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Lies and misleading statements: Welcome to the world of OM

Postby Zep Tepi » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:53 pm

In this post, Richard Davis, aka JakeReason replies to release #9 posted here yesterday.

His post is dripping with very poor sarcasm, and the poor deluded fool holds a very high opinion of himself, thinking WE would employ his services in peer reviewing our work... :shock:

If you want to know how the revisionist operates read on:

The author (Mr. Ryan Dube / Ryguy) states that TC Seinu releases originate from Michigan State. And further plants a suggestion into the mind of the reader that a couple who live there are the authors of such releases.

This board (Open Minds) is the exclusive receiver of TC Seinu releases. We (Global Moderators) are the only people on the net who are qualified to make statements of fact regarding the origin of the emailed releases.


There we have major lie #1. No, not that they are qualified to make a statement of fact (OM + Statement of Fact = Oxymoron), but that OM are the exclusive receivers (what's wrong with word recipients?) of the TC Seinu releases.

Do you forget the emails TC sent to Shawnna and Steben? Of course you do, because that fact makes a mockery of the exclusivity of your claim!

However, we don't need to use those emails to prove our point. Your own moderator JeddyHi does that for us in your very own cosy mod forum.

« Reply #714 on May 11, 2006, 10:25pm »

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It's an alias. Tacitus is a shill.



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Not long after this, I myself posted the following:
I'm ready to post the info I have regarding Serpo, but I've just noticed something very interesting.

Ryan forwarded me an email that was sent to Shawnna and coming from a "John Doe" <jd90009@yahoo.co.uk>. This email also went to Steben and was another version of "The Clues" info.

I've just seen the email header that JeddyHi posted from "The Clues" hotmail address today.

They share the exact same IP address.

I know someone else in that part of the world too.


Spookily,
Zep


Right, so now we have two email addresses but both posting using the same IP address and regarding the same subject matter. Jakereason gleefully explains that the IP addresses however do not trace back to East Lansing, but to Washington State.

For several months we never thought to do a search of TC-Seinu’s IP location. We had believed ZepTepi & Ryguy’s word. It had never occurred to us that they would be in error on this. Ryan in his latest report has stated that ZepTepi is an IT genius. Although I can’t confirm ZepTepi’s IT experience, I can confirm that ALL TC-Seinu releases originate from Washington State. Over the past two days our Global Moderator team has been discussing this at length, and on behalf of Open Minds forums I confirm that ALL IP traces of ALL emails from TC-Seinu come from Washington State.



To be more specific, they actually trace back to Spokane, Washington State. I read that and thought, eh? what are they playing at now? I did another check and sure enough they now trace back to Washington State and not East Lansing as they did in May this year. So what Mr. Reason is now doing is implying that I am either a) a liar or b) not very good at IP tracing. Now, I know that IP addresses are re-allocated and swapped around all of the time. I also know however that this particular explanation will fill OM's hearts with further joy because it would appear that something we have said is not actually correct or factual.

Expecting that reaction, I contacted Comcast Technical Support and outlined the apparent discrepancy of the search in May and the search now. Their (prompt) reply is posted below verbatim:
Dear Stephen,

If it is a Comcast IP address you are checking, then it is absolutely possible for it to have shifted locations. Because Comcast IPs are dynamic, they can change at any time, and even be re-located across the country. Unfortunately, because of these changes, there is no way to check where an IP has previously been, or to whom it was previously assigned.

I do apologize that I was not able to offer you more specific information on how to trace the previous holder of the IP address.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any more questions.


Thank you for contacting Comcast.

Sincerely,

Ashley M.
Comcast Customer Care Specialist


For anyone who still doubts our integrity, you can check with Comcast yourself by emailing them at Online Ecare [online_ecare@cable.comcast.com]. I'll say it again just so there can be no ambiguity. In May of this year (and after a further check in June), the "Clues" IP address traced to East Lansing, Michigan. Now it doesn't. So what? Most people who know how networks and ISP's function will have no trouble recognising the reason for the apparent discrepancy. For those that don't, the Comcast email should help you understand how this can happen - that goes for the guys at OM too.

Now for something that most eagle-eyed readers will have already picked up on. I will quote the relevant snippet here:
So - talking with ivo5000 & Zep a couple nights ago in the chat room here, we went over the fact that The (TC-Seinu) email traces to Michigan, and ivo5000, realized the location is very close to *****, where Kit Green works.


Yes, Ivo also did a trace on the email and found that it traced to East Lansing, Michigan. Isn't it funny how he now seems to have forgotten this little fact? Not funny no, it is dishonest.

Here is a reminder for Mr. Iversen:
Re: stuff
« Reply #898 on May 15, 2006, 4:03pm »

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May 15, 2006, 3:33pm, zeptepi wrote:
May 15, 2006, 3:14pm, admin wrote: can someone say who they think the last the_clues email came from? Please?



My own personal opinion based on the personalities involved in all of this and on where the IP originated: Kit Green.

Cheers,
Zep



I agree with Zep on this. The IP is from Lansing, Michigan which is very close (90 miles) to where Kit Green works at Wayne State University in Detroit.


If that isn't clear enough regarding the issue of East lansing, here is a screenshot of the actual post above by Ivo. Double click the picture to see full size) Image

Jakereason then lies yet again when he said the following:
Insert- Both Admin & I found this reasoning rather unusual and further believed with complete confidence that TC could not have been Dr. Green, so we responded with sarcasm]

Admin – May 15th.
"bippety-bobbity-boo"


What admin was actually referring to was this post directly above his comment:
Re: stuff
« Reply #911 on May 15, 2006, 5:43pm »

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All I know, especially where Kit Green is concerned, is the ability to "think outside of the box" is very important. Very important indeed. We don't know what is going on, but whatever it is it is likely to be something we haven't yet imagined. Possibly.

BTW, I mentioned this to Chris last night on the phone, regarding the name Sylvester McCoglin. Someone posted a very tenuous link on the main forum about Kalamazoo. I'll have to go back and re-read it, but Kalamazoo is in Michigan also, right?

I asked in here a few pages ago if anyone could work out what Sylvester McCoglin may be referring to, but no one bit lol.

Here's my take on it:

Sylvester was a cat. Another word for cat?
McCoglin is an Irish name (I think). What comes into your mind when you think of Ireland?

Put it together and what have you got?

Cheers,
Zep


See how Jakereason likes to twist and turn in his posts? The guy is so transparent he must be made of glass.
Btw, another name for Cat = Kitty. Ireland = Green... ;)

As most people are now well aware, we no longer think Kit is involved in the Serpo hoax. That's what happens when new data becomes available, you re-evaluate and move on. The "name game" is quite intriguing though ;)

One other thing in closing. The Ip now tracing back to Spokane Washington is not unusual in the slightest. The OM guys may appear to be suggesting that TC comes from there. No dice. Spokane is where Comcast have their administration facilities, as well as a number of other operations. View the link here:

The rest of JR's post continues with the same outright lies and distorting of facts. Have no doubt I will respond to those in the morning :)

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Postby ryguy » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:42 pm

Another home run Zep - nice work...

Another point I noticed is he tried to repeat the lie that Victor told - that the Greatwaller referral came from "imposter" anonymous. As we've already proven, there was no such sent email from imposter anonymous to Victor - the referral was from the original anonymous. I offered to post a full apology to both Victor and to the OM forum, posted on our website, should Victor ever forward such an email from "imposter anon" to prove his claim. Of course - he never answered the challenge - because his claim was yet another lie to cover up the truth.

I'd love to see you and JR head to head in a debate forum. Shall we set one up? lol...

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Postby Zep Tepi » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:22 pm

Cheers Ry, although JR's post still has a lot of nonsense that needs attending to. JeddyHi has also made a few ill thought-out comments regarding Washington State and Ivo via email. These people really should check their facts you know, especially where "Spokane" is concerned. They think they know all of the answers but the sad thing is they really haven't got a clue.

Apparently, I'm a teacher now too! Can you believe that? Apparently I taught Ivo how to check Reverse DNS entries. Cool huh?

Don't they realise it is pretty obvious to people on the outside looking in exactly what kind of game they are playing? I don't think they do, you know.

I intended to reply to the rest of that post today, but as you can see by the photo below, I have other, more pressing matters to attend to.

Joyriders, don't you just HATE them! :evil:

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Postby ryguy » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:56 pm

Take care of business Zep,

They're useful idiots - the key word is idiots. When it comes to defending against solid evidence, the idiots are no longer very useful.

Let them make their weak attempts to counter whatever they think they can counter. But I will be expecting a thank-you note from Bren for finally giving them something to talk about. lol

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Postby MarshallMattDharma » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:11 pm

Taking a look at that car, and factoring in GW's important disclosure
of you being an intelligence operative (MI6, no doubt), it saddens me
to see that you are not as well as equipped as 007 in the car department.

You should at the very least have remote controlled ejection seats
to deal with the contigency of joy riders.
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Postby ryguy » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:27 pm

MarshallMattDharma wrote:Taking a look at that car, and factoring in GW's important disclosure
of you being an intelligence operative (MI6, no doubt), it saddens me
to see that you are not as well as equipped as 007 in the car department.

You should at the very least have remote controlled ejection seats
to deal with the contigency of joy riders.


Yes Zep...you need a pair of those cool OSP's, like I have - to set the joyriders off on a different direction. That stands for Oil Slick Pack...for all of you "civilians".

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