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Postby ryguy » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:34 am

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hahahahahaha i think you're taking yourself a tad too seriously.


Yeah - that's what they said to David when he faced Goliath too.

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:10 am

Shawnna wrote:I do believe some would say that we have "crucified":

1. Doty
2. Victor
3. Bill Ryan
4. Lucianarchy aka Admin aka whothehellknows

I believe Toon was alluding to SF getting his own expose at some point.

Now don't take any of this personally Toon, OK?

We're going to keep this civil.

BTW - we do not have SF on the fast track for an expose so don't worry about it now.


I've never alluded to crucifixion- that was hh's schtick. nor do i believe that any of the men on your list have been crucified here. crucifixion has a certain tenor of finality about it and these guys are all still alive and kicking as far as i can tell. ...unless you know something i don't know. and as for friedman- he's also still alive and kicking. i agree with springer on this:

I would be shocked to learn that S.F. was anything but forthright. I really would be shocked.


i would also be very shocked.
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Postby Hidden Hand » Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:13 am

toon - you are the one who implied that I wanted to smear SF (in your response to my interview question)
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Postby kiwicocky » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:49 am

cartoonsyndicate wrote:
kiwicocky wrote:Looking forward to that HH :)


hahahahahaha i think you're taking yourself a tad too seriously.


Aahh, it's not me with the 'dogged loyalty' issue - I'm merely here for the popcorn 8) :ppcrn

I do however find it mildly curious that some around the forums like to play the 'my ufer is better than your ufer' game.

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:12 pm

Hidden Hand wrote:toon - you are the one who implied that I wanted to smear SF (in your response to my interview question)


i never implied that. my only point was that sf is tired of gratuitous smears and, i believe, that if he senses a set up he won't subject himself to it. any involvement here by sf ought to be along the lines of his ats appearance. springer did it right.
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Postby ryguy » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:51 pm

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i never implied that. my only point was that sf is tired of gratuitous smears and, i believe, that if he senses a set up he won't subject himself to it. any involvement here by sf ought to be along the lines of his ats appearance. springer did it right.


Cartoon - if he's willing to answer some of our questions in an "interview" style format, I would be glad to create a locked thread where people could submit questions and one of us mods would post the question to Mr. Friedman to answer. It would be a great opportunity to get some answers from the man himself, and he could rest assured that negative attacks, comments or "smearing" of any kind would not take place.

The benefit to Mr. Friedman - a level-headed site to have a discussion where an investigative approach is taken, meaning the discussion would be taken seriously by the more "analytical" and intelligent folks who are interested in ufology. His views would be shown to stand up to analysis and verification - solidifying his place as one of the few validated and respected researchers in the field. The same goes for the respected researcher Michael Salla.

The benefit to us - we would enjoy the benefit of hearing the perspective of one of the few respected researchers in the field, and we would benefit greatly from the added viewpoint of such an investigator. There are some insightful and valid questions many of the investigators who visit our forum have for Mr. Friedman, and it would be a great service to our knowledgebase and a boost to his reputation, to publicly answer those questions.

In other words, we'd be very grateful for his presence here.

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Postby Hidden Hand » Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:07 pm

Toon flashback:
HH - Do you think SF might do an interview with RU..
CS - Well SF is tired of being smeared by interviewers..
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Postby dragonfire » Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:54 pm

Shawnna wrote:
If we are to ever bring UFOlogy out of the realm of science fiction


IMO, it will not happen. The garbage pile is growing, and it's getting harder and harder to sift through it for the real goods. At some point though, we will have to believe somebody. The problem is who?

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:49 pm

Hidden Hand wrote:Toon flashback:
HH - Do you think SF might do an interview with RU..
CS - Well SF is tired of being smeared by interviewers..


actually, what i said was this:
he may. just ask him. he's very forthcoming. on the other hand he's covered this ground ad nauseum for 20 years and he's way over the usual stan friedman smears. if you have anything new- i'm sure he'd consider an interview.
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Postby ryguy » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:37 pm

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Postby cartoonsyndicate » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:48 pm

dragonfire wrote:Shawnna wrote:
If we are to ever bring UFOlogy out of the realm of science fiction


IMO, it will not happen. The garbage pile is growing, and it's getting harder and harder to sift through it for the real goods. At some point though, we will have to believe somebody. The problem is who?

Oh yeah, hello cartoon :wlcm: back :mrgreen:


i agree with both you and shawnna on this. ufology, unfortunately, is the home of montbanks and hoaxers who cohabitate with the few brave souls who take the study seriously. my feeling is- believe no-one but listen to the serious students. you know who they are. Jim MacDonald, Donald Keyhoe, Stan Friedman, David Jacobs, Alan Hynek, Karla Turner, Mike Salla, Brian Woods, Kevi Randle, Tim Good, Leo Sprinkle, Bud Hopkins, Whit Strieber, Frank Edwards, Mike Hessemann, and on and on... .

you say that at some point we'll have to believe somebody. but i disagree. the truth of it all will be revealed inspite of our cheap selves!
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Postby Hidden Hand » Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:54 pm

ryguy wrote:**Moderator Warning**
"Hitting your head too hard against a brick wall can cause serious brain injury. We recommend against it. Should you choose to slam your head against a brick wall, RU will not be held responsible for the resulting brain damage."


I signed the indemnity agreement and Zep has it on file..
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now i see the meaning of your avatar. the child in shorts.
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Postby ryguy » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:13 pm

No guys - seriously... It's okay to disagree but the discussion is dissolving quickly here... Let's agree to move on with the discussion ok? Stanton Friedman and Michael Salla's views would be most welcome here, and they would be treated well. Shawnna has told me that she would submit to being handcuffed and gagged for the duration of the interview.... :)

Just kidding Shawnna! ;)
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