Lucianarchy Uncovered

[I.P.Freely]

I think it is only fair to stick up a mirror and see how the pro-Serpo camp fares in their claims of "moral high ground".

Absolutely HH!!!

Rather than letting the serpo story speak for itself, and stand/fall on it's own merits, those pedalling the fiction as fact have clearly shown themselves up as dis-informants and pawns by way of the unrelenting character assassination of the RU investigators.

Besides GW where and from whom have you heard that serpo is a fact. For the love of pete everyone take a deep breath, relax and please listen as I again ...I have with the exception of one person know of anyone who has claimed to believe serpo to be true including myself. Now there are those like myself that think that there is just a litle to much acivity about all this for it all to be nothing.But what that may be is anyones guess but I repeat NO ONE BELIEVES
SERPO TO BE TRUE. Alright maybe this time you guys will get it.

And thats why people at MO get all pissed off when someone here talks s^~t like they are some stupid moron who can,t figure out there are no facts or proof.
So then then they talk s^~t and now we have s^~t flying all over the place.

And why am I useing such language because I am hopeing someone acually will f*%king listen this time No one believes serpo find one person besides GW and I give you a piece of my artwork.

Mod i understand If you edit my post but hope you wont it wont be something that continues either way

MOD EDIT - "s^~t" is OK IPF, but I had to tweak the "f" word.

[BlueTileSpook]

Besides GW where and from whom have you heard that serpo is a fact. For the love of pete everyone take a deep breath, relax and please listen as I again ...I have with the exception of one person know of anyone who has claimed to believe serpo to be true including myself. Now there are those like myself that think that there is just a litle to much acivity about all this for it all to be nothing.But what that may be is anyones guess but I repeat NO ONE BELIEVES SERPO TO BE TRUE. Alright maybe this time you guys will get it.

I get it, but evidently I see things at OM a bit differently than you do.

Yeah, GW is about the only one that I can think of that is positive that any part of SERPO is true and most others there profess doubts about SERPO or say outright that it is fictional.

As a whole, the OM board asks the reader to hold their breath about SERPO... to wait and see how it all turns out before making judgement, but at the same time, the board, as a whole, doesn't seem to want to hear negative things or to discuss discrepancies about SERPO for fear that it "may hinder disclosure".

With the story being discussed having two sides, PRO-SERPO and CON-SERPO, if OM doesn't want to discuss the CON-SERPO issues in the story, that only leaves the PRO-SERPO issues, and that makes the board PRO-SERPO regardless of individual beliefs.

JDub

[Hidden Hand]

And why am I useing such language because I am hopeing someone acually will f---- listen this time No one believes serpo find one person besides GW and I give you a piece of my artwork.

So:
1) a bunch of people come along claiming Serpo is true
2) another group of people start pulling apart the inconsistencies in the story
3) the first bunch start verbally abusing the second group
4) now you, IPF, expect us to just give up on all the delicious clues that the first group have left behind - just because "nobody believes Serpo is true"??

lol

[Hidden Hand]

Lucianarchy Uncovered {/con't pt2/}

(Just a reminder - Lucianarchy = admin at Open Minds forum)

Lucianarchy - banning and spinning
In this thread, date 10/23/04, LA defends his "ladybrook prediction" and claims it satisfies the JREF $1 million challenge:

Well, of course, what SR writes / twists is complete nonsense. The ladybrook thread shows that this was indeed the sort of proof that the JREF have been looking for. It is highly probable that I was banned to 'shut me up' for bringing such proof under the nose of the JREF $1m. I most can only imagine that whatever they have made up about me now is simply to avoid dealing with the proof positive.

{my emphasis}

{as specious_reasons writes in that same thread: "Randi has a process by which the $1 million is awarded. To the best of my knowledge, Lucianarchy has not gone through that process. Posting to the forum does not constitute an application for the $1 million." But I digress..}

SkepticReport writes in the following page of the same thread: "If anyone doubts the authenticity of the thread where Lucianarchy violates several rules, forges quotes and ignores warnings, they can also contact the admins on the JREF board and ask if the thread has been forged." {my emphasis}

Some of that activity was happening here:
Lucianarchy's post of 10/19/04 has been edited by the moderator:

Posted by Darat:
I have removed text and inserted a link so that this post is not in breach of your Membership Agreement. Although I found the link with just one search using Google it is your responsibility to ensure your posts are in line with the Membership Agreement when you post them. Therefore this is an official warning for violation of Rule 4, if you make future posts like this further sanctions may be applied.

Edited by Darat: Edited for breach of Membership Agreement and Rule 8.

And again about 2 hours later:

Edited by Darat: Edited for breach of Membership Agreement and Rule 8.

{For the record - here is the JREF forum Membership agreement. Rule #4 = "You will not post "copyright-protected" material in its entirety." Rule #8 = "You will not post profanity."}

Lucianarchy is then banned later that day 10/19/04:
Google cache of Lucianarchy banning at JREF

Lucianarchy has been banned for multiple breaches of his/her Membership Agreement.

Not only does Lucianarchy commit "multiple breaches" of the JREF membership agreement, he then promptly goes off and misrepresents his banning for breaching the agreement as an attempt to silence him.



To be continued..

All I ask is for people who have followed any my internet escapades: Do you own research, don't let others think for you.

[ochre]

I played around with your previous links, and all I can say is that Luci is one tragic individual. Drops out here, promising not to involve itself (since gender seems optional/variable) there, and then popping up again somewhere else to start over, get a bit banned, and start process over again.

Keep up the story, please. Please?

[Hidden Hand]

From a thread at the JREF forums entitled "I found lucianarchy", starting on Sep 10, 2005.

The thread starts with user geni quoting a post by Lucianarchy at thesupernaturalworld.co.uk. Lucianarchy's post characterizes the JREF members questions about Lucianarchy's claim to have psychic powers as "relentless personal attacks".

Then:

Funnily enough, he recently started posting again on the sci.skeptic usenet group, under the name "." (probably so it would be difficult to search for)

And then:

And the funniest thing is he still slavishly visits these forums even though he is banned.

I posted a comment awhile ago about how the "Ladybrook" thread must be nearly archived, and a very short time later (mere hours) some mysterious new poster bumped the thread back up.

The new poster was immediately identified as Lucianarchy and was banned, but it didn't matter as they had only registered to bump that thread (I know, how sad is that?).

To be continued..

[kiwicocky]

Besides GW where and from whom have you heard that serpo is a fact. For the love of pete everyone take a deep breath, relax and please listen as I again ...I have with the exception of one person know of anyone who has claimed to believe serpo to be true including myself. Now there are those like myself that think that there is just a litle to much acivity about all this for it all to be nothing.But what that may be is anyones guess but I repeat NO ONE BELIEVES
SERPO TO BE TRUE. Alright maybe this time you guys will get it.

And thats why people at MO get all pissed off when someone here talks s^~t like they are some stupid moron who can,t figure out there are no facts or proof.
So then then they talk s^~t and now we have s^~t flying all over the place.

And why am I useing such language because I am hopeing someone acually will f*%king listen this time No one believes serpo find one person besides GW and I give you a piece of my artwork.

IPF I hadn't realised you were the spokesman for OM on this board.

To be honest with you I've rarely read OM - I'm basing my statement on what I've learnt from the Burisch investigation, and what I've read here at RU.

Before you throw your arms in the air in disgust and start swearing again, I'd like to add the main 'playa's' are present in both stories - and many other stories besides.

Researching Burisch lead to Roswell, MJ-12, Dulce, Yellow Book etc, etc, oh and Ebens, of course. But mostly some of us got interested in WHO was promoting the info - their credibility and motives, the way they interacted with us.

RU have done much to reinforce and prove what many of the Burisch researchers surmised.

I really couldn't give a toss whether you or your mates at OM think I'm talking s^~t or not, I'm sick of the games and the gullible allowing themselves to be used. One signifcant way this 'use' is applied is engendering the fear that it "may hinder disclosure" as J-Dub said earlier How old are we all? Some of us refuse to sit beneath pedestals awaiting the odd morsel and pat on the head.

How much research have you done IPF?

Sorry for the thread drift Hidden Hand.

[Hidden Hand]

One signifcant way this 'use' is applied is engendering the fear that it "may hinder disclosure" as J-Dub said earlier How old are we all? Some of us refuse to sit beneath pedestals awaiting the odd morsel and pat on the head.

No worries kiwicocky - what you write above is exactly why I am repeating ad nauseum Lucianarchy's own words: "Do you own research, don't let others think for you." (Does he practice what he preaches, or does he only trot out stuff like that when it is convenient for him??)

[Springer]

The OM forum's withering traffic indicating the end of the bollocks that was slurpo is yet another chapter in this sock puppeteer's ongoing saga. It is amazing to see how many fora he has been cast out of and how many on line community leaders have banned him.

I think it only logical to add AboveTopSecret.com to that list since it was Luci's banning from/disagreement with our site that caused him to spawn "OM".

In the midst of our Slurpo thread, Luci started the staunch Pro serpo positioning in spite of the facts. He went ballistic when we edited out some of his more acidic attacks against some of our Members (if i remember right) so we ultimately banned him, in accordance with our Terms and Conditions of use agreement he signed when he joined.

Guess what he did immediately after being banned?

CREATED several SOCK PUPPET ACCOUNTS.

In an attempt to promote the OM forum he used these bloody puppets to keep posting the link to the new site. Our policy is clear and strict about Members promoting other sites. They need to have the common courtesy to ASK US if it's okay.

Luci couldn't be bothered with asking us (we would have said no - we don't promote websites of people we had to ban) and just kept re-registering under different user names and posting the link to OM everywhere he could. It was a struggle keeping up with his IP address for a couple hours or so but we got it all deleted.

Then history repeated itself, history I did not know until I read HH's fine work here.

Luci twisted that simple denial of posting his link, based on his personal misbehavior and inability to be civil, into some dastardly plot by myself and my partners to squelch "disclosure".

If you go look through the early posts on OM you'll see several inflammatory loads of ca ca about ATS trying to "silence him" and pure bollocks like that. I think they even started a thread entitled "ATS what's the deal?" that was really loaded with lies and ridiculous statements.

This fits hand in hand with what has been revealed here. This person appears incapable of playing it straight.

Why couldn't he just say "ATS banned me and they refuse to let me put a link up to my site because they banned me" and leave it at that? That was the TRUTH.

I think the reason is clearly because that truthful explanation is BORING and nobody would care!

It's much more exciting to make false statements about "silencing", "oppression" and "disinfo". His lies about us were believed by many who were also mad at us for enforcing our board rules on civility, decorum, and NOT HAVING MORE THAN ONE ACCOUNT.

For a while there OM was like a gathering place for those who couldn't handle the civility requirements, non hoaxing rules,etc.. of ATS.

I'll have to go dig through the old posts and get the details but my memory of the situation is pretty good and it fits the history like a glove.

On a side note, the New "Biggest Thread on ATS" is about a game we put on for anyone who wanted to play. It surpassed the slurpo thread with >5400 replies in THREE DAYS.

Springer...

[Hidden Hand]

Just a quicky this time as I continue to research:
Wayback Machine cache of Lucianarchy's angelfire "clues" page

Trolls:

1. All Usenet posts are trolls. They are all created to elicit a response one way or another. Some trolls are more effective than others.

Spam

1. Does not exist except in sandwiches your Aunt made you eat on Sundays.{snip}
3. ....is a label used by kooks and attached to whatever they want to censor.

In other words, Lucianarchy defends trolls and spam by saying that everything is trolling and nothing is spam.

{I'll return to these statements later on.}
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At this point (as a 'teaser'), I wanted to introduce the name of Bruce Daniel (Dan) Kettler.

BDK won alt.usenet.kooks Kook of the Year award in 1997 - as well as other AUK awards (Luci appears to only have been nominated for KOTM.)

Kettler has a series of pages on his website for the purpose of defending his alt.paranormal and alt.astrology pals (including Lucianarchy by name) and attacking people who have opposing POVs.

Spamhaus/skepticult has erected a memorial to Dan - The Bru Room including 3 investigative reports. They kindly reproduce a post quoting the New York Times commenting on Kettler's web site - calling it "incoherent". From the first Bru Room report:

Note that Dan will forever attempt to spin this negative press by saying that the author is a disinformation agent.

To be continued..

All I ask is for people who have followed any my internet escapades: Do you own research, don't let others think for you.

[ScaRZ]

Why should I really care what Lucianarchy has been doing on other forums in his past?
Is he still doing the same thing at OM.....IS that your point?

He never post at RU, so you don't have to worry about him here.
I just can't see the value of all this time and reseach being put into this, dragging his name through the mud.

This goes back to the point of EVERYBODY having some skeletons in their closet. We all have said and done some stupid things, but really what point does it serve to air it to the world.

I enjoying reading most of the research you guys have put together here at RU, but this I just don't understand the point of.

This is only my opinion, nothing more nothing less. You can do anything you want to do with your time.

[ryguy]

Why should I really care what Lucianarchy has been doing on other forums in his past?
Is he still doing the same thing at OM.....IS that your point?

Yeah - that's exactly the point.

Secondly and more importantly, it points out that Mr. "Look at that a__hole who pretended to be someone he really isn't to Victor" - has done the same exact sort of thing to others. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

-Ry

[ScaRZ]

Why should I really care what Lucianarchy has been doing on other forums in his past?
Is he still doing the same thing at OM.....IS that your point?

Yeah - that's exactly the point.

Secondly and more importantly, it points out that Mr. "Look at that a__hole who pretended to be someone he really isn't to Victor" - has done the same exact sort of thing to others. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

-Ry

But Ryan......I call this mud slinging. One guy does it, then you do it back to him......WHAT point does it serve? Are you the better man for throwing it back in his face, or are you the same guy?

[ryguy]

But Ryan......I call this mud slinging. One guy does it, then you do it back to him......WHAT point does it serve? Are you the better man for throwing it back in his face, or are you the same guy?

I'll be honest and straight with you Scarz, a man can only hold back for so long while getting hit non-stop in the face with mud. There comes a point when you have to stand up to a bully or they will just continue beating on you.

-Ry

[Zep Tepi]

I personally do not see this as mud slinging. I am sick and tired of the almost daily accusations that come out of the OM camp - and LA in particular. The guy has the audacity to spout off incessantly at us when he is guilty of the same and WORSE behaviour all through his online activities.

It's the blatant hypocrisy I have a problem with. Surely we have a right to point these things out when we are the subject of such attacks?

Cheers,
Zep