)



Best to you both,

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Postby ryguy » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:55 pm

There is a very intelligent and inquisitive user posting some questions on some "other" forums...and there is one particular question I wanted to provide an answer to. Seeing as he is very interested in the truth - he's sure to end up here eventually.

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max wrote:Did Victor send out a virus warning knowing it did not contain a virus? Did TM try to smear Victor's name with a false transcript? Who cares? Bolt? or Flange?


Hi Max,

To answer your question Max, when this claim was made (by Victor via email) regarding the AOL virus, it had the fingerprint of a typical bullying tactic that is used to discredit someone who is going to be releasing some impending damaging information. That tactic is to discredit that person before the release can be made.

Tacitus had sent and received some emails from Victor and Rick Doty before the AOL virus hoax. It appears the entire "team of 5" - Kit Green, Hal Puthoff, Rick Doty, Bill Ryan, and Victor Martinez - were alerted by Tacitus to the impending release of information which would reveal the "truth" about anonymous.

Victor and Rick began to panic. (Actually, NONE of them were too happy when Tacitus arrived on the scene). Rick personally sent a number of threatening emails to Tacitus (which are mostly published at serpo.info), in much the same way he would send threatening emails to Shawnna later, when she released the truth regarding his lawyer credentials (or lack thereof).

And look who it is who mentioned "AOL" first, in one of his threats (before the fake AOL alert was released):

Subject: Re: Identity
From: "RICK DOTY" <rickdoty***@msn.com>
Date: Thu, April 27, 2006 8:16 pm
To: "Tacitus Monroe" <tacitusmonroe@serpo.info>
Cc: removed
Priority: Normal
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Ok,

Shall we duel with personal information? AOL security fraud? Secret encryption codes that points to you spreading pornographic material through AOL?

I'm not waiting until Sunday. I'm starting at midnight April 28, 2006!


After several of these threats...mere hours before April 28...on exactly Thursday, April 27, 2006 21:22...Rick and Victor moved ahead with their plan. Victor released this AOL virus warning to his list. Alerting them NOT to open any emails from a "Tacitus Monroe" the following weekend, as it was sure to contain a virus. Apparently Rick told the truth - he wasn't going to wait. He was going to discredit Tacitus immediately.

Tacitus, or someone he knew, directly contacted AOL to obtain a confirmation that this virus itself, from Victor, was a hoax...actually illegally using the AOL copyrighted name in an fake email alert. Being one who doesn't believe anything without verifying for myself - the day this transcript was released, I contacted AOL, gave them the scarce amount of data from the posted chat logs (date/time, etc) and they confirmed to me over the phone that the chat did, in fact take place with one of their technicians over their webchat helpdesk system.

In other words - Victor or Rick most likely attempted to carry out the threats that Rick was making toward Tacitus...in attempting to release this AOL virus alert and discredit Tacitus before he/she could release the "truth" via the website. For whatever reason - these two were terrified of whatever they imagined was going to be posted to the website... Whether or not what was eventually posted was what they were so afraid of - we may never know. But they certainly wanted to avoid the "truth" from being revealed....one way or another.

Keep up with the great critical thinking Max...whether you end up here or not...it's very rare in this area of research, and it's a wonderful thing to see.

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ryguy » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:36 pm

How to Check Out a Hoax

Featuring four examples of proven hoaxes over the last few years - including Serpo. Enjoy.

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ryguy » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:19 pm

New blog to muse about things...

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Please bookmark and enjoy, I plan to keep it updated often.

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby Access Denied » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:00 am

Thanks for sharing these articles Ryan, good to see you writing again.

Unfortunately I have to take issue with this part of this one though…

The U.S. Air Force, The CIA, Aliens and Ghosts
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Doty and other AFOSI agents descended upon Bennewitz and inflicted the worst known psychological warfare tactics upon a civilian in the Air Force's entire history. The saga ended with Bennewitz in a mental institution.

All the evidence I’ve seen indicates Bennewitz had “issues” before he started bugging the Air Force about his “discovery” and Doty’s official interaction with him (besides answering the phone at the local AFOSI Detachment lol) was limited to escorting (indeed that was the specialty he was trained for if you’ll recall) some scientists out to his place to check out his claim… which for obvious reasons was then quickly dismissed.

Anything other than that was strictly “extracurricular” activity on the part of Doty and his fellow UFO buffs. The Air Force, and more specifically the AFOSI, had nothing to do with it.

I’m disappointed that your article appears to continue to perpetuate this UFOlogical myth.

That said, other than that, nice work!

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ryguy » Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:08 pm

Access Denied wrote:Thanks for sharing these articles Ryan, good to see you writing again.

Anything other than that was strictly “extracurricular” activity on the part of Doty and his fellow UFO buffs. The Air Force, and more specifically the AFOSI, had nothing to do with it.

I’m disappointed that your article appears to continue to perpetuate this UFOlogical myth.


Excellent point - I think it came across wrong in the article, I'll need to edit that. I don't believe that the Air Force was as involved in the Bennewitz affiar as popular UFO-culture likes to imply. But I was under the impression that they were obviously involved to some degree. I remember reading an accurate report that stated Bennewitz had been able to obtain a meeting with Air Force officials...but when I went looking for that just now, I found the famous "Who's Disinforming Who" document - outlining what I think is what you're pointing at as establishing that the AF wasn't at all involved, and that it was all the work of Doty.

Who's Disinforming Who - 1993

Then, while stationed at Kirtland AFB, New Mexico, Doty came into contact with Bennewitz as a result of Bennewitz's attempts to get Air Force officials to listen to his rantings about alien encounters.

While other Kirtland officials had politely declined to meet with Bennewitz, Doty apparently saw an opportunity to make hay with Bennewitz's bales. Doty even invited Jerry Miller, a former investigator with the Air Force's 4602nd Sq., the group that did legwork for Project Blue Book, to a meeting with Bennewitz. Miller came away convinced Bennewitz was nothing more than a mentally disturbed person, a "nut case," and advised Doty that he was wasting his time.


hmm...I'll be editing the article and publishing another update shortly. Could you have a look at my new template and let me know if the formatting works on your browser? The design worked great at home but when I tried it on another computer it got all flaky...

That said, other than that, nice work!

Tom


Thanks Tom - I can always count on straight and fair feedback from you. :)

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby Access Denied » Wed Nov 26, 2008 5:34 am

ryguy wrote:I don't believe that the Air Force was as involved in the Bennewitz affiar as popular UFO-culture likes to imply. But I was under the impression that they were obviously involved to some degree.

Define involved. :)

ryguy wrote:I remember reading an accurate report that stated Bennewitz had been able to obtain a meeting with Air Force officials...but when I went looking for that just now, I found the famous "Who's Disinforming Who" document - outlining what I think is what you're pointing at as establishing that the AF wasn't at all involved, and that it was all the work of Doty.

Well, that’s probably one of the better accounts (unless of course you’re Bruce Maccabee lol) but I think this is probably the most definitive one…

UFOs in the 1980s
http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/ufo/to- ... /bennewitz

Jerome Clark wrote:The Bennewitz Affair: In the late 1970s Paul Bennewitz, an Albuquerque businessman trained as a physicist, became convinced that he was monitoring electromagnetic signals which extraterrestrials were using to control persons they had abducted. Bennewitz tried to decode these signals and believed he was succeeding. At the same time he began to see what he thought were UFOs maneuvering around the Manzano Nuclear Weapons Storage Facility and the Coyote Canyon test area, located near Kirtland AFB, and he filmed them.

Bennewitz reported all this to the Tucson-based Aerial Phenomena Research Organization (APRO), whose directors were unimpressed, judging Bennewitz to be deluded. But at Kirtland, Bennewitz's claims, or at least some of them, were being taken more seriously. On October 24, 1980, Bennewitz contacted Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) agent Sgt. Richard Doty (whose previous tour of duty had been at Ellsworth) after being referred to him by Maj. Ernest Edwards, head of base security, and related that he had evidence that something potentially threatening was going on in the Manzano Weapons Storage Area. A "Multipurpose Internal OSI Form," signed by Maj. Thomas A. Cseh (Commander of the Base Investigative Detachment), dated October 28, 1980, and subsequently released under the Freedom of Information Act, states:

"On 26 Oct 80, SA [Special Agent] Doty, with the assistance of JERRY MILLER, GS-15, Chief, Scientific Advisor for Air Force Test and Evaluation Center, KAFB , interviewed Dr. BENNEWITZ at his home in the Four Hills section of Albuquerque, which is adjacent to the northern boundary of Manzano Base. (NOTE: MILLER is a former Project Blue Book USAF Investigator who was assigned to Wright-Patterson AFB (W-PAFB), OH, with FTD [Foreign Technology Division]. Mr. MILLER is one of the most knowledgeable and impartial investigators of Aerial Objects in the southwest.) Dr. BENNEWITZ has been conducting independent research into Aerial Phenomena for the last 15 months. Dr. BENNEWITZ also produced several electronic recording tapes, allegedly showing high periods of electrical magnetism being emitted from Manzano/Coyote Canyon area. Dr. BENNEWITZ also produced several photographs of flying objects taken over the general Albuquerque area. He has several pieces of electronic surveillance equipment pointed at Manzano and is attempting to record high frequency electrical beam pulses. Dr. BENNEWITZ claims these Aerial Objects produce these pulses. After analyzing the data collected by Dr. BENNEWITZ, Mr MILLER related the evidence clearly shows that some type of unidentified aerial objects were caught on film; however, no conclusions could be made whether these objects pose a threat to Manzano/Coyote Canyon areas. Mr MILLER felt the electronical [sic] recording tapes were inconclusive and could have been gathered from several conventional sources. No sightings, other than these, have been reported in the area."

Assuming this FOIA document actually exists (I don’t have any reason not to believe it does but I haven’t read Clark’s book and I’ve never seen it) and it’s not another one of Doty’s forgeries lol that sounds pretty credible to me.

Now Clark continues with this account suggesting there was another meeting after that but it’s not clear who the source is…

Jerome Clark wrote:On November 10 Bennewitz was invited to the base to present his findings to a small group of officers and scientists. Exactly one week later Doty informed Bennewitz that AFOSI had decided against further consideration of the matter. Subsequently Doty reported receiving a call from then-New Mexico Sen. Harrison Schmitt, who wanted to know what AFOSI was planning to do about Bennewitz's allegations. When informed that no investigation was planned, Schmitt spoke with Brig. Gen. William Brooksher of base security. The following July New Mexico's other senator, Pete Domenici, looked into the matter, meeting briefly with Doty before dashing off to talk with Bennewitz personally. Domenici subsequently lost interest and dropped the issue.

I suspect maybe Doty was the source so I’m not sure I would put much stock in that claim without some more independent verification… preferably from the named individuals. Then again who knows, perhaps it was one of those deals like the time he snuck Linda Moulton Howe on base and privately “briefed” her. :lol:

[while you're at it you should check out some more of Charles McGrew’s crusty UFO stuff if you haven’t already]

ryguy wrote:Could you have a look at my new template and let me know if the formatting works on your browser? The design worked great at home but when I tried it on another computer it got all flaky...

Yeah now that you mention it the date looks messed up. I suspect maybe it’s a font substitution issue… perhaps you (or whoever designed the template) used a font that’s not part of the standard Windows set? Anyway, I see you moved the article here…

TOP SECRET: The U.S. Air Force, The C.I.A. and Aliens
http://topsecretwriter.blogspot.com/200 ... st_25.html

By the way, I should probably point out this line from your article too…

Bennewitz made the mistake of developing an electrical device that could pick up radio signals from the nearby air base where classified flights were taking place.

Based on the above alleged FOIA document, and the fact that had he actually stumbled onto something that sensitive we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation lol, I would say that sentence is misleading.

Also, in the interest of full disclosure lol, I lived on Kirtland AFB in the 70s... I don’t recall a whole lot of “classified flights” going on there... well OK except for maybe the ALL and related activities in the Manzano foothills. ;)

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/all.htm

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Oh please, quit sugarcoating it and say what you really mean… I’m a real PITA. :mrgreen:
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ryguy » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:50 pm

Haha! No - I meant it. There are so many conflicting accounts regarding the Bennewitz affair that it's nice to have additional insight from another pair of eyes. I take Jerry Miller's account as an excellent source, and I think his account is excellent. I'll need to clarify that I was referring to classified flights taking place over the test range, specifically. I'll be revising that article (and giving you credit for your help, if that's okay?) The only thing that concerns me about Mr. Miller, and something I'll likely be blogging about out some point, is the fact that Bob Collins recently claimed that Miller was taking part in some email exchanges with him that implied Miller was still involved in the field of UFOlogy, but I've yet to get a good sense regardling which side of the fence he's on.

Thanks again for the additional sources Tom - I have to try to slow down when I write the updates. I tend to go straight from memory based on the sources I've read - and at times when those sources conflict with eachother, it would be worthwhile to dig them up again and make sure to use the ones that are more "legitimate."

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby Access Denied » Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:00 am

ryguy wrote:I take Jerry Miller's account as an excellent source, and I think his account is excellent. I'll need to clarify that I was referring to classified flights taking place over the test range, specifically.

What classified flights? Miller’s account indicates nothing of the sort. Keep in mind that internal AFOSI document was never intended for public release yet it indicates no need for any concern over Bennewitz’s activities/claims. This tends to debunk Doty and Moore’s claims that they were “under orders” from surprise surprise… yet another anonymous source to “discredit” him. Likely excuse. Why would the Air Force need to engage Bennewitz in an official “disinformation” campaign given their own (former) investigator privately didn’t think he was “on to” anything? Hell, the civilian equivalent of Blue Book (ARPO) already thought he was nuts…

Let’s not forget Bennewitz was convinced aliens were eating humans in a secret underground base in Dulce.

By the way, according to John Lear, here’s some of Bennewitz’s photos (supposedly confiscated by the AFOSI in many popular accounts) that Miller states “clearly shows that some type of unidentified aerial objects were caught on film” over the Manzanos…

johnlear wrote:These dome shaped objects were videotaped rising and descending by Paul Benewitz from the terrace of his home in the Four Hills section of Albuquerque which overlooked the highly restricted area within Kirtland AFB called the Manzano Weapons Storage Area (circa 1987).

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johnlear wrote:On the back of the photo below written and signed by Paul Bennewitz:

U.S. Black Ship Delta-Front View. Maj.-now Col. Edwards escort foreground. Taken with Super 8 movie-copied from previewer with Canon. Propulsion whorls visible. Blue. Picture taken in Coyote Canyon-Manzano-Kirtland Base. (signed) Paul D. Bennewitz:

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Also, here’s one of Bennewitz’s photos of Dulce…

This is Paul's photo of the Dulce base UFO. Upon his arrival near the base he said that he mentally communicated a count to the aliens as to when he would snap shoot his camera, a 500 speed Haselblad. It worked. He said the ship jumped into the picture on the count. However, he didn't actually see this ship himself. He says their ships are very fast. He explained the hat shaped ship shows power thrusting and bow-wave emanation? He said his experience while flying in his small aircraft near these ships was a little scary because of the great turbulence these bow-waves emanate and are strong enough to down a rather sizable aircraft if one approaches them too closely.

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[source]

Can you identify any of these "objects"? Me either.

ryguy wrote:I'll be revising that article (and giving you credit for your help, if that's okay?)

Not necessary… but if you want you could simply point back to our discussion here.

ryguy wrote:The only thing that concerns me about Mr. Miller, and something I'll likely be blogging about out some point, is the fact that Bob Collins recently claimed that Miller was taking part in some email exchanges with him that implied Miller was still involved in the field of UFOlogy, but I've yet to get a good sense regardling which side of the fence he's on.

Well, if that’s true then I guess I can see why you might think Miller is in on it with Doty and the rest of Scammers Inc. Rumor has it Collins is STILL waxing apologetic for Serpo despite your best efforts… something about recent observations rule out Zeta Reticuli having any habitable planets?
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ryguy » Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:43 pm

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ryguy wrote:I take Jerry Miller's account as an excellent source, and I think his account is excellent. I'll need to clarify that I was referring to classified flights taking place over the test range, specifically.

What classified flights? Miller’s account indicates nothing of the sort.


I'm confused... Do you mean to imply that you don't believe it's likely that the Air Force could have been flying experimental (which I called "classified"...sorry) over the Manzano Test Range outside Albuquerque. Supposedly the lights appeared each evening and headed toward Coyote Canyon - toward the part of Kirtland with the Sandia National Lab and Philip Lab. I agree with you that it's not likely Bennewitz captured Alien craft on video or photo, but I'd be much more likely to believe that what he captured (other than the photos that look like lens light flare that is...lol) could have been any number of possible test flights that have never been made public...right?

On the points regarding Doty and Moore (and Scammers, Inc), in agreement with you - I think that their efforts have less to do with what witnesses have actually seen than it has to do with Doty and others attempting to use psychologically unstable people to push their particular "core story" and agenda.

Oh...btw a new post is up today at TopSecretWriter. Topic: The High Freq. Grav Wave Scam...I mean Research... :)

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby Access Denied » Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:25 am

ryguy wrote:I agree with you that it's not likely Bennewitz captured Alien craft on video or photo, but I'd be much more likely to believe that what he captured (other than the photos that look like lens light flare that is...lol) could have been any number of possible test flights that have never been made public...right?

Wrong. :)

Of course it’s “possible” but like I said the problem (besides the lack of any credible evidence) is I can’t think of anything classified (I’m sorry… “experimental” lol) that could have been flying there at the time. Have Blue (’77-’79) never left Groom and the F-117 didn’t fly until ’81.

I think it’s much more likely he simply hoaxed the films…

[again from the AIR report]

Contrary to Moore's claims that Bennewitz had seen and filmed super-secret UFO-like craft over the Manzano Weapons Storage Area and the Coyote Canyon Test Site, Hastings found the films to be hoaxes so crude and poorly done as to be laughable. It was quite obvious, Hastings says, that one film was of several birds in flight (metaphorically appropriate, wouldn't you say?). During the screening, Bennewitz claimed the birds' flapping wings were alien spacecraft "force fields" moving up and down. Another film "looked like Bennewitz had thrown it on the floor and walked on it," Hastings added. The film was nothing more than a series of smudges, hair and other debris. A third film purportedly of a "green fireball" phenomenon as reported in one of Doty's bogus documents was found by Hastings to be somewhat drawn on the underside of the 8 mm film strip with a green magic marker.

That said it’s possible he may have seen something related to this at some point…

High Energy Research and Technology Facility (HERTF)
http://www.fas.org/spp/military/program/asat/herft.htm

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For example I know there was some (pre Star Wars/SDI) high power (ground based, open air) laser R&D going on in that area (the foothills) during that time period before the facility above was built much later… in fact I think I still have a photo my Dad gave me of a gimbaled (steerable) laser mounted in a semi trailer (of all places) somewhere around here. If so, then perhaps Bennewitz misinterpreted what he was seeing and that’s what drove him to try and “recreate” it. Purely speculation on my part… though I seem to recall seeing some pretty strange stuff one night at a friend of mine’s house in Four Hills lol.

[a fair skeptic should allow for the possibility that even the “insane” may have _some_ basis in reality for their delusions] :cool:

Also, as I indicated wrt the FOIA document cited earlier re: Miller’s meeting with Bennewitz, it’s possible Doty was simply “covering his tracks”…

[aka CYOA]

Moore showed some of Doty's reports during a documentary on UFOs produced by Ron Lakis, and later Barry Greenwood and Larry Fawcett of CAUS captured one of them on video tape freeze-frame, then submitted FOIA requests for the documents. Doty responded to the request by forwarding several "reports," which were dutifully reprinted in 'Clear Intent' , Greenwood and Fawcett's book. This process legitimized the "documents" and convinced even skeptical UFO advocates that Bennewitz had stumbled onto something important.

Note that after critical review the document appears to cleverly tap dance around the issue (neither confirming or denying Bennewitz’s alien spaceships) so that it could be interpreted either way… without necessarily getting Doty (and perhaps more importantly for Doty, Miller) in trouble. ;)

Just sayin’…

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ryguy » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:47 pm

Fair amount of some new information released in this update:

The Philosophy Within the MJ-12 Documents

Please enjoy - discuss and share any insight you may have into these matters as well.

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ScaRZ » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:10 pm

Good job on your Core Story article Ryan. I just got through reading it and liked the way it all came together.
What purpose did a repeat Core Story accomplish? .........What really were their goals? .......Did they succeed or fail?
Do you believe this group is still at work today, if so what are they pushing, and why is it being pushed?
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ryguy » Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:22 am

Thanks Scarz!

ScaRZ wrote:What purpose did a repeat Core Story accomplish? .........What really were their goals? .......Did they succeed or fail?


All awesome questions. :)

Do you believe this group is still at work today, if so what are they pushing, and why is it being pushed?


I sure do. Thanks for asking. I think you'll find agreement (at least among RU researchers) regarding what they're pushing. The what is what I tried to portray in this latest update. A series of clear memes, recognizable within every single release attempt throughout the 25+ years.

As far as the why...I've retyped a post 3 times in reply, and can't seem to put anything together that won't give away the next few updates...lol.

You will notice that after we started focusing on MJ-12 docs in our updates, Gary Bekkum has immediately taken up defending the MJ-12 documents on his blog. Interesting...

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