Access Denied wrote:Now that you mention it though, I also recall him mentioning that he was scheduled to have some surgery done this Monday (today) I believe and he promised to post something after recovering so I guess we should be patient for now…
Robert Hastings wrote:JC: Robert Hastings has presented at least one witness who has claimed an event from the vantage of a military command that has never existed, the "vetting" of which would have taken no more than 5 minutes to conduct.
RH: And who would this be?
I had various opportunities to see things that come through my perusal. One instance was back in 1962 when I was a lieutenant at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany. I was the crypto officer for the entire Ramstein Air Base. I was a top-secret control officer. And in that capacity, I happened to see a classified message go through my com center, which said that "A UFO has crashed on the Island of Spitsbergen, Norway, and a team of scientists are coming to investigate it."
I do not recall where the message came from, where it was going to, because in that capacity we were oftentimes told, "What you see here, leave here." But I can recall seeing that.
longhaircowboy wrote:I was wondering if you could clarify Don Crawfords role in the episode. I have seen him listed as a Capt. or Col. depending on which source you read. Supposedly his crew relieved your fathers and he is said to recall them being visibly shaken by what had happened. No mention of what happened.
Also there was an earlier UFO incident in February there. Is it possible that they may be getting confused. Or is there confusion with Malmstrom and Minot where there was a radar sighting in either 1966 or 1967(depending on source). Confusion does seem to play a role in a lot of these things as in Spitzbergen.
Anyway thanks for what you've done.
Posted 04 March 2010 - 10:09 PM
From my book UFOs and Nukes:
Regarding the full-flight missile shutdown at Echo Flight, on March 16, 1967, N. Henry “Hank” Barlow told me,
"I arrived at Malmstrom in October 1966 and left in November 1967. I was on Electro-Mechanical Team 24 at the time [the Echo Flight shutdown] happened. We had to go out to Mike-1 for about four or five days. We had to stay out there and cover the sites. The day we were supposed to return [to base,] my team chief called Job Control to see if we could come in because it was really starting to snow. It was really miserable out, windy and all. Job Control said, ‘Yeah, come on in, there’s nothing going on, everything seems okay.’ So we packed up and started back to the base.
Then Job Control called us on the radio and said, ‘Hey, we’ve got a problem here, part of Echo Flight has shut down, so we want you to go to the nearest site.’ I think that was Echo-6, but I’m not sure. Anyway, somewhere around that area. We checked VRSA and there was nothing on it. [That] was a unit in each launch facility, with something like 19 or 20 channels on it. [Actually, VRSA or Voice Reporting Signal Assembly had 23 channels, one for each problem area.] If the missile went down for any reason, or if there was some other problem, Job Control back at Malmstrom would know about it, know what is was, from the kind of signal it sent. But when we got to the site, there was nothing on [VRSA] to indicate the reason for the missile shutting down. That in itself was unusual. I had never seen that before.
So Job Control said, do a start-up, which takes about four hours. After you initiate the startup, you can back out of there and leave because its automatic after a certain point. Usually, if there was nothing else going on, we would stay at the site to make sure everything was working fine. But that night, Job Control said go to the next site, whatever that was. So we did that, and [restarted] three or four missiles before going back to [Echo-1]. Of all ten missiles that went down, only one wouldn’t come back up, but that was due to something that was going to [fail] anyway, like a Logic Coupler Drawer, or something like that. But none of the missiles had anything on VRSA.
[When we got back to Echo-1] we heard what happened. At Echo-2, there was a team in there earlier that afternoon that could not get the security [telemetry] to set-up, through the parabolic antenna or the soft support building or something like that. So, they put an Air Police team out there, in a camper, two guys. Anyway, one of the guys went out to take a leak, and he noticed that it wasn’t snowing over top of his head. The perimeter lights were on and he could see the snow coming down all around him so he looked up and saw a ring of lights right over top of him. He was scared stiff, so he went back to the camper and woke up his team partner.
When this other guy came out, he had a camera with him, which they weren’t suppose to have, but guys would do stuff like that. By then this thing had moved off the perimeter fence and he took pictures of it. [When the security team was debriefed back at the base,] the Air Force confiscated the camera and film. I was told all of this back at Echo-1. We had passed our ‘timelines’ because we had worked 16 hours, or something like that, and could not go back to the base so we had to go back to Echo. [During that era, maintenance teams were left out in the field for four to five days, working a maximum of 16 hours per day—the timeline. If a team got close to reaching that limit, it was sent to the nearest Launch Control Facility for Remain Over Night, or RON status.] When we got back there, there was brass all over the place. They were from Offutt AFB—SAC Headquarters—they had brought them in. There were just a lot of high-ranking officers there."
I asked Barlow who had told him about the incident involving the Camper Alert Team. He responded, “I don’t remember. I don’t know if it was one of the security guys or someone else. I was so tired when we got back to Echo 1. We had worked long hours, we had been out almost a week by that time and we were just pooped. All I remember is that there were lots of people there and there was no place to lie down. But we were told that it was a UFO shutdown—that UFOs had been responsible—and that’s why all those guys were there.”
I asked Barlow if he had been surprised or shocked or skeptical when he was informed that UFOs had shutdown the missiles. He replied, "Oh no! On many other occasions, we were out at the sites when Job Control called and told us that, you know, there are reports of UFOs in the area, so keep your eyes open. That happened many, many times. And I saw them! I would see a light in the sky and it would make a right-angle turn. Or it would make two different right-angle turns, one after the other. I saw that more than once. They were much faster than a helicopter and we certainly knew that aircraft [couldn’t] do that.
I once saw a light come straight down, hover at maybe 1000-feet, and then shoot straight off [horizontally] and out of sight. It was crazy! Job Control always called us first, before we saw anything. They would call and say, you know, heads-up. Then, most of the time, we would see something a little while later. So, they were getting reports from somewhere, and maybe they had [the UFOs] on radar, but I don’t know for sure. Sometimes, when the call came in, we were down in the missile [silo] and we would talk to the guard topside about what he was seeing. I remember one time, the guard was just a nervous wreck. Job Control had called and said UFOs were sighted in the area. Then, I’m not sure, but I think he saw some lights himself. But anyway, he was just scared out of his wits. He wanted to come down in the silo with us. But the guards weren’t allowed to do that.
One time, [probably during the summer of 1967,] [and since that date is in brackets, it was probably settled on by Robert Hastings, not his witness, Hank Barlow; Robert tends to do that a lot, like with Jamison, for instance, another one of his solid gold witnesses] we were at one of the Bravo sites when we got a call from Job Control saying that there were UFO sightings in our area. Then, a short time later, we saw a green light come straight down out of the sky and land on this hill. Then two lights separated from it, straight out to each side. We were sitting in the pick up truck, eating our box lunches, when we saw this, along with another team we were training, plus the guard. We reported it to Job Control. [Wow, all those people and in forty years only Barlow mentions it -- wonder what the odds of that are?]. They told us to close up the site and go check that out. We told them that we didn’t think we were qualified to do that! [Laughs] [Yeah, that is funny ...] This was around 4 a.m. When it got light, we were amazed how far away the hill was, where this thing had landed. It was far, far away. We thought it was much closer, so the light was really bright.
I asked Barlow if he had later been debriefed about the incident at Echo Flight. He said, “No, never! It was almost kind of a joke, we would all laugh about it. Now, it wasn’t a joke [with all the missiles down] but it was a joke because nobody would believe it if you told them about it.”
I asked Barlow if he had heard about the Oscar Flight missiles shutting down around the same time as the Echo Flight shutdowns. He said “No, I never knew about that...I wasn’t qualified to work there.”
As noted earlier in this thread, retired Boeing engineer Robert Kaminski has confirmed in writing that UFOs had been reported by unspecified "airmen" at Echo Flight during the incident, and that his team had been ordered to suspend its investigation--an unprecidented development--because the full-flight shutdown was being catagorized as a "UFO event."
END OF BOOK EXCERPT
So, James Carlson, rant on. I suppose that Barlow is lying too, right?
Access Denied wrote:Well now this is interesting, I notice just two hours before I posted this…Access Denied wrote:Now that you mention it though, I also recall him mentioning that he was scheduled to have some surgery done this Monday (today) I believe and he promised to post something after recovering so I guess we should be patient for now…
Hastings posted this at ATS…
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thr ... pid8338178Robert Hastings wrote:JC: Robert Hastings has presented at least one witness who has claimed an event from the vantage of a military command that has never existed, the "vetting" of which would have taken no more than 5 minutes to conduct.
RH: And who would this be?
James Carlson wrote:Another one of Hastings witnesses is shown to have very little to add to this conversation. And yet, Bobby finds this convincing. I just can't wait until you get this guy in front of a bunch of journalists willing to ask the really penetrating and incisive questions ... and to do so without the uncontrollable laughing typical of so many other normal Americans right about now.
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Gentlemen, and Ladies,
The Denver ballot initiative campaign to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission will be decided in August 2010. Those who have proposed this "remedy" to the secrecy of the Department of Defense continue to use the Disclosure Project as part of the reasoning behind this political movement. Normally, I am averse to taking a stand in local politics anywhwere outside my own residential area, but in this case, I feel that it's necessary because the groups calling for the creation of this Commission continue to use witnesses to UFO related events that have been completely discreditied in order to reach their goals and persuade the Denver community to take unnecessary steps to solve a nonexistent problem. By doing so, they are denying Denver communities the information necessary to reach an educated opinion. While I have no desire to involve myself in any major efforts to affirm local opinion based on the facts, I nonetheless feel duty-bound as an American to correct a public record based on poorly interpreted or nonexistent evidence. That is the case here.
The individuals proposing this issue insist that it is "time to go over the heads of elected public servants directly to the voters. James Madison, American's fourth President, wrote that 'The People are the only legitimate fountain of power'" ( http://www.extracampaign.org/ ), as if this were reason enough to assume a state of continuous security risk and paranoia under the threat of civilizations and technology that no one has ever managed to even confirm the existence of. The absence of facts supporting their claims is easy enough to propose, but people in general demand proof, and that is what these groups claim they have cobbled together over the years in their creation of a public threat. According to the proponents of this measure, the Disclosure Project reveals the testimony of "over 500 whistleblowers who worked on top secret U.S. government projects" who have witnessed UFO or extraterrestrial-related events that show the extent of the national security endangerment that we blindly live through each and every day. This is their "proof" and their motivation to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission.
I have no intentions of disputing these claims. They are too many, and I don't have the time or inclination to do so. I have, however, looked very closely at one case: The Echo Flight Incident and related missile failures at Malmstrom AFB, Montana in March 1967, and believe that this case is representative of most of the cases discussed by the Disclosure Project. As such, my findings have some bearing on the subject currently under review by Denver communities. My research started on the proposition that Robert Salas, the primary "witness" to these events, made up the story of UFO interference with the nuclear missiles at Echo Flight and elsewhere entirely. I am certain of this, because my father was the commander on record at Echo Flight when the missiles went offline, and he told me exactly what happened. I have spoken to every actual confirmed witness to these events, and I have examined all of the documents discussing this event, and I have repeatedly shown that UFOs were not involved. In fact, some witnesses have stated that Robert Salas was not even present to observe the events that he claims to have observed.
This is far too much evidence for me to go over in this one letter. I have, however, written a 357 page book regarding this incident, and it is freely available to anyone with access to the internet at:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26641522/Amer ... es-Carlson
For 15 years this event has been used to redefine a paradigm of UFO interference at nuclear sites worldwide, and it is nothing more than one long lie put forth by Robert Salas and continuously discussed as proof of a national security threat publically unacknowledged by the U.S. government by individuals such as Stephen Greer of the Disclosure Project and Robert Hastings, author of UFOs and Nukes. Robert Hastings is currently scheduled for appearance at Denver and Colorado locations to discuss his "evidence", the Echo Flight Incident included. One venue has recently stated that the "evidence being presented by Hastings is a major focus of the campaign to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission in Denver through a ballot initiative. The initiative will go before voters in the August 2010 Denver election."
I have examined all of the witnesses that Hastings claims in support of his misguided version of the events at Echo Flight, and not one of them can be taken seriously -- not one. Should you wish, you can examine these critiques for yourself at:
In some cases, these witnesses are the same ones currently put forward by the Disclosure Project as evidence of UFO interference, and to a man they are unworthy of anybody's trust or confidence. They discuss events at military commands that have never existed or were not responsible for tasks they insist were undertaken; many discuss events that have been proven not to have occurred by contemporary message traffic and documented events, and most of their proposals would be remarkably easy to confirm if they had actually happened as described. Most Americans are not familiar with security classification protocol or military regulations, and due to this, they are unaware that the events discussed could not possibly have happened as described. People like Robert Salas, Robert Hastings, and Stephen Greer use this ignorance to advance ideas and proposals that are not only "dangerous" in some case, but are entirely unnecessary, and they do so in order to make a profit from the sale of books and videos, and from the fees they raise every year on these speaking tours they complete. Robert Salas, for instance, was in the Air Force for only seven years. He then worked for many years in the private sector. And yet, he never mentioned UFOs at Malmstrom AFB until 1994-95, after his retirement. And he created a new career for himself by doing so. This is all done very consciously to make money from duped individuals who simply don't know better. And I have no doubt whatsoever the same is true for most of the Disclosure Project witnesses as well.
This is all a very well-rehearsed and orderly manipulation of U.S. military history. And, please, make no mistake about it -- this is a political movement demanding full disclosure of UFO information. But there's a twist. You see these people are already on the record stating that the U.S. government will occasionally release drips and drabs of information describing these events, but they will be false, because there is a vested military investment in keeping the population of this country ignorant of the facts. How cynical is that? They are stating that whatever the government claims regarding these events, it is going to be false. This ensures that the money they continue to make off of the ignorance of civilians who believe in UFOs will never dry up, because whatever the government claims is irrelevant. The only thing Americans have to believe is that we are living under a continuous threat that the government will never confirm or attempt to pull us out from under. That paradigm ensures these cynical a--holes get a paycheck. But it doesn't stop there.
Bond measures like the one being decided by Denver voters ensure them of more paydays to come. And they are attempting to do this all over the country. Organizations like PEERS (http://www.peerservice.org), the guys who run the WanttoKnow.info web presence already have a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status as an educational organization, and they are also boning up for this political change. In fact, Stephen Greer of the Disclosure Project is on the WanttoKnow.info team, and they're currently taking tax-free donations as a public charity.
When I started investigating these matters, all I was concerned about was the Echo Flight Incident of March 1967. I was very angry because these people had repeatedly (and still do) denounced my father, calling him a liar, and someone who had his own reasons for wanting to keep Americans ignorant, or claiming that he had Alzheimer's disease. I was outraged, and I still am, over this offence. In fact, the book I wrote makes my disgust and repugnance for these people very clear. The facts, however, are undeniable, which is why these people have never attacked the facts that I've put together. They've attacked me, often enough, claiming I have obvious mental problems, and claiming that my own father is concerned about my mental illness -- all of which are nothing but lies intended to prevent people from looking at the arguments and issues that I've raised. The truth of the matter is that they have a cash cow that they don't want messed with. And they continuously raise issues such as the Denver ballot initiative to keep on "earning" their fees. Robert Hastings and Robert Salas are currently taking donations to conduct another National Press Club review in Washington, DC regarding these issues. And yet they refuse to answer any of the questions I have repeatedly put to them regarding Echo Flight or the numerous non-witness witnesses they have brought up to support this ridiculous fable of theirs.
My research into this matter has convinced me of a number of points: (1) most of these individuals genuinely believe that UFOs are piloted by extraterrestrials visiting Earth (I'm sure Robert Hastings does, although I'm equally certain that Robert Salas does not -- he's simply in it for the money); (2) these same individuals are convinced that the U.S. government and the Department of Defense have proof of this visitation; (3) they are confident that neither the U.S. government nor the Department of Defense will ever willingly release this information unless forced to do so by the American people; and (4) they believe that, because the U.S. government and the Department of Defense continuously lie to the American public in order to maintain UFO secrecy, there is nothing morally wrong if they lie to the American public as well, in order to gain support to force the government to comply with their wishes. This is a political movement with definitive goals and strategies, and a lot of people, like Robert Salas, are getting involved in order to make money.
If you don't care about this, I'm sorry to have taken up so much of your time. I'm well aware that a lot of people think it's just a silly little bunch of children's stories, and I'm not into trying to convince people to change their minds or force them to express concerns they don't have. Personally, I'm offended by the lies they've told, but it's a very personal offense regarding what they've asserted about my family. Upon coming across evidence of their current tax exempt status and their testimonial input to the Denver ballot initiative campaign to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission, I concluded that my own findings, offered freely and requiring no expenditure whatsoever, might be welcomed by some. And to those ends, I've completed my interference in your local affairs, and I hope I've added something valuable to your ruminations. Thanks for reading this far, and I hope you have a good week.
Robert Hastings was recently guest on the "Eye to the Sky"-radio show:
http://paranormalradionetwork.org/2010/ ... tings.aspx
astrophotographer wrote:Has anybody heard anything?
astrophotographer wrote:I am just curious if anything new has come to light on all of this. I see that Salas and Hastings are going to have a press conference of some kind but that seems to be the usual dog and pony show so they can get face time in front of the cameras. The last I knew, Hastings was going to reveal that his phone call to Figel was going to demonstrate that Carlson was not accurate. When Figel's e-mail appeared, the Salas/Hastings camp fell silent. Has anybody heard anything?
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