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Postby Access Denied » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:08 pm

wetsystems wrote:But one thing I'm certainly not wrong about is my belief that you were off taking a leek when they were passing out the humor genes.

It (your "sense of humor") does take some err... getting used to. :)

The name calling needs to stop though and I've already asked you once.

Please stay on topic. (both of you)
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Postby wetsystems » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:12 pm

Access Denied wrote:
wetsystems wrote:But one thing I'm certainly not wrong about is my belief that you were off taking a leek when they were passing out the humor genes.

It (your "sense of humor") does take some err... getting used to. :)

The name calling needs to stop though and I've already asked you once.

Please stay on topic. (both of you)


hahahahahaahaha! ok. last one. couldn't resist!
And I should remark that I am saving my insults for Toon for "just the right time" when I will strike at his soft, white underbelly for maximum damage and humiliation. Ray Hudson 2007
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Postby Access Denied » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:50 pm

ryguy wrote:I'm going to be taking a break from this research for a while. I'll still be lurking, and of course talking to Steve often, but I need to "retire" from all of this craziness for a while and focus on the things that matter most.

[sage nod]

From your sig...

"You dance with the devil the devil don't change, the devil changes you."

The good news is declining the next dance changes you back.

Take care of you and yours Ryan. I'd be lying if I said I won't miss your posts... RU won't be the same without you but I believe the reality of what you and Steve have uncovered can’t be denied.

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Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:01 pm

ScaRZ wrote:In my opinion calling people names adds nothing to the conversation. All it really does is cause division. It's much better to just let the words remain silent on the keyboard.


Thank you, ScaRZ. I agree, and I seem to believe that there are others who read and participate here who would also agree.

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Toon, you're a knobhead wanker


Admin, 2006


It might be interesting and instructive to also examine the context of how this came about. I have a sneaking suspicion that by the time this insult was hurled by Admin, Toon had already thrown some of his own insults at someone else, if not Admin. It is usually when Toon starts belittling others that others decide they are not going to put up with his belittling, and begin to strike back.

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Postby wetsystems » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:59 pm

I believe the remark that bent Bren's nose out of joint was this one
what is wrong with you people? the entire serpo affair is total bullcrap. rick doty is an amoral clown. admin is a shill for victor martinez. the purpose of this entire deception is to create an l. ron hubbard style cult based on a gaggle of weak-willed idiots.
4/26/6

All proved true thanks to Steve, Ryan and Shawnna- and of course Tacitus Monroe; and I'd like to think I also played a minor role in the destruction of Serpo. But to the above quote I should have added this: Once the ETH is in the hands and mouths and keyboards of that "gaggle of idiots" any further serious examination of Roswell, the holy grail of the cover-up, becomes a fatuous and patently ridiculous exercise. That is the entire raison d'etre for the 'billion dollar operation' famously alluded to here by Kit Green. Brad Sparks is about to address this very subject. He's had his Damascus moment. Stay tooned, kids.

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From: Anthony Bragalia <snipped>
To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:01:28 -0400
Subject: Brad Sparks 'Forthcoming' Roswell Revelations?


Brad Sparks MUFON Symposium Proceedings paper on MJ-12 hints at
tantalizing and potentially very valuable new Roswell
information. He is very brief in these revelations, which could
easily go unnoticed without careful reading. Perhaps Brad may
speak more directly to them here. To my knowledge this
information has never been mentioned or published by any other
researcher.

Mr. Sparks states:

"I must admit from my highly skeptical research that in 1949
AFOSI was almost certainly responding to Roswell - for very
compelling reasons I cannot get into here. There is in fact some
weak, circumstantial evidence suggesting that it was a classic
Roswell coverup."

Where can we learn more about this revelation that AFOSI was
"responding to Roswell" in 1949? In what way were they
"responding" and why in 1949?

Also in the Proceedings is this Sparks nugget:

"In 2000 while doing non-UFO-related research, Brad accidentally
discovered the TOP SECRET U.S. government policy response to
Roswell, which should not exist if Roswell was essentially a
non-event. Brad is actively investigating this disturbing
discovery."

Can you tell us more about this "policy response" discovery you
have made and why it is so disturbing?

With the torrent of new Roswell revelations made this year,
perhaps Brad would be willing to share his new information. And
perhaps it will add to the evidence that Roswell was in fact an
extraterrestrial event.
And I should remark that I am saving my insults for Toon for "just the right time" when I will strike at his soft, white underbelly for maximum damage and humiliation. Ray Hudson 2007
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Postby wetsystems » Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:20 am

And this received from Brad today:

From: Brad Sparks <RB47x@aol.com>
To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:19:31 EDT
Subject: Re: Brad Sparks' 'Forthcoming' Roswell Revelations?


>From: Anthony Bragalia <envcol@mindspring.com>
>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
>Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:01:28 -0400
>Subject: Brad Sparks 'Forthcoming' Roswell Revelations?

>Brad Sparks MUFON Symposium Proceedings paper on MJ-12
>hints at tantalizing and potentially very valuable new Roswell
>information. He is very brief in these revelations, which could
>easily go unnoticed without careful reading. Perhaps Brad may
>speak more directly to them here. To my knowledge this
>information has never been mentioned or published by any other
>researcher.

I think that is correct, no other researcher has ever mentioned
or published anything like this. The skeptics will not tolerate
anything but a Mogul balloon. Roswell proponents will not
tolerate anything less than alien bodies and crashed spaceship.
Even something like "possibly extraterrestrial" is not good
enough for them. It can be right in front of their eyes and they
cannot see it.

Anything in between a Mogul balloon and an ET spacecraft is
completely invisible to skeptics and advocates alike, they
cannot see any evidence that falls in between even if they
should happen to come across it (as a few have), they will not
look for such evidence, and with virtually no exceptions they
will not help anyone else (such as me) look for such "in
between" evidence.

>Mr. Sparks states:

>"I must admit from my highly skeptical research that in 1949
>AFOSI was almost certainly responding to Roswell - for very
>compelling reasons I cannot get into here. There is in fact some
>weak, circumstantial evidence suggesting that it was a classic
>Roswell coverup."

>Where can we learn more about this revelation that AFOSI was
>"responding to Roswell" in 1949? In what way were they
>"responding" and why in 1949?

It may go back to 1947, before AFOSI was even established,
but the evidence becomes clearer in 1949. It is one small aspect
of the TOP SECRET U.S. government policy response to
Roswell, namely the coverup.
It is part of my ongoing
investigation mentioned in the quote below. I tried for 6 years
to get help for my research but not until this year did I get the
help I needed.

>Also in the Proceedings is this Sparks nugget:

>"In 2000 while doing non-UFO-related research, Brad accidentally
>discovered the TOP SECRET U.S. government policy response to
>Roswell, which should not exist if Roswell was essentially a
>non-event. Brad is actively investigating this disturbing
>discovery."

>Can you tell us more about this "policy response" discovery you
>have made and why it is so disturbing?

It is an ongoing investigation that has really only been able to
get under way this year because no one wanted to support it. I
can't compromise the research by going into it here.

It is disturbing because I had thought of Roswell as a nothing
event, and because the idea the US Government took it so gravely
serious should be a disturbing revelation. One of our own
balloons (Mogul or otherwise) would not trigger any response at
all because it's one of ours.


>With the torrent of new Roswell revelations made this year,
>perhaps Brad would be willing to share his new information. And
>perhaps it will add to the evidence that Roswell was in fact an
>extraterrestrial event.

These "revelations" are just more of same, nothing much
different than what we had in 1980, everything dead-ends in
Roswell, New Mexico. The AF must be very happy that everything
dead-ends in Roswell and goes no farther. The few reports from
aerial bus drivers who should not be clued in on national
secrets in the first place go no nowhere as well.


(emphasis added)
And I should remark that I am saving my insults for Toon for "just the right time" when I will strike at his soft, white underbelly for maximum damage and humiliation. Ray Hudson 2007
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Postby ryguy » Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:51 am

Access Denied wrote:From your sig...

"You dance with the devil the devil don't change, the devil changes you."

The good news is declining the next dance changes you back.


Thanks for your kind words AD. However - the one I dance with, the devil doesn't like very much. I'm afraid I might have given the wrong impression. The reason I don't personally want to publish this isn't because it isn't true - but when the propaganda engine starts revving up before the starting gun has even gone off - you know the race is rigged. Best to get off the track.

Take care of you and yours Ryan. I'd be lying if I said I won't miss your posts... RU won't be the same without you but I believe the reality of what you and Steve have uncovered can’t be denied.


Thanks AD - I'm still here, just watching.

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Postby wetsystems » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:05 pm

Albeit for different reasons, I'm following Ryan to the bench. I think that all the tedious arguments I've been engaged in here are perhaps costing the forum readership. And since I believe that this forum is an important forum I don't want to be responsible for that. My main thrust of late has been to out the inclination of a few here towards what I consider to be 'gratuitous debunkery.' On the other hand it's my firm conviction that these debunkers are doing a fine job of outing themselves at this point. So for those reasons I'm hereby in lurk-mode.

Over and out.

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Postby ryguy » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:53 am

George wrote: The Yellow Book information certainly offers up plenty of food for thought. Here we are some 20 years later still discussing the merits of this intriguing tale. If the Yellow Book information is nothing more than the product of an highly active imagination, why does it continue to hold us in its grip? What is the secret of its stamina?


George - I would be especially interested in your answers to those questions, if you would be so kind as to enlighten us.

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Postby I.P.Freely » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:19 am

wetsystems wrote:Albeit for different reasons, I'm following Ryan to the bench. I think that all the tedious arguments I've been engaged in here are perhaps costing the forum readership. And since I believe that this forum is an important forum I don't want to be responsible for that. My main thrust of late has been to out the inclination of a few here towards what I consider to be 'gratuitous debunkery.' On the other hand it's my firm conviction that these debunkers are doing a fine job of outing themselves at this point. So for those reasons I'm hereby in lurk-mode.

Over and out.

Wetsystems


Should we start a pool to see how long toon can last?
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Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:53 pm

I.P.Freely wrote:Should we start a pool to see how long toon can last?


My put is that the real reason he stopped is because he saw his doom and gloom "countdown" for the stock market was bunk, and that he couldn't tick off the final day in his "D-minus-1" countdown. He'll pick that up whenever things next look gloomy, so he can continue his assault on anyone who thinks or acts differently than his ideal.

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Postby Zep Tepi » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:11 pm

ryguy wrote:This may mean that the anticipated report doesn't get published, or if it does, it'll be from Steve and may take some time. It won't cover anything I've hinted at over the past week.


It will definitely be published, you can take that to the bank!

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Postby George » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:30 pm

ryguy wrote:
George wrote: The Yellow Book information certainly offers up plenty of food for thought. Here we are some 20 years later still discussing the merits of this intriguing tale. If the Yellow Book information is nothing more than the product of an highly active imagination, why does it continue to hold us in its grip? What is the secret of its stamina?


George - I would be especially interested in your answers to those questions, if you would be so kind as to enlighten us.

-Ry


Certainly, Ryan.
I'm afraid my answer may not cause you enlightenment, but it is the truth as I see it.

FAITH

Not faith in the traditional sense, that patently makes no sense. Faith that there is something else out there, in the cosmos. Faith, Hope, Desire.

We can't bear the thought of being ALONE.
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Am I correct in thinking that your hiatus has now ended?

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Postby ryguy » Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:19 pm

George wrote:Not faith in the traditional sense, that patently makes no sense. Faith that there is something else out there, in the cosmos. Faith, Hope, Desire.

We can't bear the thought of being ALONE.
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Am I correct in thinking that your hiatus has now ended?


You aren't correct in assuming anything about me anymore.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-10


Anonymous and his friends have been deceived.

-Ry


"Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me...

"Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.

Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!

... On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone -- while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

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Tell me, if you know all this.

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And where does darkness reside?

Do you know the paths to their dwellings? Surely you know, for you were already born!

You have lived so many years!

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Does the eagle soar at your command...?

"Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?

Let him who accuses God answer him!


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Postby George » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:22 pm

ryguy wrote:
George wrote:Am I correct in thinking that your hiatus has now ended?


You aren't correct in assuming anything about me anymore.


My [incorrect?] assumption was based on your own words previously in this thread. You have deleted your posts and stated your intention of leaving the arena. And yet you continue to post in this thread :?

Are you leaving, or not...?

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