Hi All,
Fairly frequent visitor to this site but not really a great forum participator - I think that as I've ended up [by default] in the Uk Exopolitics camp I'll add a few thoughts here.
MikeJamieson wrote:I think basicly all these leading exopoliticians are definitely
sincere. (Which is why I have posted here that I think it's
AOK for Salla and Gilliland and the others to make a decent
living from it. Many of them are still struggling with the basics
on the business side of things.)
Mike I am aware of ORTK - it was linked up until recently from the resources section of Exopolitics UK. From memory Mr Salla still has the link listed.
This idea that there are decent livings to be made in the broader areas of exopolitics or U-fool-ogy is a misnomer I think. As you say most are struggling - Steve Bassett just got a funding boost but prior to this was in substantial debt from his political action and X-Con events. Salla is offering courses and affiliations for fees - but I doubt whether this pulls in much in the way of decent funding.
I found Salla's absorption of every statement
and assertion (re: UFOs) as (from his point of view) being credible
(whether it came from known con men or known psychotics) to be
something that I could never align myself with in any shape or form.
Salla gets most of the flack in this field. I can understand some of this but also it's worth possibly replacing the flack with a little slack when you consider the sheer volume of work and networking that the guy has done in the last year or two. The point is he isn't a UFOlogist in the old sense - I think he would agree that he's simply trying to get a 'meta' angle on the whole post war situation with regards the human/alien interface - an
angle that I don't think is significantly distorted by allowing through the occasional flawed case. After all - looking back historically at the UFOlogical efforts of the last decade we have
much circular debate and no real context for the issue - or at least not one that's particularly useful at this late stage in history.
At least exopolitics is providing some sort of map of the complex, compartmentalised terrain that's pretty difficult, in reality - to uncover. [note the stunning pun there.]
In ORTK's beginning days, I thought all the crash/retrieval stories
and the MJ-12 notion were all real. But, by the late 90s I was very
doubtful of that (due to deeper examination). When the Board of
ORTK disbanded (I was the last Director), I thought ORTK had lost
its focus from its primary statement of purpose (stated above).
People were making assertions about government coverups, and
about the nature of the "aliens" themselves.
Indeed but this is/was also a part of UFOlogy and to an extent will be present when dealing with this issue due to its implicit nature. The common claim that 'exopolitics claims to know all the answers' is simply absurd and is a misreading of what is still a fairly open and organic sphere of influence. What exopolitics does do is create useful and fairly
consensus belief structures via which a degree of engagement can take place.
Unlike maybe ORTK and the methodologies put forward by some of the leading people in the Exo field - I think
the current definitions of 'disclosure' and 'activism' and even the politics term itself is way too narrow. We're passed the stage of the 1960s activist models - there are other ways to crack this nut - or continue chipping at it anyway. The net and new media networks have shifted the game - as have mass sightings in areas like Mexico, the latter is of course a
direct, unmediated disclosure all of its own.
The exopolitical movement isn't going anywhere significant, imo.
All you have to do is look at the severe psychiatric pathologies exhibited
on a daily basis at Michael's yahoo group. Basicly, I would say
a full 75% of the members there are plain nuts.
I agree - i've subbed to that list for a while and only looked at it once for the reasons you give - it's rarely useful information.
But again - as I've said elsewhere - in this field you expect a degree of this sort of thing. We're dealing with
true weirdness whether in the "alien" issue or in the much discussed here military/intel networks isssue. When dealing with compartmentalised, off-whirrled, prankster-loving 'otherness' - this is just what you get. If you don't like the occasional nutter and suspended belief processes and reasoning then you are in the wrong game.
If there is an alien presence here (and I think there is), it remaining
in the background just seems to be part of the natural order of things.
Let them be. They're clearly not harming us. It is us we have to worry
about.
But it's not that simple. This is a dialogue precisely because there is engagement by this intelligence at various levels - whether that is via the military intel networks or via contactees it's already going on and needs careful steering to avoid continued monopolisation of the phenomena by what appear to be black-hatted cabals. This is
primarily a human rights issue - as Larry Warren rightly states.
The exopoliticians sticking their noses into politics, at this stage of
the game, is merely a source for comedy. I know that must be painful
to hear, because these people are mostly sincere believers. I say
"Thank God" they have no real impact in the "real" world of politics.
For example, if they have their way, we would be letting the Chinese
assume sole military superiority in space and on the moon.
Not prudent.
This is just bunk and not worth a response.
Stephen Bassett, btw, is a secularist in this movement. Michael Salla
is a religious missionary in this movement. I can see these varying
"parties" and factions solidifying over time into competing with each other.
And yet isn't it strange that both get along fine - as is the case with much of the
rapidly expanding exo movement?!? For the first time in the wider UFO field we have the possibility of some coherence and vision who are actually moving the agenda forward.
My take is forget the idea that exopolitics is *solely* about lobbing parliament or the Whitehouse... it's simply one minor pathway in a far wider agenda at play.
And as Terence McKenna said - "...and not a moment too soon".
Best, davID
Exopolitics UK
