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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:44 pm

dragonfire wrote:Sorry, forgot about the Permanent Banishment. But, I believe one can still view the threads, correct :?:


not correct.

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:48 pm

dragonfly- you're everyone's favorite poster. serious.
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Postby Shawnna » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:58 pm

dragonfire wrote:WOW is this thing slooow,

Sorry Zep, I should have been more specific, I didn't mean the Serpo story, I was refering to the Wayne=Casper and email string hoax, and then the supposedly continued follow-up by the three of you after wayne went away. Is this true :?:

I guess the hoax was on Victor to give up the IP addresses. You have I believe, already admitted your parts in that.

Was I miss reading :?:


Dragonfire - can you please tell me how our effort at exposing WHO was behind the Serpo disclosures in any way qualifies in your mind as a "hoax"?

Paleeze........... jakereason is doing a very good job at putting classic disinformation spin tactics on all of this in my most humble opinion. :roll:

My sense is that jakereason and most of you are somehow convinced that the Serpo saga was actual "disclosure". Please, put on your thinking caps and look at who is involved in this. To refresh your memory, here's a list:

1. Victor Martinez - a pathetic man who has no problem lieing to everyone on his list in order to promote HIMSELF.

2. Rick Doty - a known liar and disinformation specialist who has contributed NOTHING to UFOlogy whatsoever! Regardless of what Collins may say to the contrary!

3. Bill Ryan - a Scientologist who is convinced his "mission" is to bring forth "disclosure" and doesn't mind perpetrating a "hoax" in his effort to get into the limelight.

4. Christopher "Kit" Green, MD - a known CIA agent who has a long history with Rick Doty and has been identified as NOT a friend of UFOlogy. Dr. Green also has a history of working with researchers investigating certain mind control techniques.

5. Hal Puthoff, PhD - has a long history with Kit Green and has been deeply involved in the same research noted above.

Don't get impressed by the story because someone involved appears to be connected to the "powers that be" in some way. As much as I first wanted to believe the Serpo story, I refuse to put my critical thinking ability on the back burner to do so.

We are committed to finding the TRUTH and publishing it - regardless of our own personal bias or beliefs. If you honestly think our investigation into who was behind Serpo constitutes a 'hoax', you need to think again my friend. :)
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:08 pm

shawnna- i don't think dragonfly is making any accusations against you, zep and ry. he's tossing around ideas provoked by all of this new information. i think you're being a little hard on him. it's sorta like june cleaver asking ward: ward, don't ya think you were a little hard on the beaver last night?
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Postby Shawnna » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:14 pm

You're right, cartoonsyndicate. I suppose I came across that way. :roll:

Reality is I was probably addressing all those who frequent here from the "other" board more than I was addressing dragonfire directly. :lol:

Dragonfire - please accept my apology for coming across in such a harsh way. Nothing personal, OK? :oops:

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Postby dragonfire » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:15 pm

Oh hell, I never believed serpo was real LOL, go back and see, sorry forgot, I said it was a "GOOD STORY" :lol:

I think what I was questioning was how I read and interpreted some of the posts, probably running to many together. Mind not working as fast as the eye can see :roll:

As to how you want to get info, I don't really care. And I must agree that exposing the imposters is important to final disclosure. But, if you want to see my point, try and look at it from outside the box.

Victor was tricked, and most of us here don't really have the background of info you have. And we don't know how much you have. Are you really putting it all out there, or just what you want us to see :?: If you can deceive others then....... Just an explination is all that is needed. The emails are nice but, how do we know, other that you telling us, they are legit. As every one keeps saying......proof. Thats all :wink:

I don't know, but others might feel this way too, I was just first to ask it in this way, ScaRZ has been asking too, in a different way.

As always, what is read, may not really be what is asked. These are just words on a screen. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers, just trying to get the facts straight :wink:
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Postby dragonfire » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:19 pm

Damn, took me to long to write that response :oops: Thanks toon hibit. :mrgreen: There is just so much to absorb and get straight right now :wink: Gotta go to all sides of the table. unfortunatly it's not round :lol:

Oh, and shawnna... I would have expected nothing less from you :lol: I've read to many of your past responses LOL :mrgreen:
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:21 pm

yeah. we don't wanna alienate dragonfly. actually he was one of two who stood up to defend the banned at om. the other was stan.
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Postby Zep Tepi » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:25 pm

With regards to the emails being real, they are definitely real alright! For one thing, if we had "cobbled together" these emails for the sake of trying to prove our case the people involved would have come down on us like a ton of bricks.

The emails are still there where they were originally sent to. They will be used to prove their authenticity should the need be required :)

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Postby JayKew » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:26 pm

What I cannot understand is why Tacitus Monroe who was so intent on quite rightly blowing Serpos credibility to pieces suddenly handed all the damaging information over to this forum instead of finishing off the job himself.

Can anyone explain this to me.
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Postby Zep Tepi » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:32 pm

Maybe the intention was to throw the spotlight onto someone else with regards to his identity. I realise a lot of people will be thinking Tacitus must be one of us because he hasn't updated his site recently - maybe that was his reason? I don't care either way, he has provided some great information!

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Postby Shawnna » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:33 pm

Excellent questions, dragonfire! I'll give it my best shot! :D

Yes - we absolutely have every intention of putting it all out there! In addition to the email box where these emails reside, we are now getting information from Tacitus as well. :D

It is a tremendous amount of work to put all of this out there, and do it in a way that makes sense to folks. :?

This email box has well over 500 emails that have to be sorted (and for those on Victor's spam email list - you know what I mean!). :lol:

Then the relevant emails have to be separated and put in chronological order.

Once that is done, they have to be displayed with the full headers and then they have to be put in .pdf format.

After that is complete, we are editing out personal information with XXXX's as much as possible - especially for those individuals NOT directly involved in this hoax.

Then we have to write a paragraph explaining what each email represents - to the best of our understanding.

When that is all said and done, it then has to be put in the format appropriate for posting on this site.

Our goal is to be sure that nothing is taken out of context, and what we post is presented in as comprehensive way as possible.

One of the reasons we are including the headers in each email .pdf is so people can see that we are not creating anything here. We are simply posting what we have access to, with headers. What we have created is the explanation of each email so individuals can put it into context.

If there is something you feel we have left out up to this point, please ask. We'll do our best to hunt down the information and post it, if we have access to it. If we don't, we'll let you know that too.

The reader must decide how they want to interpret the information as we all have our personal filters through which information passes.

I make a conscious effort every time I find new information to remove my personal filter so that I can see things clearly.

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Postby dragonfire » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:44 pm

shawnna,

Thank you, great explination, now wasn't that easy, except for all the writing haha :wink:
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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:47 pm

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Re: Main Serpo Discussion
« Reply #1626 on Apr 27, 2006, 5:30am »

hibits,


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what is wrong with you people?

Just the usual. What's wrong with you? Been lonely lately? Feel a need to lash out?

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the entire serpo affair is total bullcrap.

How so? You see nothing believable? Why are you here?

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rick doty is an amoral clown.

How specifically is Rick Doty lacking in morality? Why do you think he is funny? Or do clowns frighten you?

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admin is a shill for victor martinez.

What's your proof? At which points in time has he been a shill? Who do you represent?

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the purpose of this entire deception is to create an l. ron hubbard style cult based on a gaggle of weak-willed idiots.

Do you have facts to support this accusation? What is an L. Ron Hubbard cult like? Were you part of the Scientology movement yourself? Are we a gaggle of idiots or is your reference directed to Hubbard's followers? Does your degree in psychology allow you to differentiate between a moron, a simpleton and an idiot?

You really make some fascinating points here with the exception of the occasional hole in your well thought out statements. Your accompanying analysis is almost post-doctoral in nature. We stand in awe. Please do tell us what to do next! ;D ;D ;D
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Postby JayKew » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:51 pm

To be honest Zep, the first thing I would have asked Tacitus is

"hey !! why are you giving us this information, why arent you destroying VM et al yourself?"

I bet you did ask after all its such a logical question to ask ..... so are you erm, you know, going to tell us why he handed the bombs over to you ?
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