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Postby I.P.Freely » Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:50 am

Who is Dan Burisch Miss ? Besides this serpo thing planet x/zeta talk is the only thing about ufos I ever read on the net. And I,m sure we all already know what a kook that nancy lady is.
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Postby Xena » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:53 am

You know I still haven't written a satisfying cliffnotes version on the man yet. There's a bungled one that I wrote in about 2 mins on the main page at Eagles but it misses out stacks of stuff.

Couple of the DB claims as a refresher:
He claims to have had direct contact to Ebe 3 who is apparently named Chieleh (sp?) Was allegedly at Area 51, S4 at the same time as Bill Uhouse. (Uhouse's son and SO have recently signed a contract with Dan B as there's something in the pipeline on that) Dan B's task at the time was to find a cure for the jrod's genetic disorder that was in an advanced stage. Too much cloning "a la Stargate SG 1" had caused a loss of much that we as humans take for granted, including the soul (I'm a bit wishy washy here as my memory fails)

As a child, Dan B was allegedly abducted along with the son of "J" , member of MJ-12, designated, J1 and allegedly Vice Adm John McConnell. Something weird happened, Dan's essence was mind- melded with that of the aliens and the J's son, Michael. Michael never returned or passed on...again details are a little vague here but I have it all saved somewhere.

Dan B's little sister was also abducted (think of Fox mulder and his sister) never to return as alleged by a combination of himself, Marcia McDowell and many of their alter egos who like to pretend they are variously members of MJ-12, the illuminati, "security", Ravens. Even the Late Sir Peter Hills Norton & Gus Weiss, were involved, it is said both were "offed" as a result of their dabbling in Danny Burisch's affairs.

Dan B has allegedly had his mind erased, been part of occult circles and communes with the cherubim. His story is particularly attractive to many of the UFO contactees and new agers, that communicate with the likes of the Council of Nine, Ashtar, metatron, Cayce , Urantia and Oahpse followers.

Many other themes have been written into the saga such as the quest to discover the tree of life or to scientifically create all life, that's where the cherubim come in. He allegedly discovered ganesh particles which create life and in the last year or 2 he was out at Cabrillo beach curing the dead zone. He's also allegedly responsible for engineering virus which was used in the gulf war, later he denied this. He is mentioned in the bible codes or something related as the saviour of mankind. It is alleged he is related to, June Crain and various other members of earlier OSI ops, via marriage as well.

I could go on for hours..... we've even heard people say that the X-files was based around him, that Doty, Linda Moulton Howe and others had direct contact to Chris Carter. Gibson Praise is supposed to be real and we know who his brother or uncle, I forget which:) is, as he made it famous in Utah a few years back.

Think of all the conspiracy stories out there, Dan B has apparently been pivotal in his role in all of them. He is the messiah and will rebuff any attempt at debunking with screams of plausible deniability, mind games and attempts to project any charges laid at his feet , back on to those that would dare question his allegations.

Yuck, I need a bath now.

Try this link for some real facts about Burisch.
It's a start but it doesn't really do justice to the insanity that is rife here. Ooh and BTW, the guy does have one degree, if not a PhD and ScD. He has a BA in psychology


Lots of the word allegedly used in the above as I think the whole thing is complete but highly entertaining rubbish. Others may tell me I'm wrong, but can only prove it with words and opinions often including those from their channeled angels, council and galactic federation members.


Edit: cause I just remembered and you're all probably asleep up there anyway:)


He's also cracked the voynich manuscript but stopped reading the full contents when he read his own name within. He's also had access to the yellow book,. solved the sacred missing solfeggio healing tones.... and there was me thinking it was just a musical scale:)

He became a member of MJ-12 in 2005 and around that time attended the T9 treaty conference, where he bullied the lil grey men and other races, into immediately ceasing all abductions, forever!!!

There have been NONE since, got that????


MJ-12 was lost their messiah Danny when he resigned soon after but recommended they replace him with his school chum, Carol Thatcher, who still finds time when not saving the world from pesky aliens, to participate in (and win) the UK's reality TV show, I'm a celebrity get me out of here.

Early this year or late last year MJ-12 formally ceased to exist, but never fear all the now unemployed J's were quickly absorbed by the illuminati and Danny B is now a card carrying member of the Priory of Sion, oops that's right he then denied that one, it's the order of Magdalene something or other which is an OTO subshoot I think. My 'mate' Shady would possibly have more info.

Still much more that I've forgotten to include. What a story eh???
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Postby Almeirhria » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:17 pm

He's probably just changed his name and started working on his latest load of rubbish to confuse and lead people astray as we speak.
You do realize he is creating more work for you and wants people to 'investigate' his 'work'?

Xena, do you know what companies he has worked for or is affiliated with?
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Postby I.P.Freely » Thu Jul 27, 2006 12:19 pm

wow sounds like that guy has been chaseing a few to many tailpipes lol thanks for the response
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Postby Shadow Watcher » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:33 pm

I am so disgusted by the fakes in the ufo realm that I am almost convinced there are no real stories. Imagine if all the ufo hype was created just to cover our military aircraft and that is THE BIG SECRET that no one wants the public to know. I suppose it would be embarrassing if these hoaxers were found to be on a military payroll for their efforts.

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Postby Hidden Hand » Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:59 pm

Shadow Watcher:

Welcome to the club.
Is this a private fight, or can anyone join in?
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Postby ScaRZ » Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:11 pm

Great post Xena.......sounds like he has done, or is about everything.
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Postby GalacticG » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:24 pm

Those must be the "alleged Serpo photos" conveniently blurred out in the pictures.

Wow. It's like Bill's trying the "it's just so crazy, it just might work" strategy - bring in Dan Burisch to "legitimize" Serpo. Hilarious.
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Postby ryguy » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:42 pm

There's also a more mundane possibility - that Bill & his gf are simply interviewing Burisch as part of Project Camelot - the project they are working on together to interview and catalog "whisleblowers" who have come forth. Zep did some work for Bill assisting with setting up the webpage for project Camelot, so we learned about the project, which at the time I thought was a fairly noble thing to want to do.

Normally I would simply ask Bill about the photos, however unfortunately since he has gone over to the "dark side", Zep & I haven't bothered contacting him again.

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Postby Xena » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:24 pm

Almeirhria wrote:He's probably just changed his name and started working on his latest load of rubbish to confuse and lead people astray as we speak.
You do realize he is creating more work for you and wants people to 'investigate' his 'work'?


I sorta stopped absorbing and archiving most of his new claims a few months ago. I haven't followed any of the latest interviews either, so I'm feeling pretty good these days, lol. The only real proof we ever got from him, was that he was fond of photoshopping cartoons to insult and threaten some of us. Those that were interested in jrod, MJ-12 or angels just swept that part of his character under the carpet, but I was looking for public evidence of less than humble, non-messiah like behaviour so that was all I needed :twisted:

Almeirhria wrote: Xena, do you know what companies he has worked for or is affiliated with?

It's a small and unremarkable list for someone with his alleged pedigree, I'll dig out a list but essentially he did a stint as a probation officer in Las Vegas, he met his wife in that role as she was sent to him after some sort of drug charges.

He was also in security at either Aladin's or one of the other casinos, I think (will check)

He also has membership to stacks of organisations but on closer inspection none of these are as remarkable as have been alleged. Pay your money, fill in the form, here's your life membership etc.
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Postby dragonfire » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:33 pm

Haha, this guy's got soooo much going on with this story and that, he probably forgot where he was so he just decided he did it all. That way he can't get "caught" so to speak.

WOW, just imagine all the double talk, never mind, it hurts my head. haha
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Postby Xena » Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:41 pm

ryguy wrote:There's also a more mundane possibility - that Bill & his gf are simply interviewing Burisch as part of Project Camelot - the project they are working on together to interview and catalog "whisleblowers" who have come forth. Zep did some work for Bill assisting with setting up the webpage for project Camelot, so we learned about the project, which at the time I thought was a fairly noble thing to want to do.


This is exactly the type of format that would suit Burisch. Bill Ryan would not have enough of an idea about the whole saga to be able to ask the right questions nor would he have the time. What is released will be what Burisch wants you to hear. It will likely be a very contradictory piece but who will notice? What idiot stuck around long enough to really get a clearer picture? At least I wasn't the only one. To me, creating a site for whistleblowers is all very well but useless if it is just a platform and harvesting ground for them. Will there be any links to those that refute their claims or just links to more fluffy institutes that accept and promote without verification, such as Sallas exopolitics.

Isn't it a case of history repeating itself while the "whistleblower" or hoaxer looks for the right PR man to promote his story. The more experience in MLM, public speaking or Landmark/COS then the greater the audience will be.

A good example of this would be Jaime Maussan's involvement in the Jonathon Reed hoax, Reed (not sure about Maussan) to this day is still peddling his story in S America and non-english speaking countries.

This site is worth a good read as it shows the UFERs involved (including Maussin) that promoted reed to be somewhat lacking in investigative skills.
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedufofraud.html

The most important piece I gathered, from looking at that Reed hoax was the ability of Maussan to draw crowds, as opposed to other UFERs. Imagine if Burisch got his hooks into someone like him or had the backing of C2C.


Edit: Links to J reed and Dan Iarias websites (archived on the wayback)
http://web.archive.org/web/200009030118 ... +Story.htm

http://web.archive.org/web/200102150214 ... stiny.com/

snipped:
Her interview was first aired on that program and was also shown at the July 21, 2001 MUFON Symposium in Anaheim, California by Jaime Maussan in what ended up being a standing-room only presentation. His presentation yielded a rare standing ovation from an extremely impressed audience. The image of Betty is a frame-grab from the Otro Rollo broadcast.

http://web.archive.org/web/200112210207 ... eBetty.htm
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Postby ryguy » Fri Jul 28, 2006 3:17 am

Hi Xena,

I agree wholeheartedly, and yes, I believe what you said is accurate. After my post above I received an email from Bill which I'll paste below (because I believe he wanted me to, which is fine.) I'll comment a little bit after - and Bill, if you're reading this, my response to you will be after the quote.

Bill emailed the following, and of course, as he has been doing for the past month or so, he cc'd his buddies - the OM mods.

Hi, Ry (Hi, Steve) –

You wrote today on Reality Uncovered:

> There's also a more mundane possibility - that Bill & his gf are simply
> interviewing Burisch as part of Project Camelot - the project they are working
> on together to interview and catalog "whisleblowers" who have come forth. Zep
> did some work for Bill assisting with setting up the webpage for project
> Camelot, so we learned about the project, which at the time I thought was a
> fairly noble thing to want to do.

> Normally I would simply ask Bill about the photos, however unfortunately
> since he has gone over to the "dark side", Zep & I haven't bothered contacting
> him again.

> -Ry

Please ask away – you’ll get honest answers. Anyone who really believes Kerry and I are on the “Dark Side” is a poor judge of character. Why don’t you fly to California and meet us in person before jumping to further public conclusions? You never know... you might enjoy getting to know us. We’re straightforward, intelligent, sensitive, perceptive, articulate, nice people with high values and a determination to make a difference in the world. We’re also human and can get hurt and frustrated if our motives are questioned. But that won’t stop us doing our work, which we urge people to support – please see below.

Yes, our interview with Dan Burisch is an ongoing Project Camelot venture – see http://projectcamelot.org ; please read carefully everything on the site before jumping to any conclusions about what we stand for or what our goals are.

Camelot is committed to give airtime to anyone who has something potentially important to say. The result in this case will be several hours of good quality video, in which Dan reveals some fairly astonishing information. Kerry asked some extremely incisive questions and Dan’s answers on camera, for the record, may be important.

The challenge we’ve set ourselves is to report all this. It’s a service to the community, and is all (so far) funded from our own pockets. When the video is released, it’ll be a major new information resource about the Dan Burisch story. Then it can be debated, accepted, rejected, debunked, believed or not, as anyone chooses.


The video will take quite some editing (a LOT of material), and Kerry’s been working on it for several days. However, we hope the UFO community will appreciate it as a major source of information about Dan’s story. We met and talked with with Dan and Marcie in depth over a two day period and got to know them very well. They trust us fully and have told us that after this they will give no more interviews. It was a pleasure and a privilege to spend time with them.

Our goal is to present information dispassionately, protect sources where appropriate (as we’re doing with “Mr X”, and also with another courageous whistleblower we’ve contacted – see below), and honor those with the courage to take a stand against vested interests and closed-minded unwillingness to consider new paradigms.

It’s NOT our place to judge claims or stories. Camelot will not be a kangaroo court.

Here’s a personal request for anyone reading this. Please lift yourselves above any personal bickering or criticism and support Camelot. Among other things, it’s about those who have died: read the personal stories ( http://projectcamelot.org/tribute.html ) – they give profound pause for thought. When a researcher, scientist, reporter or whistleblower gives their life for their courage and the stand they take, this is bigger than all of us; it reminds us that we all, despite apparent differences, stand for the same goals and values – to get the truth out. We may differ about what we believe the truth is, and we may get temporarily heated or upset, but all that pales into insignificance compared with what’s at stake and who the real enemies of disclosure may be.

Camelot has nothing to do with Serpo – except that it was inspired partly because of our contact with “Mr X”, who contacted me personally through the Serpo website contact form back last December, and who has since become a personal friend. That was the seed which started the vision of what was needed: a safe place for people to release possibly dangerous information.

For example, we’ve made contact with an elderly man who worked with Otis Carr, Tesla’s student and protegé, when in his early 20s. In 1954-56 he was one of three pilots who “flew” a 45 foot diameter craft for several miles, reaching their destination instantaneously. It was powered with contrarotating rings of electromagnets and capacitors, with an additional component which involved shining light at various frequencies into a large crystal. The second, critical, component was the pilots’ focused intention as a “conscious” part of the system. Soon after the dramatic test flight, their project was forcibly shut down by government agents.

This guy has a 6” thick scrapbook of diagrams, notes, blueprints and photos. We made contact in March at which time I encouraged him to do a full written report which I promised to publicize and get to people in a position to duplicate the research. Shortly afterwards, he went into hospital for a routine knee operation, “accidentally received the wrong treatment”, and nearly died three times. He’s just emerged, very frail, from intensive care – but is determined to tell his story. Prior to that he’d enjoyed perfect health for 71 years. This is exactly what Project Camelot is for.

Do please post this message publicly with my and Kerry’s regards to all – many thanks, and our best wishes to you.

Entirely coincidentally, Tim Ventura from American Antigravity ( http://americanantigravity.com ) interviewed me by e-mail, and I eventually got round to finishing it yesterday. He too asks some good questions, and the result is over 7,000 words which may be useful or interesting background. Do please post it if you wish – Tim will be posting it on American Antigravity in a week or two, and in the meantime he’s kindly given his permission for it to be duplicated elsewhere, with the request that AAG is acknowledged with a web link. Thanks.

Best, Bill


A couple of points to you Bill, in response. My statement about "the dark side" was in reference to the new friends you've chosen to side with, and about the breach of confidence against Zep & I in your latest writing. July 7th was before Zep posted the McGovern update. Keep that in mind. You broke the trust first - hence my comment that you "went over to the dark side." You wrote recently that Kerry told you "these guys aren't your friends, Bill." Well I'd like you to tell her something for me - she made a terrible mistake, and so have you.

From the very start, we've warned you to choose your friends wisely Bill. You've obviously ignored that advice - so as the saying goes, Ces't La Vie. Whatever will be, will be....

As you said Bill: "We’re also human and can get hurt and frustrated if our motives are questioned." You might want to keep that in mind about us as well.

Xena - this is the quote that describes the major difference in approach between those who have installed a "filter" when analyzing any claim or story, and those who haven't:

It’s NOT our place to judge claims or stories. Camelot will not be a kangaroo court.


That says it all. Bill feels that it is his service to the community to allow information to flow - much as the OM admin Lucianarchy has stated before. The point is to allow it all to flow, regardless. Our approach, of course, is offensive to that stance, because we take each piece, turn it over, inspect it, verify every last detail and claim right down the the bone in order to immediately prevent the scam artists and hoaxsters from getting through.

It's a difference in approach, it has been argued to death between the two forums, but ironically our goals are the same - to get to the ultimate truth. Zep & I have discussed this matter for hours before, and I personally am no longer sure about Bill, at least not as sure as I used to be when Zep & I could speak to him with trust and confidence. Now, all I can personally do, is very much like Bill says he is doing - simply move forward, investigate, interview, and report what we uncover.

Bill - I honestly wish you the best. I wish things would have turned out differently, but you make the choices you make - and the chips fall where they fall. That's life.

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