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Exopoliticians reaching out to Presidential candidates.

Postby MikeJamieson » Mon May 21, 2007 3:43 am

The quote below is a notice I saw posted by "exopolitics" at Salla's
yahoo group (which I started perusing yesterday). I guess these folks
who have deeply incorporated the Mythology of MJ-12 and crashed UFOs
will be lobbying Presidential candidates for their support for "disclosure"
of UFO secrets the government itself is (in reality) not in possession of.
I post here only an excerpt of the notice for this conference. If you go to
Salla's yahoo group, or Stephen Bassett's website page on this, you'll see
more (including an open letter to Al Gore some months ago, on the eve
of his appearance at the Academy Awards). BTW, in that letter to Gore, there
are two glaring errors: Jimmy Carter doesn't believe aliens are here and
John Podesta likewise is not a believer. (At best, he's an agnostic who
is curious about the subject.)........I hope Hillary accepts the invite to
speak, btw. I can't wait to hear her alien accent!


The next two X-Conferences have been scheduled during the
heart of the presidential campaign. As in 2004 they will
be designed to impact the election process and the candidates
seeking the highest office in the land.

PRG sincerely hopes X-Conference 2007--The Insiders I and
X-Conference 2008--The Insiders II will be unprecedented, and
invitations to attend - and speak - will go out to all members
of Congress and presidential candidates. The political press
in Washington, DC will be heavily lobbied to cover the event.

In 2004 750 attendees, speakers, VIPs and media came to the
X-Conference. If that number can be repeated, it will have
an impact. By attending you will be making a statement that
you want the government's attention.


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Postby Access Denied » Mon May 21, 2007 4:25 am

Egads, don't these people realize by doing this (essentially putting the cart before the horse) they’re only going to make the subject of UFOs even less credible in the eyes of the mainstream? If they've already made up their minds what the phenomenon represents and they're convinced they already have all the answers (i.e. all the conspiracy theories are true) then what's the point? Resistance is futile! :D
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Postby MikeJamieson » Mon May 21, 2007 5:12 am

The way I look at it, they should keep the message or agenda simple:
encourage a serious inquiry into this mystery. That's it. I don't believe
there is much of anything that can be definitively asserted.

Exopolitics is almost like a new religious movement.

I think exopoliticians have insulated themselves from any normal reality testing. The beliefs are deeply ingrained. They're on a mission. Meanwhile, the ones who they see as a "dark cabal" guarding all the heavy duty secrets are (imo) scratching their heads about this mystery (whenever they may have a passing thought about it).

Many in the press will take their invites as an opportunity to provide their readers, listeners and viewers a few laughs. Looks like exopols haven't learned their lesson about that.
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Postby Access Denied » Mon May 21, 2007 5:52 am

MikeJamieson wrote:The way I look at it, they should keep the message or agenda simple: encourage a serious inquiry into this mystery. That's it. I don't believe
there is much of anything that can be definitively asserted.

I absolutely agree with your assessment. Unfortunately, therein lies the next problem: how do you study a phenomenon of such fleeting nature much less encourage it? All we really have at the end of the day it seems are some (presumably credible) sightings that seem to defy conventional explanation that more than a cursory review of will most likely (historically) not reveal any useful data from which a definitive conclusion can be made. This much has not changed in at least the last 60 years as far as I can tell and it doesn’t seem it ever will unless something truly extraordinary happens…

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Postby caryn » Mon May 21, 2007 11:51 am

Mike:
I agree with you on the whole, as you're aware of – but have to say, I met Steve Bassett last year and he is one of the most sincere activists I’ve had any dealings with. A registered lobbyist with U.S. Congress, and was a Candidate for the U.S. Congress in Maryland in 2004 on an Exopolitics platform.

I’ve had several conversations of late with members of various UFO organisations affiliating themselves with the Exopo movement. Their take is quite simply this: They might not agree with specific agendas, interest areas are vast as you mentioned, from the esoteric to decommissioning the weaponising of space, but they are recognising that the overall Exopo schema is gaining considerable traction – worldwide:

www.exopoliticsargentina.ar
www.exopoliticsfindland.fi
www.exopoliticsjapan.jo
www.exopoliticsspain.sp
www.exopoliticsaustralia.au
www.exopoliticsfrance.fr
www.exopoliticsmexico.mx
www.exopoliticssweden.se
www.exopoliticsbelgium.be
www.exopoliticsgermany.de
www.exopoliticsnetherlands.nl
www.exopoliticsswitzerland.ch
www.exopoliticsbrazil.br
www.exopoliticsgreece.gr
www.exopoliticsnorway.no
www.exopoliticstaiwan.tw
www.exopoliticscanada.ca (pending)
www.exopoliticsindia.in
www.exopolitcspoland.pl
www.exopolitics-turkey.net
www.exopoliticschina.cn
www.exopoliticsireland.ie
www.exopoliticsportugal.pt
www.exopoliticsukraine.ua
www.exopoliticsdenmark.dk
www.exopoliticsisrael.il
www.exopoliticsrussia.ru
www.exopoliticsunitedstates.us
www.exopoliticsegypt.eg
www.exopolitics-italy.it
www.exopoliticssouthafrica.za
www.exopolitics.org.uk

You were involved for a while, and have an independent political interest, so I’d be interested in your opinion on where the Exopo movement is likely to lead to, ultimately.
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Postby MikeJamieson » Mon May 21, 2007 12:54 pm

Hi Caryn,

I think basicly all these leading exopoliticians are definitely
sincere. (Which is why I have posted here that I think it's
AOK for Salla and Gilliland and the others to make a decent
living from it. Many of them are still struggling with the basics
on the business side of things.)

In fact, I was never, ever associated with the exopolitical movement.
I was co founder of Operation RIght To Know and I was careful
to identify the purpose and agenda of that as: (1) encouraging a
more serious public examination of the UFO mystery and (2)
encouraging the disclosure of any possible classified information
related to UFOs. A few years after ORTK disincorporated in
2000, Ed Komarek (the other co founder) reengaged on the internet
and discovered Michael Salla.

Ed became an ally of Michael's and I became a gadfly, a royal pain
in the butt to Michael. I found Salla's absorption of every statement
and assertion (re: UFOs) as (from his point of view) being credible
(whether it came from known con men or known psychotics) to be
something that I could never align myself with in any shape or form.

In ORTK's beginning days, I thought all the crash/retrieval stories
and the MJ-12 notion were all real. But, by the late 90s I was very
doubtful of that (due to deeper examination). When the Board of
ORTK disbanded (I was the last Director), I thought ORTK had lost
its focus from its primary statement of purpose (stated above).
People were making assertions about government coverups, and
about the nature of the "aliens" themselves.

The exopolitical movement isn't going anywhere significant, imo.
All you have to do is look at the severe psychiatric pathologies exhibited
on a daily basis at Michael's yahoo group. Basicly, I would say
a full 75% of the members there are plain nuts.

If there is an alien presence here (and I think there is), it remaining
in the background just seems to be part of the natural order of things.
Let them be. They're clearly not harming us. It is us we have to worry
about.

The exopoliticians sticking their noses into politics, at this stage of
the game, is merely a source for comedy. I know that must be painful
to hear, because these people are mostly sincere believers. I say
"Thank God" they have no real impact in the "real" world of politics.
For example, if they have their way, we would be letting the Chinese
assume sole military superiority in space and on the moon.
Not prudent.

Stephen Bassett, btw, is a secularist in this movement. Michael Salla
is a religious missionary in this movement. I can see these varying
"parties" and factions solidifying over time into competing with each other.
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Postby caryn » Mon May 21, 2007 2:43 pm

Well, you know my main bone of contention here, with which I agree with you on Re: The assertions made regarding the nature of these aliens.

I should also comment though that in my experience these ‘entities’ are not content with remaining in the background. My interactions with ‘whatever’ have been pretty surreal on the whole, fairly extreme, oft intrusive with a dire consequence.

My background is rooted in esotericism, consequently I’ve been attempting to reconcile these ‘encounters’ with some of my long held views pertaining to human consciousness - by way of examining the interface between Ufology and shamanism.

Therein exists a conceptual framework to build upon, as opposed to the Nuts and Bolts techy side of Ufology, which falls down due to its sheer lack of any substantiated data.

You’ll know yourself from researching the Star Gate files, that there was a degree of interest sparked in the UFO issue as a result of what appear to be spontaneous encounters some of the RVers allegedly had.

Although the hard tech remains elusive, to date, the impact this apparent exogenous intelligence has on our cognition and, material environment on occasion, can be measured with the right conceptual tools.

One of those tools might be in the field of Information Theory.
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Postby MikeJamieson » Mon May 21, 2007 3:40 pm

caryn wrote:Well, you know my main bone of contention here, with which I agree with you on Re: The assertions made regarding the nature of these aliens.

I should also comment though that in my experience these ‘entities’ are not content with remaining in the background. My interactions with ‘whatever’ have been pretty surreal on the whole, fairly extreme, oft intrusive with a dire consequence.

My background is rooted in esotericism, consequently I’ve been attempting to reconcile these ‘encounters’ with some of my long held views pertaining to human consciousness - by way of examining the interface between Ufology and shamanism.

Therein exists a conceptual framework to build upon, as opposed to the Nuts and Bolts techy side of Ufology, which falls down due to its sheer lack of any substantiated data.



That's an exciting avenue (interface between Ufology and shamanism).
One I think Kenneth Ring, Tom Hansen and others are also examining.
Yes, I understand about these entities are interacting, even in an intrusive
way. But, developing political and diplomatic strategies and relations
with these entities is just plain silly. IMO, of course. How is the
exopolitical agenda and mission relevant to "them"? How is an effort
of "disclosure" appropriate?
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Postby caryn » Mon May 21, 2007 3:58 pm

Mike wrote: But, developing political and diplomatic strategies and relations
with these entities is just plain silly. IMO, of course. How is the exopolitical agenda and mission relevant to "them"? How is an effort of "disclosure" appropriate?

Good points and ones that concern me. I'm hoping we might have a UK visitor pop in to offer some of his opinions on this, shortly.
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Postby MikeJamieson » Mon May 21, 2007 4:52 pm

caryn wrote:Mike wrote: But, developing political and diplomatic strategies and relations
with these entities is just plain silly. IMO, of course. How is the exopolitical agenda and mission relevant to "them"? How is an effort of "disclosure" appropriate?

Good points and ones that concern me. I'm hoping we might have a UK visitor pop in to offer some of his opinions on this, shortly.


Good! Thanks. Maybe Michael, Stephen, Ed and others can join in also?
I think we all may be starting to identify and address some central issues
concerning the premises behind "exopolitics". (Some of those guys have got to be lurking here, right?) I'll keep my hurtful sarcasm out of it, if they do.

Edit: After I get back to my "computerless" home later today, my visits here
will become sporadic again. But, I'll check in as often as I can.
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Postby ryguy » Mon May 21, 2007 5:22 pm

Yes - Ed occassionally joins us, we've had a few private exchanges via PM regarding some of the side-topics we've researched, he shared some very useful information. I'd be very pleased if he'd be willing to add some of his valuable input here as well... (as well as anyone from the exopolitics crowd - for that matter...)

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Postby David Griffin » Mon May 21, 2007 5:49 pm

Hi All,

Fairly frequent visitor to this site but not really a great forum participator - I think that as I've ended up [by default] in the Uk Exopolitics camp I'll add a few thoughts here.


MikeJamieson wrote:I think basicly all these leading exopoliticians are definitely
sincere. (Which is why I have posted here that I think it's
AOK for Salla and Gilliland and the others to make a decent
living from it. Many of them are still struggling with the basics
on the business side of things.)


Mike I am aware of ORTK - it was linked up until recently from the resources section of Exopolitics UK. From memory Mr Salla still has the link listed.

This idea that there are decent livings to be made in the broader areas of exopolitics or U-fool-ogy is a misnomer I think. As you say most are struggling - Steve Bassett just got a funding boost but prior to this was in substantial debt from his political action and X-Con events. Salla is offering courses and affiliations for fees - but I doubt whether this pulls in much in the way of decent funding.

I found Salla's absorption of every statement
and assertion (re: UFOs) as (from his point of view) being credible
(whether it came from known con men or known psychotics) to be
something that I could never align myself with in any shape or form.


Salla gets most of the flack in this field. I can understand some of this but also it's worth possibly replacing the flack with a little slack when you consider the sheer volume of work and networking that the guy has done in the last year or two. The point is he isn't a UFOlogist in the old sense - I think he would agree that he's simply trying to get a 'meta' angle on the whole post war situation with regards the human/alien interface - an angle that I don't think is significantly distorted by allowing through the occasional flawed case. After all - looking back historically at the UFOlogical efforts of the last decade we have much circular debate and no real context for the issue - or at least not one that's particularly useful at this late stage in history.

At least exopolitics is providing some sort of map of the complex, compartmentalised terrain that's pretty difficult, in reality - to uncover. [note the stunning pun there.]


In ORTK's beginning days, I thought all the crash/retrieval stories
and the MJ-12 notion were all real. But, by the late 90s I was very
doubtful of that (due to deeper examination). When the Board of
ORTK disbanded (I was the last Director), I thought ORTK had lost
its focus from its primary statement of purpose (stated above).
People were making assertions about government coverups, and
about the nature of the "aliens" themselves.


Indeed but this is/was also a part of UFOlogy and to an extent will be present when dealing with this issue due to its implicit nature. The common claim that 'exopolitics claims to know all the answers' is simply absurd and is a misreading of what is still a fairly open and organic sphere of influence. What exopolitics does do is create useful and fairly consensus belief structures via which a degree of engagement can take place.

Unlike maybe ORTK and the methodologies put forward by some of the leading people in the Exo field - I think the current definitions of 'disclosure' and 'activism' and even the politics term itself is way too narrow. We're passed the stage of the 1960s activist models - there are other ways to crack this nut - or continue chipping at it anyway. The net and new media networks have shifted the game - as have mass sightings in areas like Mexico, the latter is of course a direct, unmediated disclosure all of its own.


The exopolitical movement isn't going anywhere significant, imo.
All you have to do is look at the severe psychiatric pathologies exhibited
on a daily basis at Michael's yahoo group. Basicly, I would say
a full 75% of the members there are plain nuts.


I agree - i've subbed to that list for a while and only looked at it once for the reasons you give - it's rarely useful information.

But again - as I've said elsewhere - in this field you expect a degree of this sort of thing. We're dealing with true weirdness whether in the "alien" issue or in the much discussed here military/intel networks isssue. When dealing with compartmentalised, off-whirrled, prankster-loving 'otherness' - this is just what you get. If you don't like the occasional nutter and suspended belief processes and reasoning then you are in the wrong game.

If there is an alien presence here (and I think there is), it remaining
in the background just seems to be part of the natural order of things.
Let them be. They're clearly not harming us. It is us we have to worry
about.


But it's not that simple. This is a dialogue precisely because there is engagement by this intelligence at various levels - whether that is via the military intel networks or via contactees it's already going on and needs careful steering to avoid continued monopolisation of the phenomena by what appear to be black-hatted cabals. This is primarily a human rights issue - as Larry Warren rightly states.

The exopoliticians sticking their noses into politics, at this stage of
the game, is merely a source for comedy. I know that must be painful
to hear, because these people are mostly sincere believers. I say
"Thank God" they have no real impact in the "real" world of politics.
For example, if they have their way, we would be letting the Chinese
assume sole military superiority in space and on the moon.
Not prudent.


This is just bunk and not worth a response.

Stephen Bassett, btw, is a secularist in this movement. Michael Salla
is a religious missionary in this movement. I can see these varying
"parties" and factions solidifying over time into competing with each other.


And yet isn't it strange that both get along fine - as is the case with much of the rapidly expanding exo movement?!? For the first time in the wider UFO field we have the possibility of some coherence and vision who are actually moving the agenda forward.

My take is forget the idea that exopolitics is *solely* about lobbing parliament or the Whitehouse... it's simply one minor pathway in a far wider agenda at play.

And as Terence McKenna said - "...and not a moment too soon".

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Postby David Griffin » Mon May 21, 2007 5:58 pm

I'll throw out the self depreciating approach for a moment and point out that many of the points raised here were brought up in an interview a couple of us did last night with exopolitics.eu

The link is here but the audio is not archived - we will post the link to the audio soon.

http://www.untoldmysteries.com/xmenu/Ag ... uhles.html
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Postby MikeJamieson » Mon May 21, 2007 6:23 pm

Excellent, David. Thanks for the point by point. I will likewise respond in kind when I can pore over your remarks, and had a chance to read the discussion in that link.

For now, just a couple of "quickies". The Diplomacy courses Michael has presents a meta-context that is based on what I feel is discredited
premises of "angelic" type aliens interested in our growth and "demonic" type aliens interested in exploiting us (and in league with what I feel is a non-existent "dark government cabal")......We should probably have specific threads that address the evidential basis for each basic premise.

Not that there aren't "enlightened" and "dark" entities out there that interact
with us. It's just that this picture of things is basicly providing for the foundation for what I see as more of a quasi-religious movement.

I suspect Stephen Bassett has been at odds with this side of things.
It does look like, though, that he still maintains an advisory board type of relationship with the Exopolitics Institute (which on its part wisely notes
that it's advisory members and "network associates" are not necessarily
on the same page as Michael and Angelicka).

The fact that Salla and Bassett and others still struggle financially suggests
to me that those who respond to this with interest and support do not recognize
(unlike members of established churches or political parties) the need for providing the type of support and energy necessary for these types of efforts
and projects to survive and continue.

Again, thanks. I'll ponder what you have said and get back a little later in the week. (I have limited internet access normally.)
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Postby caryn » Mon May 21, 2007 7:35 pm

Hi David, and welcome.

I’ll take the liberty of posting your Bio here : http://www.exopolitics.org.uk/index.php ... 2&Itemid=9

Thought I might play the role of devil’s advocate for a short while, if and as the debate develops. As an ‘experiencer’ [loath that word] I have a couple of concerns as outlined above, which I share with Mike. I did get into a brief debate on this topic with Salla some months ago, on one of the elists, but was politely asked to let it drop. This is an area that needs addressing imo, but we’ll see how it goes.

Anyhow, I’ll give you a chance to settle in before I don my pink fluffy horns (the red latex ones are reserved for unabashed anger issues ;-)
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