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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby murnut » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:02 pm

That makes sense.
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby suspicioso » Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:14 am

Looks like things have been hotting up over at OM on the Source 'A' and Ron thread...

On the eve of leaving for Greece, there was a call from CK this morning.

After talking about Ed, and some other old business, I finally got around to asking about Source ‘A’. If you don’t want a plot spoiler, you should go no further……

CK has been convinced that there is nothing noteworthy, to him, about ‘A’. This is what he was told. He still does not have the name, however.

‘A’ was at the lowest officer grade in the Navy. This means that he has been passed over for the last 20 years, which means he should have been decommissioned, years ago. He may just be a reserve officer at this point.

CK said that he sees no need for him to look into the matter further, or for the Navy to do so. When I pressed him on this point, he said their was nothing actually linking ‘A’ to any official Navy information or facilities, relative to ufos.

I expressed skepticism with this casual dismissal of Source ‘A’, but CK remained adamant. And this does put the ball back in the Pickerings’ court.

I would be surprised if ‘A’ provides any new significant information that can, in any way, be tied to the Navy.

There was a similar downplaying of the whole Doty affair, which I’ll take up later this afternoon. Is CK attempting to finish off the Core Story? It does seem rather late in that game to now try to shut it down. I did not get the impression that this was intended as his swan song, but that is a possible interpretation. One might have thought that last summer would have been a better time to cut those cords.



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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ryguy » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:06 pm

Ron's been saying that about "source A" for a long time. It's good to see Dan is actually publishing what Ron's saying rather than warping it prior to publication.

Is CK attempting to finish off the Core Story? It does seem rather late in that game to now try to shut it down.


It is nowhere in "CK's" (Ron's) power to "finish off the Core Story." There's very little he can do about a civilian, privately run scam. There is one thing he could certainly do to put a major wrench in their "Doty-as-a-government-disinfo-agent" claim that constantly adds fuel to their fire...and that would be to finally "open the books" on Doty and the full story about when he left the AF and why.

That, however, would involve a number of legal and ethical risks on Ron's part, and to be quite frank I don't think he's got the balls to do it. He'd face significant threats from Kit if he ever made that move, and to be honest I think Ron's afraid of Kit. It's easier and safer for him to let other people do all the dirty work.

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby murnut » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:39 pm

That relevation, quite frankly, surprises me
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby Zep Tepi » Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:48 pm

I have thought for a long time that Kit must have something on Ron. It is the only thing which would explain why Ron doesn't just come out and tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Sure, Ron likes to play games along with the rest of them, but when he has given us a helping hand, his information always checks out. We definitely cannot say the same for certain other people.

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby Zep Tepi » Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:16 am

We have made a major breakthrough on one aspect of the activities of Scammers Inc. There will be an update posted to the site either today or tomorrow that will deal a fatal blow to the group behind the scams.

You don't want to miss this one :)
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby scubbles » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:20 am

Hello all. Please allow this newbie to add to your community if you would have me, but most of all, I would love to tell you the story about how I came upon finding you, and most of all, how much this intrigued me that I had to join.

About a year and a half ago I stumbled upon the fascinating story about Serpo while trying hard not to work hard at work and wasting time on Wikipedia. I believe that I was on the Roswell crash page and there must have been some kind of mention or link to the Serpo story. (I am sure everyone falls down the wikipedia hole sometime and finds themselves 800 clicks off of what they were originally there for. I am sure if I did not find the Serpo story, I would have ended up eventually getting to porn, but I digress).

First, I am not a UFO person. Not really. I am intrigued by the notion, but not to the point of reading magazines or websites devoted to it. That just gives a little perspective. In other words, I stumbled upon your world and was amazed with the entire prospect.... (again I digress, but back to my story).

So eventually I made it over to Serpo.org read everything there, then somehow ended up on Open Minds Forum. Read everything there also. Now, I am not a crazy person, I would love for the story to be true, but it read pretty nutty to me. I eventually got turned off by OM forum for some reason last year. (I think it was all the 9/11 conspiracy stuff because I am sensitive about the entire topic having been in the WTC on 9/11 so I hate reading about it at all).

So anyway, recently, I started looking up Serpo again and found first the .info page with Shawwna's story. Digested everything there, then that lead me here, with all your debunking information on Serpo. I have to admit, I am totally amazed with everything.

So as a lay person in all of this, that only has a tertiary understanding of everything reading about it in some cases 3-5 years after the in-the-moment events were going on, this whole disclosure, the cloak and dagger of finding the fraud, the wizardofzin stuff.... amazing.

I wish I knew a good author because someone should chronicle all of this. In a coherent form that lays out the story for people like me. Who do not know who ANY of these people are. I would not know Bob Ryan if he fell out of the sky onto my face. or any of the other casts of characters.

I just know I look forward to continuing to piece this puzzle together as best I can and enjoy all the personalities involved.

Serpo is a fascinating tale of a story, how people react to that story, how people make that story adapt to their own hopes and dreams. It is also a story about the power of the internet. A fantasy story that could never have gotten so big without this tool.

Again, thank you all and keep pulling back the curtain.

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby Access Denied » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:36 am

Wow, nice intro. Welcome to RU Scubbles.

I agree, somebody should write a book. It's definitely a multifaceted tale of intrigue for the Internet age that goes beyond just the subject of “aliens” it’s based on…

Anyway, I'm sure Steve and Ryan will be by in short order to thank you and find out where to send the check. :)

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby ryguy » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:03 pm

Welcome Scubbles!

Thank god you didn't find yourself in the original insanely-long thread on AboveTopSecret where so much of the original buzz about Serpo took place. The parts you discovered - OM and RU, only came a bit after the story exploded on ATS (and then quickly fizzled out).

Having been so deeply involved from the beginning, and experiencing the rise and fall of numerous friendships (and enemies) during the investigation that stretched through the years, I do have to say that 2005 through 2008 had a profound impact on my life. It wasn't so much the story itself - so many of these scams come and go, just look at the "moon landing hoax", "JFK conspiracy" and of course 9/11, as you've pointed out. All of these are, at the core, originated mostly from troublemakers (probably delusional), if not outright scam artists with their own agenda.

What had such a tremendous impact on my life was not the story itself - to be honest, Serpo on its own is a juvenile and very cliche plotline...the likes of which you'd find in some late-night B-movie about heroes charting across space to some distant alien world. The impact came when I had to make very difficult moral and ethical decisions that probably most journalists struggle with - when I had to choose between the morality of trying to make broken friendships work, or the ethics of forging ahead and uncovering the truth for the larger public; when I had to face direct attacks by scam artists and criminals and threats against my privacy and my safety; and when I had to come to terms with a death and illness in the family while a lot of the drama was still going on. It was enough to drive a man insane - seriously.

All of these things combined in a powerful way that helped me grow, mature and (I hope) grow a little bit in the wisdom department. The biggest lesson that I've learned since 2005 is this - psychological warfare works, in part, through intimidation and fear. This means that, unless you take part in the process - unless you let yourself *feel* intimidated and fearful - those techniques will not work on you.

If you maintain fears about unknowns - about dark government forces, aliens, invisible entities and psychic attacks against your mind - whatever your fears are, those are the things that can be used against you. Once you've realized that nothing that happens to you, nothing anyone can do to you can *truly* hurt you - there's a great deal of relief and freedom in that. You can walk through a room full of darkness that most others run from, and uncover truths that most others are afraid to even consider.

The one guy who has stuck by my side through all of this personal growth was Steve, through thick and thin. Many of these life lessons, he knew already. I think they came from his military background and the life-tragedies he's already experienced. During my own life tragedies, Steve was always there for me - even if remotely and only online or on the phone. So, even if the guys who created the memes that originated with the MJ-12 docs in the 1980s and eventually made it into the Serpo memes of 2005 never step forward and admit their part in it - the one thing I'll always take away from the last half-decade is that I found one of the most amazing friends I could have ever hoped to know, and I am a completely different person today than I was in 2005.

Thanks for your great post (and for forcing this trip down memory lane) - and I welcome you to our small circle of open-minded critical thinkers.

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby Zep Tepi » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:16 am

Thanks Ryan, I don't find it gay in the slightest when I say the feeling is most definitely mutual.
While I hate the fact that stories like Serpo are out there, without it I wouldn't know some of the most amazing people you can imagine. So, thank you Serpo originators!
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby gunter » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:53 pm

And maybe that's the very purpose of l'affair Serpo. To round up the usual suspects and sentence them to an endless circle jerk. That would be my conclusion anyway.
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby Chorlton » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:04 pm

Y'know I know bugger all about Serpo. I once got started on it a little and I thought This is all a fairy story invented by fairytale writers, and never once since then have I dipped my nosey beak into it.
The more I hear of it the wiser I think I was to keep out of it.
But mix the letters in Serpo up and you get????? Prose !

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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby gunter » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:41 pm

Serpo would have died an ignoble death by now were it not for credulous popularizers like our own Murnut who facilitates its rise from the dead like a tattered zombie. Certainly Steve and Shawanna drove a stake through its malevolent heart years ago. ...Or at least I thought they had!
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby murnut » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:47 pm

weak
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Re: Behind Serpo

Postby gunter » Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:56 pm

murnut wrote:weak
weak? look at yourself. not just weak- but also mediocre. mob guy? we think so.
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