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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby murnut » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:13 am

http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.com/2 ... -1776.html

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So Fannie and Freddie have now been delisted from the New York and Chicago Stock Exchanges. They’ll still be traded though, in the over-the-counter (OTC) market. If any knows of any valid reasons why government entities should be traded at all, never mind very profoundly bankrupt ones, do pray tell. Buying and selling broke government agencies can only be profitable if the taxpayer gets stuck with the difference, as far as I can make out.

Bruce Krasting has noticed that the Fed has moved $4.4 trillion of F&F’s "assets" onto their respective balance sheets. While the two GSE's have not, so far. What's that rumble I hear in the distance? Yes, the Republicans have called for all these "assets" to be put on the government's balance sheet, and they're right of course, that's where they belong. Bank of America has just confessed that they’ve pulled the same Repo 105 stunts that Lehman had, and the SEC is "going after them". Fine, good, though far too late, but what moral standing does a government have that pulls its own versions, and on a massive scale, of Repo 105s?

”Repos are short-term financing arrangements that allow banks to take bigger risks on securities trades. Classifying the transactions as sales instead of borrowings—as in the Repo 105 strategy—allows a bank to take assets off its balance sheet and thus reduce its reported leverage.”,
writes Michael Rapaport in the WSJ.

You tell me how that differs from what the US government is doing with Fannie and Freddie. Sure, there's one main difference with Lehman and Bank of America: the scale of creative accounting/fraud. $4.4 trillion is real money. If Washington would do for itself what it pretends to demand from the financial industry, the US would be -technically- broke. But let’s be honest: is it really such a grand idea to keep alive a government and a banking system that can only keep their heads above water by flouting the laws of the land? Is that truly in the best interest of the citizens of the country, or does it in truth only scam those citizens ever more for the benefit of an elite that isn't even clever enough to not lose bigtime at the nation's crap tables?


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Well, at this point in time, that is as obviously useless as it is too late, isn't it? The losses have already been incurred, and no new insurance scheme would make one iota of difference to those losses. If prices keep on dropping for homes that carry past mortgages, Fannie and Freddie will lose trillions of dollars in taxpayer funds, until they simply implode, causing trillions more in said losses. And the best we can come up with in the face of that is years of talks about reforming the system, talks that will undoubtedly largely be dominated by the same clueless clowns that brought down the system in the first place?

If as a nation that's all you got, it might be a better idea to just close the door, hand the key to Putin, and go live somewhere else. For this is not going to be good enough. It will be for some, of course, but for the people it will be a disaster of proportions the likes of which no-one wishes to ponder.

Fannie and Freddie are the main cause why home prices in the US have risen so high that millions of Americans are being evicted from their homes as we speak simply because they can't afford to live in them anymore. Fannie and Freddie (and the FHFA and FHLB and Ginnie Mae) have been used to guarantee any mortgage at any price and at any liar's conditions, and all at the risk of the American people.


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There are very few Americans who have any idea how bad the situation is their country is in. With a government that specializes in creative accounting, outright fraud and ties to the financial industry, that shouldn't be a major surprise.

It's still tragic, though.
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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby murnut » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:23 am

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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby Etherian » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:31 am

I think a lot of it is "head in sand' mentality. Most aren't paying attention and continue to naively trust the leaders.
(Which by the way have no interest in your welfare, just your vote.)

Others continue on the Yellow Brick Road, believing it can't happen here.

If we can somehow continue to skate as the ice gets to be micrometers thin, wait until the first real war hits us. We certainly can't match WW2, because we won't have the time, but moreso, we won't have the money.
Those days: 135,000 tanks 50,000 airplanes

Korea and Iran are only the starting gun. If the sharks smell our blood in the water, it will be war cascading globally.

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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby AussieMike » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:47 am

It was common knowledge in the 80's that The US was paying for things based on the projected tax returns of three generations down the track.........

That is, some bright spark said based on population growth at X point in the future we will have X amount of people paying income tax, Lets take out a line of credit based on that money......

Its like running up a credit card you bill you know you will never pay, but that your grandkids who havent even been born will inherit, and have to pay.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/chin ... tatus.html

China's leading credit rating agency has stripped America, Britain, Germany and France of their AAA ratings,


If this follows real world models they will eventually stop credit entirely, doing business on a cash up front basis only.

Personally i dont understand why the US didnt retool its auto industry into hydrogen powered cars and associated technology, the demand for these types of vehicles exceeds supply (8 month waiting list for a hybrid car here in Australia) The japanese cant build them fast enough to meet demand.
Instead they are bulldozing houses in detriot in order to stop the downward spiral of property prices bought on by the massive vacancys left after the collapse of the auto industry.
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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby murnut » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:54 pm

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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby murnut » Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:57 pm

AussieMike wrote:Personally i dont understand why the US didnt retool its auto industry into hydrogen powered cars and associated technology, the demand for these types of vehicles exceeds supply (8 month waiting list for a hybrid car here in Australia) The japanese cant build them fast enough to meet demand.
Instead they are bulldozing houses in detriot in order to stop the downward spiral of property prices bought on by the massive vacancys left after the collapse of the auto industry.


Arrogance.....Arrogance destroyed Detroit.....Arrogance at all levels





You must watch the whole video...please....



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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby AussieMike » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:29 pm

I found Michael Moores comments to be spot on, for years these auto giants have been building massive gas guzzlers when the market wants smaller more efficient cars......

So they went the way of the dinosaur

Today we see the flow on effect into real estate

Battered Detroit wouldn’t have to struggle to pay for services in the vast areas of the city that are essentially abandoned if they didn’t exist—so it’s going to bulldoze them. Mayor Dave Bing did the calculus on a $300 million budget deficit and the 33,500 empty houses and 91,000 empty residential lots and came up with the solution. Over 3 years, a quarter of the city and 10,000 homes will come down,


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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby murnut » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:16 am

Actually...the market wanted the gas guzzlers at the time.
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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:44 am

AussieMike wrote:I found Michael Moores comments to be spot on, for years these auto giants have been building massive gas guzzlers when the market wants smaller more efficient cars......


Don't get snookered into Michael Moore's clear attempts at trying to cover his far-left views with what some might deem to be facts.

Mur is correct. Prior to the gas prices soaring in early 2008, gas prices in the USA averaged in the high $1/gal to the mid $2/gal. CHEAP! GM does not control the market. It simply cannot given the market share of its biggest competitor (at the time), Toyota. If what Moore says is true were actually true, Toyota would have far exceeded GM's sales, rather than just barely squeaking by them in the last few years.

The reality is that the market demand was for SUVs. And THAT is what sold. There was no forcing going on by Detroit, or anyone else. Rather, the auto makers were producing what was selling, as a market-based business is only smart to do.

There are plenty of facts out there that prove this. But here is just one article from Forbes:

SUV Sales Dive

Ford Motor and General Motors led Detroit's worse-than-expected 10.9% sales decline during October to an annual pace of 14.7 million units, led by a 35% free fall in sport utility vehicles. Detroit relies on SUVs for about half its unit sales, a much higher percentage than foreign automakers.


So, their failure was not anything like Moore wants you to believe (i.e. auto manufacturers forcing consumers to buy gas guzzlers by not offering anything else). Rather, their failure was extremely poor market research that would have told them the market was on the verge of a major shift.

And even since gas prices re-mediated, guess what? People )in the US) have been taking advantage of the incentives on gas guzzlers again!

Beware partisan-loaded analyses by partisan wonks who don't offer facts to back their claims!
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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby AussieMike » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:49 am

Fair enough, you guys are obviously in a better position to know than i
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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby murnut » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:55 am

The auto industries failure in the US (GM and Chrysler mainly) was a three pronged effort.

Certainly poor management figures in, but you also have to add in the unions, and govt...being local state and national.

GM I think still does not get it...especially when they have claimed to have paid back the bailout funds...they did not...they simply got a new loan from the govt at better terms....they basically lied out right...but it was covered up for the most part by the govt and media.

What should have happen was to let GM and Chrysler fail...sell off the assets and let a competent company takeover.

But now we are screwed...because GM knows they have been deemed too big to fail, and will expect bailouts for bad decisions.

American workers build Honda, Toyota's , Subaru's, BMW's just fine....I'm not familiar with the union situation with those...but I do know that the UAW shares in the blame of what happened to GM and Chrysler....just as management and govt officials of all levels do.

I predict GM will be back for more money....over and over for a while.

It will end with GM being broken up and sold off....after billions of tax payer money is wasted.
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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby murnut » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:06 am

David Axelrod’s Talking Points


http://baselinescenario.com/2010/07/14/ ... ng-points/


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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:09 am

I completely agree with your assessment, Mur. Plenty of blame to go around. GM Management was clearly bumbling, and nowhere near as effective as their serious competitors in Toyota and Honda. For all the noise we heard about Toyota's safety issues and their managment coverups, how little we have heard about GM's bumbling. Instead, we bail them out!

And unions have no concept about "if we don't also look out for the shareholder and the welfare of the company, we may not have a company to demand cushy benefits from." What is so sick is that because GOV (Dems) coddled to the unions, they were not held accountable for their part. They felt emboldened and protected. So what does UAW go out and do? They strike Boeing doing the EXACT same thing (in the middle of a recession) to Boeing that they did to Detroit! Clearly, GOV, Unions, and GM has not learned. Ford has. Ironic that the guy at the helm of Ford was formerly the head of Boeing commercial aircraft unit.

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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby murnut » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:37 am

My first cars were GM...back in the 80's....complete junk...Fords and Chrysler's too...not even on my radar at the time. I also had a TR7....total crap

But then I had a Subaru, and RX7...a 280zx, a 300zx...a couple of Honda's including a Prelude. These cars were bullet proof.I had a Jetta...fun car to drive...but the rattles stated about 75k
I almost bought a GMC SUV...but the Toyota Highlander drove so much nicer.
The 02 Highlander never had any issues....115k on the clock and it is for sale for 10k
I have had two Honda Civics EX's the last 13 years also...combined 350k...no issues.
Not sure I would buy a Toyota....but Honda I cannot say enough good things about.
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Re: Murnut Economic Meltdown Blog pt3

Postby You Can Call Me Ray » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:01 am

murnut wrote:I almost bought a GMC SUV...but the Toyota Highlander drove so much nicer.
The 02 Highlander never had any issues....115k on the clock and it is for sale for 10k


Ditto. And I took the chance you are never supposed to take: I bought the first model year Highlander (2001). Loved it. Limited Edition with all the bells and whistles. Only reason I sold it (to my Dad who is still driving it) is because I needed a pickup, and hence the Tacoma.

I have had two Honda Civics EX's the last 13 years also...combined 350k...no issues.
Not sure I would buy a Toyota....but Honda I cannot say enough good things about.


I have a hard time placing Honda or Toyota as #1. I see reasons for each to take the top spot, but they are just so tied in my mind. I also owned an '84 Tercel brand new and an '86 MR2 new. Perfect machines. In addition to my existing Civic GX (natural gas) I also owned a '96 Acura Integra.

I see the whole Toyota/Prius/acceleration issue as way overblown, and not about their design but about their management and how they dealt with failure reports. I believe their designs are every bit as safe and reliable as they have always been. I just can't understand why it has taken so long for US manufacturers to at least equal Honda and Toyota (still don't believe they are there). But I have a sense it is the union mentality.

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