suspicioso wrote:I came to the "reused sources" conclusion from a relatively "ignorant" standpoint as a newcomer to the field, largely based on the information presented in this case with a very light surface reading of SERPO - you can take that as independent validation if you so wish
You Can Call Me Ray wrote:I am consistently amazed (and entertained) to think that there are this many people with so little to keep them occupied (and who are obviously not getting laid enough) that they resort to these stories of intrigue.
Here's the curious thing about the head of the Vatican’s astronomical observatory saying there’s a strong likelihood that extraterrestrial beings exist and that they are part of God’s plan: not the “what,” but the “when,” as in “why now?”
For all the attention they got, however, Funes’ comments do not exactly break new ground, as my colleague Edward Pentin, who covers the Vatican for Newsweek, points out. In 2005 Vatican astronomer Guy Consolmagno wrote a 50-page booklet, Intelligent Life in the Universe, published by the Catholic Truth Society, in which he makes the standard astronomical points—lots of galaxies, lots of stars, some with planets, some of which may have conditions conducive to life.
So if the Catholic Church has accepted the possibility of aliens for a while now, why the high-profile interview in the Vatican newspaper? Applying the techniques of Kremlinology to St. Peter’s, Edward Pentin’s sources tell him it might be part of a push to demonstrate the Vatican’s embrace of science (in 1992 it apologized for that whole unfortunate Galileo mess, after all). Toward the end of the interview, Fr. Funes called science and religion “two allies which elevate the human spirit. There can be tensions or conflicts, but we mustn’t be afraid. The Church mustn’t fear science and its discoveries.”
Access Denied wrote:
Thanks for posting that ScaRZ.
[hope you don’t mind I moved your post here]
Access Denied wrote:Which reminds me, I’ve been meaning to ask suspicioso what his thoughts were on the latest attempt to reframe the alleged UN meeting as a way for the USN to “regain command and control” of the ET “situation” from the USAF by using the Exopoiltical/UFOlogy community as a means of “leaking” compartmentalized information to other compartments so they presumably will be encouraged to come forward after learning the “missing pieces” of the puzzle… or something like that?
Oh, and while we’re at it, let’s all move past verification of the meeting… it really isn’t necessary you know?
What part of an “anonymous insider” that has only been “vetted” to a handful of “UFOlogists” with a vested interest being an oxymoron do folks still not get after 20 years of the MJ-12 myth?
dan wrote:After almost a year of dire warnings, Ryan Dube of RU has started to publish, in blog form, his explanation for the provenance and continuance of the Core Story.
To make a long story short: blame it on the Scientologists.
This conclusion had already been put forward by CK25, many years ago. And he has, by no means, been the only one to make this connection.
I would be the first to admit that this explanation is not implausible. The question before us is whether it stands to scrutiny.
Other things being equal, a conspiratorial fraud is the simplest explanation for the origin and dissemination of the Core Story.
And let’s set aside the actual identity of the conspiratorial group. The identity of the larger group is largely immaterial to this analysis.
The ufological network is notorious as a channel for international spying. It is not a state secret that CK’s involvement with the Aviary has had a counterintelligence aspect, from the start.
dan wrote:Mur,Mur wrote:Doesn't stand to reason, that CK25 is source shaping Dube's conclusions?
You pose that as a question.
Let there be no doubt, mon ami!
If this were an actual espionage or subversive conspiracy, should we really suppose that CK would be airing this dirty linen in public?
Would it not be far more likely that the subversive conspiracy would have been neutralized without fanfare?
And here is the larger paradox: the primary Whistle Blower is, at the very same time, the primary perpetrator of this selfsame conspiracy. Are we to believe that he is blowing the whistle on himself?!
dan wrote:Jake,Jake Reason wrote:dan wrote:And here is the larger paradox: the primary Whistle Blower is, at the very same time, the primary perpetrator of this selfsame conspiracy. Are we to believe that he is blowing the whistle on himself
I would agree.
Allow me to believe that neither Dube nor the Pickerings fell off the turnip truck yesterday.
I know that Ryan is in regular communication with CK.
It is very difficult to believe that CK is unaware of Source A.
The Pickerings absolutely refuse to discuss the most obvious problems with their source……
1.) He is still a rogue actor?
2.) His story about the SOM is not credible.
3.) The Shock&Awe/2017 scenario is (not) credible.
Either the Pickerings and Dube are extremely naïve, or they have signed on to a global security effort.
Jake refuses to countenance the obvious scenario in which good people agree to promote stories that enhance the public welfare, even though these stories (as they probably suspect) are not totally accurate. Is that too much to contemplate?
Please, people, can we not agree that we are peeling an onion? There are many layers. Let’s not get too hung-up on any one layer.
A rendezvous may occur on Saturday. I’ll work on a list of questions. Suggestions are welcome.
Thanks Dan. Feel free to post my following response in your thread, if you wish.
You've completely misunderstood my last few posts (have you even read the entire articles?)
The focus is not at all on Scientology - the focus (at least in small part) is on a particular scientist who, through his interactions with one of the greatest scam artists of all time (Hubbard), learned one of the most significant lessons of his life.
The lesson is this: Believers Are Very Gullible - and they also have deep pockets. It has nothing at all to do with Scientology as a religion, but it does have everything to do with the art of running an intricate and convincing scam.
Anyway - thanks for your comments. I do appreciate your views on these posts and look forward to your opinion moving forward. They should only get more interesting from this point on, as we dig deeper and deeper into the files...
ryguy wrote:By the way, it WAS a Viral Marketing scheme for the book, but not knowingly by Collins. The scheme was for the disinfo fed to him by "multiple" sources to be printed in his book and to be virally marketed by the Serpo story. We got the viral marketing aspect of it right - but were premature as to the creators of the scheme. Bob and Marilyn were only the front - after publishing that report, we broke through the front folks and discovered who was actually running the Viral Marketing scheme. Bob and Marilyn are not at fault - the folks who are manipulating them are.
By the way, similar schemes can be found if you research Greer's "free energy" campaign - with elements of stories fed to him that are identical to the elements fed to Collins. The source of those story elements are the same in all cases.
oboe wrote:So, who is the source? That's not fair, dangling "I know who the source is" carrot then just leaving it hanging in mid air.
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