The following information comes from the ATS website. The thread was started by sdrumrunner and is followed by Byrd's series of writings: Go HERE
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Preface: May I suggest the following to start: by sdrumrunner from ATS
posted on 2-2-2006 at 08:04 PM (post id: 1987495) - single
May I suggest the following to start:
1. Contradictory information regarding the numbers of team members. Team member 102 cannot be the Team Leader if the Team Leader states, with regards to 102, "he is sitting right next to me."
2. Logisitcal Issue: "As for food, the team brought C-rations, military style. They carefully planned for 10 years." I have mathematically demonstrated here how this is impossible.
Note: There are many instances of anomalous data which while theoretically possible are highly improbabale.
EDIT: To change "almost certainly false" to "highly improbabale."
[edit on 2-2-2006 by sdrumrunner]
1. Ebens, teams, and planetary science by Byrd
Dankk wrote:Byrd now steps in out of disgust and finally reveals her thoughts on the Serpo “story.” This is quite an eye opening read for those of you that aren’t afraid of facts. Would this ever be posted at the OM forum? That was of course rhetorical as it obviously answered itself when I mentioned the forum letters. For the new readers or info seekers here is your answer if you are unsure: Nope. Not then, not now, not ever.
a SuperModerator from ATS*
Dankk wrote:*the name Byrd before all of these entries implies that Byrd is the same person from the same forum writing on the same subject. The subject matter that is written about here is the story of Serpo and its many many flaws. Get your fill at Serpo.org run by Bill ryan.
posted on 9-2-2006 at 06:03 PM (post id: 2004455) - single
Ebens, teams, and planetary science
Now that I've found this thread, I'm going to add various pieces to it. I'd held off responding in the thread after a few snarks about skeptics like myself. However, since this appears to be an appropriate place, allow me to start in on the lunacy.
One of my favorite bits was the attempt at planetary geology:
quote: Our Team contained two geologists (they were also cross-trained as biologists). The first thing our geologists did was map the entire planet. The first step was to divide the planet in half, thus creating an Equator. Then they established a Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere. Within each hemisphere, they created four quadrants.
Anonymous, as is typical with UFO hoaxers, can't make up his mind if he's dealing with a galactic civilization or not. Ebens apparently don't have a way of telling "this is the middle of the planet" and "this is the equator" and can't manage to divide the resulting spheroid into two or four pieces...
...although they do have spherical fruit (as one of the hoaxers posts in a description about what they ate.) Apparently Ebens aren't sophisitcated enough to go from "we can divide this fruit into sections" to "we can divide the planet into sections" although they somehow manage to walk downstairs without tripping and manage to get from Eben to Earth repeatedly without running into Mars or the asteroid belt.
They even have dealings with other aliens (who visit them, as the Incident In The Mess Hall showed) -- and somehow, even those aliens never took them aside and said, "Look, Eebie -- I got this great invention I wanna sell you. It's called a map, y'see? And you and me, we can make money from it by selling it to your starship pilots. Lemme show you how it works...."
No, according to Anony-Hoaxer's account, the entire galaxy has been languishing in the dark, unable to turn those nifty photos of their home planets into usable maps or even understand what they mean, waiting for the time when we humans would show up and say to the galaxy, "Hey dudes! I got this concept for you! It's called an atlas and we can use it to show your pilots and people how to get from Point A to Point B. We can make money from it! Here -- let me show you how it works...."
So you heard it here, first, folks. As soon as the government announces we've found aliens, start buying stock in Mapsco Maps. The dough's gonna roll in as soon as the aliens find out there's a device that shows them how to go from Dallas to Chicago without having to travel through Lubbock during the West Texas sandstorm season.
[edit on 12-2-2006 by Byrd]2. "Lost in Space" Military Culture Byrd
posted on 9-2-2006 at 06:09 PM (post id: 2004465) - single
"Lost in Space" Military Culture
If you watch scifi films of the 50's and 60's, you'll notice that it's full of teams who go off to other worlds. New planet? Sure! We'll all run away on a 10 year mission!
AnonymousHoaxer knows he'll get called on it if he says these are military personnel on a secret mission, so he proposes that they took people (orphans) who have no ties to anyone and who can be conveniently erased... no parents, no family, etc. Judging from the number of "secret missions" reported in the UFO community with team members composed of exactly this kind of person, there must be some sort of factory that turns out "scientists who are orphans and military members with no ties to anyone."
In the military, you're part of an organization. You have a place and a name in a structure. He's asking us to believe that military officers who are ALSO scientists and working on projects with other scientists can suddenly be plucked out of a division or company and nobody ever notices. A top-class scientist can't just "disappear" and be "sheep dipped" and expunged from every single record there is.
Because they weren't tagged from birth to be "top secret undercover people," there will be high school yearbook photos, college yearbook photos (these are scientists; they went to universities), papers, publications -- if they're good scientists of any caliber then they will have presented papers at symposia (as I did.) You can't go back, track down EVERY single yearbook and publication and club membership list and newspaper announcement and erase it. There is no way to identify every single human (and library and archive) that obtained documents like that and to go in and erase them.
People would notice if you sneaked into their houses some dark night and cut out photos from the yearbook and scrubbed signatures of "To Ronnie, best love from future genius Mimi."
On a professional level, you can't erase them because too many people will have written papers with them. In order to be a scientist of that caliber, you have to have done a lot of research. Research leaves a lot of tracks and you cross paths and interact with a lot of others. The bulk of published research has not one, but normally at least three authors and oftentimes more than that. If that document gets published (in an annals or archive), they contact you.
Now... another important point deals with human psychology. Isloating a very small group of people (in a spaceship to Eben for 9+ months) for a long period of time has very negative impact on mental health. The Navy's done a lot of studies on this, and every submariner (like my son) knows how bad it is to be isolated on a small boat (with a lot more people than were on the "Trip to Eben") for 6 months with no ports of call.
It's not quite as bad if you're on a large ship with other people to talk to. But we are presented with a small group (10 or 12), and the possibility of at least five of them being aggressive people is very strong (pilots have strong personalities, security guards don't stand down for much of anyone, and into that we throw a leader-type.)
Once they get to Eben, they will be there with no sexual partners except each other for a period of 10 years. While it's vaguely possible that they might be naturally asexual or they might be homosexual, I don't see 'top gun" pilots suddenly vowing to go without sex for 10 years (the characteristics that make an ace pilot really are associated with a LOT of testosterone.)
In any "Lost in Space" episode -- as with the Serpo Hoax -- people of any stripe can just hop on a ship and speed off for 10 months or 10 years (neatly covered by a commercial break or a scene shift) and there are no social and emotional effects and no one gets into any verbal brawls and no violence occurs between the people interacting with each other, even if there's only one or two available mates for the males of the group.
[edit on 12-2-2006 by Byrd]3. Stupid Astronomy 101 Byrd
posted on 9-2-2006 at 06:12 PM (post id: 2004469) - single
Stupid Astronomy 101
I know that the first thing that people leaped on was the incredibly lame astronomy that sounded as though it came from an episode of the early "Lost In Space." For those of you who missed the critique, here's a basic review:
Let's quote directly, here:
Statistics on the Eben planet was collected by our team. Here is the pertinent data for your UFO thread list:
Diameter: 7,218 miles
Mass: 5.06 x 1024
Distance from Sun #1: 96.5 million miles
Sun #2: 91.4 million miles
Surface gravity: 9.60m/s2
Rotation Periods: 43 hours
Orbit: 865 days
Tilt: 43 degrees
Temperature: Min: 43° / Max: 126°
Distance from Earth: 38.43 light years
Planet named by Team: SERPO
Nearest planet to SERPO: Named: OTTO
88 million miles (colonized by Ebens with research base, but no natural inhabitants on planet)
Number of planets in Eben Solar System: Six
Nearest inhabited planet to SERPO: Named: SILUS (SILUS is made up of creatures of various types, but no intelligent life forms. Ebens use the planet to mine minerals.) Distance: 434 million miles
Let's go through it by the numbers. According to Anonymous, the planet Eben is about midway between two suns that are nearly the same mass as our sun:
sun * <-- 96 million miles -- > Eben <-- 93 million miles --> * sun 2
Let's put this in terms of our own solar system... he's saying that we've got the sun and then oribiting the sun is a second sun that's about the same size as the sun and is parked just a little outside where the orbit of our Mars is.
With the same mass.
Exerting the same size gravitational pull on the planet.
And yet the planet continues to orbit one sun (not the other, and isn't pulled apart by gravitational forces.)
To try this one for yourself, get a ball (any sort) and attach two pieces of elastic thread to it that represent the pull of each sun's gravitational force. Now... by pushing or pulling on the ball, get the planet to orbit ONE sun (but not the other.)
And no, the second sun can't pretend to be Jupiter and orbit the first sun. Because they're about the same size, they would rotate about a central point... which coincidentally happens to be about the location of "Eben."
Now, what "Serpo Hoaxer" doesn't know is that binaries that close will have accretion interaction in the form of a wind from one star to another (think: intense solar flares): http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect ... eting.html
So we've got two stars and a planet between, and hot solar gases are flowing from one star to the other.
And he's telling us that the planet is "Earthlike" and "slightly higher radiation". I don't know that a constant stream of solar flares hitting the planet would constitute "slightly higher radiation." "Cooked to a crisp" is a bit more accurate.
Not to mention the huge tidal forces from both stars, pulling in opposite directions on the planet. There's also two moons with their tidal forces... and the planet is miraculously radiation free and earthquake free.
Well, that's likely for an episode of "Lost In Space."
There's some discussion of the mathematics in the "comments" section on the original Serpo website. In the end, the only way that Anony-Hoaxer can answer these points is to try and claim that physics suddenly works differently in just that one tiny corner of the universe.
It's a lame excuse, used by other UFO hoaxers to try and cover up their blunders. It didn't work in the past, but this doesn't prevent Anony-Hoaxer from hauling it out of its grave and waving it in front of us in the desperate hope that we will suddenly believe him.
[edit on 12-2-2006 by Byrd]
edit : edited to reflect proper gender for Byrd from the ATS website