"Chapter" 20

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"Chapter" 20

Postby MikeJamieson » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:25 pm

Here's a partial repost of VM's #20 email "release". If the moderators
want the full thing (and aren't on his list), they can send me an
email address to forward it to (via pm). I don't have "mail function"
(i.e. cant email by clicking on email in memberlist). Not reposting
the whole thing....it's too long and I'm not wanting to dump too much
trash in someone else's "home".

A FORMER MEMBER OF BRITISH INTELLIGENCE -- MI6 -- CORROBORATES THE
BASIC, ORIGINAL CORE STORY AS TOLD BY "ANONYMOUS" AND SUPPLIES NEW,
PREVIOUSLY UNKNOWN DETAILS OF "Project CRYSTAL KNIGHT!"

STAY TUNED FOR A "Project SERPO" ANNUAL "BACK-TO-SCHOOL" SPECIAL EDITION
NEXT MONTH (I hope!)

MODERATOR's NOTE(s):

1) The original ANONYMOUS source makes some brief comments on this
latest revelation in POSTING #20; read his comments in "2 of 5" which
immediately follow this post.

2) Whether this is factual or a hoax, I have NO idea, but it rings TRUE;
I'll leave that up to the crack team of researchers that Brendan Burton
at the "Open Minds" forum has assembled to determine.

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/inde ... ojectserpo

In the interest of transparency, IF this is a HOAXED account, I'll make
a PUBLIC NOTICE stating as such and SERPO.org Web site Administrator
Bill Ryan can move it from POSTING #20 to the "Famous SERPO Hoaxes and
Spoofs!" section.

3) In "3 of 5," I will now actually share with the world the extreme,
SICK lengths of those OPPOSED to the segmented release of the "Project
SERPO" material will go to DEbunk and railroad it into oblivion. During
a 3½-hr lunch meeting on 6-26-06, Bill Ryan and myself determined that
the e-mail I received on 6-21-06 claiming to be my ANONYMOUS was
[another] IMPOSTOR ANONYMOUS posing as my ORIGINAL source.

A day later, a state police investigator confirmed our suspicions and
then recently my ORIGINAL ANONYMOUS stated forcefully it was NOT from
any member of the DIA-6.

READ the original e-mail so you can all be E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-E-D-!
and learn the PROBABLE SOURCE of this HOAXED E-MAIL! VERY revealing!

4) A VERY interesting testimonial on "Project CRYSTAL KNIGHT" is
received and shared by Bill Ryan from the SERPO.org Web site in "4 of 5"
... very WEIRD!

5) PLEASE READ the footnotes to this post at the very END of POSTING #20
in "5 of 5" for proper context and historical background information on
the various parties/subjects addressed here; all research was done by me
from my enormous personal home library and took me nearly 36 hours to
compile, select
choice passages and manually type in.
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Part 1 of 5:

VICTOR. You are doing an excellent job. Please release this information
verbatim to your huge list. Thank you. It comes indirectly from British
Intelligence [MI6], but it IS an accurate account of one person's
experience with "Project CRYSTAL KNIGHT."


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Re: "Chapter" 20

Postby ryguy » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:52 pm

3) In "3 of 5," I will now actually share with the world the extreme,
SICK lengths of those OPPOSED to the segmented release of the "Project
SERPO" material will go to DEbunk and railroad it into oblivion. During
a 3½-hr lunch meeting on 6-26-06, Bill Ryan and myself determined that
the e-mail I received on 6-21-06 claiming to be my ANONYMOUS was
[another] IMPOSTOR ANONYMOUS posing as my ORIGINAL source.

A day later, a state police investigator confirmed our suspicions and
then recently my ORIGINAL ANONYMOUS stated forcefully it was NOT from
any member of the DIA-6.

READ the original e-mail so you can all be E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-E-D-!
and learn the PROBABLE SOURCE of this HOAXED E-MAIL! VERY revealing!


He received another anonymous contact on 6/21? Was this public knowledge before now or is this just coming out now?

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Postby MikeJamieson » Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:01 pm

Hi. Here's the last part of the email. I wish I could answer the question
you pose, but I never really dived into the details of this story.

Part 5 of 5:

MODERATOR's FOOTNOTES:

I) "Project SERPO" Team Members:

102 - Team Commander
203 - Assistant Team Commander
225 - Team Pilot #1
308 - Team Pilot #2
420 - Linguist #1
475 - Linguist #2
518 - Biologist
633 - Scientist #1
661 - Scientist #2
700 - Doctor #1
754 - Doctor #2
899 - Security

II) The two (2) primary discrepancies I see between what this ANONYMOUS
source states and my original ANONYMOUS claimed between 11-1-05 –
12-21-05 is that 10 men and two (2) females went to the Eben homeworld
of SERPO AND that seven (7) returned, NOT eight as he originally claimed
to me.

He CHANGED his story because an anonymous poster wrote to Bill Ryan at
the SERPO.org Web site and detailed the death of Team Member #308
enroute to SERPO from a pulmonary embolism.

When I confronted ANONYMOUS with this contradictory information, he
conceded that it was TRUE and went on to explain to me in detail why I
he had misled me; I understood his reasons for doing so, and those
private e-mail exchanges between him and me in early Dec. 2005 are NOT
for public consumption ... at least for now and perhaps never.

To make that information available would jeopardize any future
disclosures from ANONYMOUS and I'll NOT compromise that ... SUBJECT
CLOSED.

The other discrepancy is the gender makeup: Did 12 males go?; did 10
males go + two (2) females?; did 2 (two) men and 10 females go or were
they all females who went?!

OBSERVATION: Let's NOT lose our focus of the OVERALL big picture here:
That the government of the United States of America sent 12 members of
the U.S. military to an alien homeworld to live, play, work and explore
for 13 years between 1965 - 1978 ... let's NOT get bogged down in the
minutiae!

USG insiders Gene Lakes and ANONYMOUS said it was a 10-2 (male-female)
makeup; Paul McGovern and Rick Doty and now this ex-MI6 member says it
was all 12 men who went ... who cares?! If anyone cares to argue and
debate this one point, write to my co-moderator and colleague Bill Ryan
... he just loves to argue nit-picky lunacy like this!

Contact@serpo.org

III) MI6: British Military Intelligence, Department 6 or the British
Secret Intelligence Service (SIS), is the United Kingdom's counterpart
organization of the CIA and responsible for foreign intelligence. The
SIS also had its origins in the Secret Service Bureau created in 1909.

The original designation was MO for Military Organization; it was
changed to MI for Military Intelligence in 1916: The principal MI
organizations were:

MI1 = Directorate of Military Intelligence

MI3 = European Country Section
MI5 = Security Service [originally Security Intelligence Service]

MI6 = Secret Intelligence Service
MI8 = Radio Security Service 1
MI9 = Escape and Evasion Service
MI11 = Field Security Police
MI14 = German Section
MI19 = Combined Services Detailed Interrogational Center

MI(L) = War Office Liaison with Allied Intelligence Services

NOTE: Not all of the above organizations were in existence at the same
time.

In the shadows where conspiracy theories thrive, there are many who see
MI6's portrayal in the "James Bond 007" films as a force for good as no
more than blatant propaganda. MI6, they feel, is an organization that is
secretly dedicated to achieving world domination.

There are many established examples of MI6 campaigning against a
politician or organization that it feels is too left wing or that does
not support the "special relationship" between Britain and America. The
most famous case is the removal/sudden resignation of Prime Minister
Harold Wilson from power in 1976.

INTERESTING FACT: Recently disclosed British government documents show
that there were plans to turn the United Kingdom into the 51st State of
the Union in America. Was the real reason MI6 chose to remove Harold
Wilson from office because he SCRAPPED these plans?!

Source: SPY BOOK: The ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ESPIONAGE – By Polmar and Allen,
Random House, 2nd ed., June © 2004, ISBN# 0375720251, $21.95, 719 pp.
/ Citation(s): pp. 414, 417

and

Source: CONSPIRACY FILES: PARANOIA, SECRECY, INTRIGUE – By Southwell
and Twist, Gramercy Books, June © 2004, ISBN# 0517224461, $12.99, 192
pp. / Citation: pp. 125-127

IV) DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY: As the brainchild of President John F
Kennedy and his secretary of defense, Robert S McNamara, the DIA was
established in 1961 as a military intelligence authority that would
provide independent information while circumventing the "turf" problems
arising from interservice rivalries.

Ultimately overseen by the Director of Central Intelligence [DCI] and
with a direct line to the president through the National Security
Adviser, the DIA is tasked witth coordinating and providing intelligence
support for operational forces at home and abroad. In addiition to the
support of operational forces, the DIA provides intelligence to Dept of
Defense policy makers, and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The headquarters of the agency is located at the Defense Intelligence
Analysis Center at Bolling Air Force Base in Washington DC [where all of
the thousands of "Project SERPO" photos are stored in large photo album
books].

The DIA's Russian counterpart, or parallel, organization is the Glavnoye
Razvedyvatelnoye Upravleniye, or GRU (Main [Chief] Intelligence
Administration).

Source for III and IV: ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
– By W Thomas Smith, Jr, Checkmark Books, June © 2003, ISBN#
0816046670, $19.95, 282 pp. / Citations: pp. 170 and 71

V) General CHARLES CABELL was fired by President Kennedy along with CIA
Director Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell for their involvement in the
Bay of Pigs fiasco. Cabell, whose brother Earle Cabell was the mayor of
Dallas at the time of the JFK Assassination, was head of clandestine
operations [CIA] for the Bay of Pigs while Bissell headed up the overall
operation.

General Cabell, as Deputy Director of the CIA, was fired by Kennedy on
1-31-62 while Dulles and Bissell were told that they would be fired in
May 1961. Kennedy fired Cabell because he assumed (incorrectly) that
Cabell had leaked classified information from a White House meeting to
the press.

INTERESTING FACTOID: General Cabell knew Clay Shaw [charged by New
Orleans DA Jim Garrison in the JFK Assassination] and once gave an
introductory speech at an event sponsored by Shaw in New Orleans.

Source: BLOODY TREASON: THE ASSASSINATION OF JOHN F KENNEDY – By Noel
H Twyman, Laurel Publishing, June © 1997, ISBN# 0965439909, $37.50,
910 pp. [I've read it TWICE ... GREAT book ... HIGHLY recommended!]

VI) Federal Pententiary at FORT LEAVENWORTH, Kansas: It was the first
federal penitentiary built at the end of the 19th Century. As shown in
modern-day cartoons, inmates from the Army stockade actually wore the
25-lb ball and chain, some claimed excessively.

Because of what happened in 1931, the U.S. Bureau of Prisons has had a
no-hostage for would-be escapees regardless of WHO they were holding.
This was prompted when seven (7) inmates showed up at the front gate of
Leavenworth Penitentiary brandishing several revolvers which had been
smuggled in and threatening to kill prison guard Oscar Dempsey. Instead,
the inmates seized Warden Thomas B White while Dempsey opened the front
gate for them to escape.

That was the LAST TIME such a successful hostage-for-freedom exchange
ever took place in a U.S. federal lockup.

INTERESTING FACT ABOUT SOLITARY CONFINEMENT: At Leavenworth, prison
isolation confinement in "The Hole" consisted of being flung into a
dark, windowless cell that was bare of any furnishings. A hole in the
floor functioned as a latrine. If a prisoner did not become
cooperative, rations would be cut so that one barely could stay alive.

Not all prisoners went into windlowless cells, but the cells took on the
name of "The Hole." Actually, solitary confinement was the punishment,
but at Leavenworth additional horrors took place because so many
convicts were sent to The Hole that two (2) to as many as five (5) were
confined in what was supposed to be a single-inmate cell.

Any Hole prisoner who continued to be a problem was put into a
"side-pocket" cell away from all other prisoners and virtually isolated.
There was a bed bolted to the wall, a toilet and a sink. As further
punlishment, if a prisoner still remained aggressive, guards were
permitted to "spread eagle" an inmate on the bunk in what was called a
"4-point position," with each limb chained to a corner.

Source: THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AMERICAN PRISONS – by Carl Sifakis,
Checkmark Books, June © 2003, ISBN# 0816050724, $21.95, 320 pp. /
Citations: pp. 36-37, 179, 246-247




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Postby ryguy » Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:24 pm

Ahh...just read it. They're just trying to frame & discredit realityuncovered.com. lol...this is classic:

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3 of 5:

Date: Wed, June 21, 2006, 10:30 p.m.

Subject: DISCLOSURE PROCEEDETH APACE

VICTOR: Disclosure proceedeth apace. The methods will be a little different. The struggle between The Six and the Opposition has forced a temporary delay. The debunkers accomplished nothing positive, but did slow the release of information. The response of the Internet public has been a shock to The Six.

The level of stupidity and venality is disheartening. This not a novel.
This is bits and pieces of information, several volumes full, released a piece at a time. Intelligent minds have to assemble the pieces and fill in a few of the blank spots. Victor was not fired nor was Bill. They did their jobs and have paid a price for it.

They are honored and will continue to be included as long as they wish to participate. Eight Returned. This was not an error. This was a shot across the bow of the Opposition by The Six. It was a signal that The Six stand ready to tell the Dark Story, which is what the Opposition does not want to happen.

The release of Serpo information poses no real threat in itself. No living politician or participant stands to lose by releasing that information now. The Serpo information would be sensational, but not destabilizing.

The Dark Story is terrifying and would destablilize. The Opposition believes it must be concealed. The Six want it all out. That is the reason for the struggle and why direct release of documents is currently
blocked.

– NIGHTHAWK

ANALYSIS FROM AN IP EXPERT FROM THE STATE POLICE IN THE STATE OF XXXXX,
U.S.A.

From: STATE POLICE OFFICER

Date: Tue, Jun 27, 2006, 12:05 a.m.

Hi VICTOR:

Here is some preliminary research that could help you. "Nomail.com"
which Nighthawk used is not valid, so a reply back would bounce.

There are other "NHawk" people posting messages on the Internet, including an individual who has done a lot of sci-fi posting, but this is likely due to the name or the influence of the sci-fi genre.

The author of the "disclosure" e-mail you received last week on 6-21-06
was writing from the Web site of: earth.dnstemplate.com at IP
67.15.54.14.

This Web site is blocked to the public, so if you go there, you will get an error message. The interesting thing is they rent Web space from the same company which provides Web space for realityuncovered.com at IP 67.15.8.53.

[REALITY UNCOVERED.com!]

Coincidence or not?! With the many thousands of Web service companies out there, this coincidence seems highly unusual.

The Web site for "dnstemplate.com" is registered to and under the
management or ownership of:

Marcin Ziarko
DNS Template
1901 60th Place, L4478
Bradenton, Florida 34203
U.S.
+1.2254100059
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Postby ryguy » Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:28 pm

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Uh-huh. The same could be said about your rap-sheet Victor.

Whether this is factual or a hoax, I have NO idea, but it rings TRUE; I'll leave that up to the crack team of researchers that Brendan Burton at the "Open Minds" forum has assembled to determine.


lol....sorry...I'm just having a blast posting the funniest parts of the posting.

I'm still waiting for the evidence from Victor that counters our evidence that Greatwaller was referred to him from his original anonymous.... I've got my public apology all written up and ready to post.

Oh yeah....that's just a "nitpicky" little detail. lol

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Postby ryguy » Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:25 pm

ryguy wrote:ANALYSIS FROM AN IP EXPERT FROM THE STATE POLICE IN THE STATE OF XXXXX,
U.S.A.

From: STATE POLICE OFFICER


Here's another difference between those who tell the truth, and those who don't.

When we provided information from a State Police officer, Doty's supervising officer in particular here, we provided his name: Capt. Pete Kassetas of the New Mexico State Police. Anyone can contact him and verify our claims as true and accurate.

When Victor provides information from a State police officer - he calls the person "State Police Officer" - and expects you to "trust him". lol

Carry on...this is certainly great entertainment.

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Postby Crakeur » Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:38 pm

interesting stuff. especially the part about how they have a different numbering system. Not sure how that works since one is one is one, no matter what the word for one might be.

What is also a bit funny is, since they have a different method for numbering things, why would we use numbers for the names of the serponauts? Were we trying to confuse our alien friends or were we simply f---- with them in some interstellar abbot and costello routine?
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Postby Shadow Watcher » Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:49 pm

God bless those brave 12 souls. There really should be a monument of some sort erected on their behalf. Oh Grearwaller if only you were here.

I cannot read anymore of their disclosure. It was funny for a while, but to see the machine gearing up again as if nothing happened, well it is shameless.
wondering what the next serpo will be in 07.
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Postby serponaut » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:19 pm

For your interest, there appears to be a relatively new story on the horizon which is building its own mometum.

VICTORIA, BC – EcceNova, a small, independent publishing house on the shores of Vancouver Island, BC, has recently acquired the manuscript of an eyewitness account pertaining to physical UFO sightings and telepathic ‘contact’.



The book, Eye to the Sky: A Paranormal Odyssey, by Paula Thorneycroft, recounts the author’s amazingly frequent and vivid interactions with both craft and extraterrestrial beings, but it is the footage she submitted to substantiate her manuscript that seems to have caused a stir already – and this has not even been released, yet.



Since signing contracts and discussing, superficially, the fact that the footage does appear to contain some very intriguing material none of us has seen the like of before, the author has had her entire photographic files and emails uploaded by at least one hacker, perhaps more. EcceNova has had particular telephone conversations ‘scrambled’ for no apparent reason, and an interview with the Editor on a well-known radio show was mysteriously “lost” immediately after being recorded.


You can find the site here http://www.eccenova.com/ThorneycroftES_News_Releases.htm and it also has a mention on Rense.

The other nteresting tidbit is that when visiting the eccenova site I noticed there is also an area for Project Serpo under the "interesting and related" section of the site, including updates as late as 5 days ago.

The information was again sent through a prominent e-mail stream group and posted verbatim on a well-known Web site, serpo.org.


Hmmm, I have heard many descriptions for Victor's list, but "prominent email stream" is a new one on me :D

I'll leave it to the reader to decide for themselves whether the author at eccenova, Mr Steve Hammons is sympathetic, skeptical or indifferent to the Serpo story. There are many "plugs" to Serpo.org

Steve Hammons is the author of two novels about a special joint-service research team, MISSION INTO LIGHT and the sequel LIGHT’S HAND. For more information, visit the homepage for the novels at:
www.navyseals.com/community/members/ohio52


Janet A Tyson, MA, (Editor) is the person writing the updates to the Eye to the Sky book and footage developments at Eccenova. She has also posted detials of her own paranormal experiences on the site.

It must be said that other paranormal articles and accounts are provided at this site, but I personally found the Serpo commentary, well interesting....... and to be totally honest I was first drawn to the site to examine this upcoming Eye to the Sky information and noticed the Serpo reference purely by chance.

Naturally the hype will build around Eye to the Sky as it unfolds, and I look forward to viewing the footage, but upon noticing the Serpo references, I felt it wise to apply my tin foil hat and RU bathrobe :D :D
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Postby serponaut » Tue Aug 29, 2006 12:20 pm

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Postby ryguy » Tue Aug 29, 2006 1:43 pm

serponaut wrote:Naturally the hype will build around Eye to the Sky as it unfolds, and I look forward to viewing the footage, but upon noticing the Serpo references, I felt it wise to apply my tin foil hat and RU bathrobe :D :D


Thanks serponaut! The fact that the author is Steve Hammons says a lot about the "accuracy" (lack thereof) of the report.

Thanks for the update - it'll be interesting to see if the same people are behind this new story. However if there is some good video footage, maybe it'll speak for itself. Or maybe it'll be another case where they just keep stringing people along with the "promise" of the footage.

We'll see - thanks for the update!

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