False flag operation from space

[DeltaT]

A staged assault by an off-planet civilization could happen soon. False flag operations are covert operations which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities.
Link to article
http://knol.google.com/k/thomas-deflo/f ... n8xv1r1/7#

[ryguy]

Exopolitics Nutjob Alert!!!!

Off Planet Infiltration

Jews pretend to be monotheistic, god-abiding citizens, but privately hold feelings of reprisal towards him. They developed an opposite deism to that of the Pleiadeans, in which they worship the anti-creator, the enemy of the 'good one': "In order to reach the level of the Creator, [...] we must come to feel that our desire is totally opposite that of the Creator."[8]

This article is just simply the most disgusting rhetoric I've seen published on the net in a very long time. And the first article you linked to has references that are all written by/distributed by the exopolitics community - you offer not one single, reputable academic reference that supports a single thing in that article.

Truly pathetic.

And btw, I will be contacting Google about the anti-semitic propaganda that you've published on their servers.

-Ryan

[AussieMike]

I just dont get racism, i really dont.
No one has any control over the skin they are born into, no one gets to choose their genotype.
So why would you hold that against them, how can you possibly judge someone on something they had no choice in.

It makes no sense to me, Its like saying all black cars are bad, black cars are responsible for all the carnage on the road, Its not the colour or the configuration of the vehicle that counts, its the driver within thats important.

No one chooses the colour of their skin, there is no personal "fault" in being white or asian or coloured or jewish.
Its like blaming the sea for being wet.

A pointless excercise

[Chorlton]

A staged assault by an off-planet civilization could happen soon. False flag operations are covert operations which are designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities.
Link to article

Scuse me
(Taps him on shoulder)

Your name isnt James Casbolt is it?

[Bobbox1980]

I find it rather amusing that instead of any posters commenting on the possibility of a false flag alien attack, which is the subject of this thread, everyone has instead brought up other topics.

@ ryguy - I think racism is as dumb as the next guy but you would actually email Google over this? Reliving your days as hall monitor?

False Flags are a reality and have been with humanity ever since we have had a desire to deceive others.

While I don't know whether or not threads speculating on such possibilities have a place on this site we all heard about Reagan's 'if aliens attack it would unite the planet speech' so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that with the goal of uniting the world in mind a false flag alien attack could occur at some point in the future.

You don't need the opinion of someone in academia to come to this conclusion.


I'd give the chances of human governments wanting to and being able to pull off a false flag alien attack as rather low but I would keep the possibility in mind of there ever was an attack by "aliens".

[Tim Hebert]

Government pulling off an "alien" false flag operation rather low? Very insightful since the only guy that came close was Orson Welles back in 1938.

Tim

[Access Denied]

Moved to the "Exopolitics" forum...

@ ryguy - I think racism is as dumb as the next guy but you would actually email Google over this? Reliving your days as hall monitor?

You think it's dumb but not dumb enough to stop it from propagating?

…we all heard about Reagan's 'if aliens attack it would unite the planet speech'…

Really? You must have heard a different speech and I would suggest you’ve been spending too much time listening to UFO nuts. Here’s what Reagan actually said in full context…

“I have spoken today of a vision and the obstacles to its realization. More than a century ago a young Frenchman, Alexis de Tocqueville, visited America. After that visit he predicted that the two great powers of the future world would be, on one hand, the United States, which would be built, as he said, "by the plowshare," and, on the other, Russia, which would go forward, again, as he said, "by the sword." Yet need it be so? Cannot swords be turned to plowshares? Can we and all nations not live in peace? In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force already among us? What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?”

Might not discovering a rogue asteroid on a collision path with Earth or a nearby star about to go supernova be considered an “alien threat”? And might not this be a clever analogy for the threat of a nuclear holocaust?

[think things we might actually be able to do something about]

….so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that with the goal of uniting the world in mind a false flag alien attack could occur at some point in the future.

How would the threat of an “alien attack” unite us anyway?

Does anybody (besides Hollywood) really believe if aliens came all this way to attack us they’re a) not going to totally surprise us and b) not going to come fully prepared to wipe us off the map?

Never mind, don't answer that...

You don't need the opinion of someone in academia to come to this conclusion.

No comment.

Government pulling off an "alien" false flag operation rather low? Very insightful since the only guy that came close was Orson Welles back in 1938.

No worries, rest assured the rational skeptics among us will debunk the CGI false flag “alien attack” quicker than the NWO can say “ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ALL CITIZENS ARE ORDERED TO REPORT TO THE NEAREST FEMA CAMP IMMEDIATELY!”

[Chorlton]

I'd give the chances of human governments wanting to and being able to pull off a false flag alien attack as rather low but I would keep the possibility in mind of there ever was an attack by "aliens".

First show me an 'Alien' That is surely the prerequisite !

[You Can Call Me Ray]

Ummmmm.... Source A was a "false flag" operation.

But then again, all hoaxes are in that they want you to believe their activities come from someone other than the hoaxers.

So let me try to reason this out: GOV wants to create an "alien false flag op", ostensibly so that the people will allow, and not be upset, when the GOV then decides to.......

????

..... attack aliens in outer space that are not there????

I mean, with a conventional false flag aimed at a terrestrial country, at least there is a country to invade!!!

Dumb dee dumb dumb dumb!
Ray

[Bobbox1980]

@ Tim - Good point, a heck of a lot of people were freaked out by a radio broadcast even though they saw nothing out of the ordinary in their own communities.

@ Access Denied

I don't believe in censoring speech. Let the man's speech be judged by each and every individual who comes across it rather than be judged by a few and then taken down so that others can't form their own opinions.

I mean c'mon, who in their right mind would buy the Jews as offshoots of Pleiadeans. Aren't the Pleiadeans supposed to be the Nordic/Scandinavian blonds? Since when are Jews known for blond hair and blue eyes?

What Reagan actually said was exactly what I was getting at. I can't help but think you wanted to disagree with me and then tried to find a way. From your own text:

In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.

Yes alien in that context can refer to a wide variety of things but that includes extraterrestrial biological entities.

Governments of the world could push whatever agendas they wanted under the guise of protecting ourselves from further alien attacks (one world government, martial law, whatever the hell they want to do). You and I know an alien civilization that wanted to annihilate all life on earth could do it but that does not mean most of the public knows that. If our major cities were bombed by UFOs people would tend to think it was an alien attack and if the government supported that line of thought the public would largely buy it, all without ever having to see a live alien.

I think you guys have such a hatred of all things exopolitics (some of it understandable) that it blinds your thinking even in mundane ways like speculating about alien attacks or false flag attacks to be blamed on aliens. You guys couldn't even bring yourselves to speculate and instead immediately attacked the author.

@ Ray

Source A is a hoax. I wouldn't call a hoax a false flag attack, a false flag attack results in the destruction of property or the murder of people. False flag attacks can have a variety of aims. Operation Gladio false flag bombings weren't used to push for war, they were used to push the population to elect non-communists to political office.

[Access Denied]

I don't believe in censoring speech. Let the man's speech be judged by each and every individual who comes across it rather than be judged by a few and then taken down so that others can't form their own opinions.

With freedom comes responsibility. Do you think yelling “Fire!” in a theater or “Bomb!” on an airplane when you know damn well there isn’t one is acting responsibly?

I mean c'mon, who in their right mind would…

That’s just it, not everybody is in their right mind and f’ing with it is irresponsible at best and dangerous at worst.

Governments of the world could push whatever agendas they wanted under the guise of protecting ourselves from further alien attacks (one world government, martial law, whatever the hell they want to do).

That would be really stupid when a) it could be done much easier other ways (deadly mutant virus anyone?) and b) the survival of our government (at least here in the US) depends on the prosperity of the people that support it (it’s a pyramid scheme after all and the government is somewhere in the middle in terms of GDP) and there’s far too many people who like it just the way it is to ever let that happen.



If all the “little people” are herded into detainment camps under martial law then what? What’s going to happen to the economy that supports “them”? I don’t think you conspiracy “theorists” ever really think these things through…

I think you guys have such a hatred of all things exopolitics (some of it understandable) that it blinds your thinking even in mundane ways like speculating about alien attacks or false flag attacks to be blamed on aliens. You guys couldn't even bring yourselves to speculate and instead immediately attacked the author.

That’s because the author is as clueless as the authors of the material it’s based on and you must of missed this thread I started…

The Invasion from Outer Space

[Bobbox1980]

@ Access Denied

With freedom comes responsibility. Do you think yelling “Fire!” in a theater or “Bomb!” on an airplane when you know damn well there isn’t one is acting responsibly?

I think with power comes responsibility, much moreso than with freedom, especially the responsibility to not violate the unalienable rights of others (ex: their body, their property, their choice).

That’s just it, not everybody is in their right mind and f’ing with it is irresponsible at best and dangerous at worst.

Making it illegal to yell fire in a theater was a terrible precedent to set (not to mention the 1st Amendment "Congress shall make no law..." part). There were/are other remedies like civil suits. While I don't think it is responsible to yell fire in a theater when there isn't one some like Kissinger would say it is not responsible for a country of people (Chile) to elect communists (Allende) to office. Kissinger acted to overthrow a lawfully elected government based on his perceived right to make choices for others without their consent.

Cass Sunstein has broached the subject of taxing or banning conspiracy theories on the internet probably to protect people from themselves, those who aren't in their right mind.

Freedom in the phrase "freedom of speech" has to mean freedom if the phrase is to have any real meaning.


In regards to the specific conspiracy theory brought up here, I did say I thought there was a rather low chance of the government being able to pull it off.

[ryguy]

I think with power comes responsibility, much moreso than with freedom, especially the responsibility to not violate the unalienable rights of others (ex: their body, their property, their choice).

I don't know about you, but I live in a country that was forged upon the concept that every human being is created equal. Hitler was afforded the luxury of spouting anti-semitic propaganda, which eventually built into a country-wide belief system (essentially a common belief in a conspiracy theory that lacked any valid supporting evidence whatsoever).

If you have an understanding of the history, and how such genocides can actually take place in a civilization we would like to believe does not have a natural tendency for the torture and mutilation of fellow humans - than you might grasp the need for bigots, racists, and f'ing a--holes like this to be shown the door when their disgusting little hitler-esque fantasies rear their ugly heads.

And if you agree with him about the inherent evil nature of jews - you can get the f*** out too.

Let me put it this way. We pay for this place. You are using it for free. This means that we enjoy the freedom of defining what garbage we find offensive and that we believe most of our readers will find offensive. You (and anyone else) have no right to come in here and try to turn RU into a Forum that we feel would offend and turn off most of the readers who come along. That is our freedom because we hold the purse-strings. I am not preventing you from starting your own forum and publishing anti-Semitic crap out of your own pocket, but you're not going to do it on my dime.

Making it illegal to yell fire in a theater was a terrible precedent to set (not to mention the 1st Amendment "Congress shall make no law..." part). There were/are other remedies like civil suits. While I don't think it is responsible to yell fire in a theater when there isn't one some like Kissinger would say it is not responsible for a country of people (Chile) to elect communists (Allende) to office. Kissinger acted to overthrow a lawfully elected government based on his perceived right to make choices for others without their consent.

That is the dumbest argument for yelling fire in a crowded public place that I have ever seen.

I highly suggest reading this excellent article titled: Anti-Semitism and the Free Speech Fallacy

A few choice excerpts:

Many of us believe that when anti-Semitism dares to rear its head, it should be quickly and forcefully quashed. Anti-Semitism is racism and therefore inherently unjust. Racism turned against Jews reminds us of the Holocaust—that hate speech can be and was used to justify the murder of our people. This is not a theoretical conceit: It's a life and death—"never-again!"—issue.

In each of these recent cases, however, when Jews rose up to protest against anti-Semitic hate speech, they have been met with indignant campaigns accusing them of opposing free speech. As sensitive as any of us might be to anti-Semitism, who among us is not also sensitive to the un-American specter of opposing free speech?

Must we pay for free speech if it's hateful?

Thus those who define their right to present or publish whatever and wherever they want as a free speech issue, miss the point: Would they argue because a newspaper prints pornography that local merchants have an obligation to support it with advertising? Are advertisers obligated in the name of free speech to support a publication that prints racial offenses against African Americans? Of course not—just as merchants are not obligated as supporters of free speech to fund a publication or any expression that promotes anti-Semitism. That's just bad for business.

By the same token, we cannot permit those who oppose our withdrawal of support for anti-Semitic and even anti-Israel speech to adopt the free speech narrative. We must be clear in our communications: This is not about free speech. Free speech is something the government permits us as American citizens, and something the government cannot deny us. So here's our alternative narrative: Nothing in the Constitution says we have to listen to or read speech we don't like, and nothing says we have to pay for it.

And I am certainly not going to pay my hard earned money to read speech that I find highly offensive and derogatory. And I will make it clear to Google that I would take my business elsewhere if they published speech that I find offensive and derogatory. That is my right.

If I walked into your house and you asked me to take off my shoes, I would out of respect for you and your house, even if I have every right to wear my shoes wherever I please. You are both in our house now, and we've asked you to take off your shoes.

-Ryan

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"And I think all Nazis didn't see themselves as bad people. I've never met a racist yet who thought he was a racist. Or an anti-Semite who thought they were anti-Semitic."
-Norman Jewison

"We must recognize the fact that many Nazis, Marxists and Fascists believe passionately in their fundamental rightness, and allow nothing to hinder them from their goal in the pursuit of their mission."
-Dorothy Day

[Bobbox1980]

@ ryguy

I told myself I wasn't gonna reply before I even read the thread to see if there were any more posts but with all due respect, your post was a load of crap.

You (and anyone else) have no right to come in here and try to turn RU into a Forum that we feel would offend and turn off most of the readers who come along.

First of all the article initially linked to in the thread had nothing offensive in it at all. You went looking for other things the guy wrote (admittedly easy because there are a couple links in the side menu), checked them out, and changed the topic of the thread to the man's more racist articles. That would be like refusing to discuss a thread on American Imperialism because the author is OBL and is known to have written anti-Semitic articles.

I can understand if you don't want RU discussing false flag alien attacks, that was what this thread started out as and if you don't want that kind of thing here that is your choice. It was you however who turned this thread into something entirely different.

If you have an understanding of the history, and how such genocides can actually take place in a civilization we would like to believe does not have a natural tendency for the torture and mutilation of fellow humans - than you might grasp the need for bigots, racists, and f'ing a--holes like this to be shown the door when their disgusting little hitler-esque fantasies rear their ugly heads.

Words don't kill people. People make the choice to kill people. What WW2 and Nazism showed was that 2 out of 3 people will do whatever an authority figure tells them to (Milgram experiments) even if that includes committing genocide against a race of people. Society should be trying get that ratio from 2 out of 3 down to 1 out of 3 or less, you are instead complaining about a symptom (anti-Semitic speech) instead of the disease (people submitting to authority, doing what they are told, violating the unalienable rights of others).

And if you agree with him about the inherent evil nature of jews - you can get the f*** out too...I am not preventing you from starting your own forum and publishing anti-Semitic crap out of your own pocket, but you're not going to do it on my dime.

Where did I publish anti-Semitic crap on this site? I can't help but think this is an underhanded way of accusing me of being anti-Semitic after I already stated racism was stupid which alone makes me want to leave this forum.

That is the dumbest argument for yelling fire in a crowded public place that I have ever seen.

Uh... I never made an argument for yelling fire in a crowded public place. I merely made an argument that it should not be illegal. The point I was getting at was that you will always find people with a warped sense of responsibility. People who will take away other people's freedoms under the guise that they are not using their freedoms responsibly which of course negates the entire meaning of free in freedom.

I will make it clear to Google that I would take my business elsewhere if they published speech that I find offensive and derogatory. That is my right.

Google is just hosting knols published by people with Google accounts. It isn't like Google themselves are putting out this stuff. You remind me of one of those Parents Television Council members who never watched WWE wrestling yet lobbied all of that show's advertisers to leave because they disliked WWE. It wasn't enough to just not watch the program? To not read or support the Off-planet infiltration anti-Semitic article?

If I walked into your house and you asked me to take off my shoes, I would out of respect for you and your house, even if I have every right to wear my shoes wherever I please. You are both in our house now, and we've asked you to take off your shoes.

If this is some kind of coded threat to shut up about the whole thing or be banned I'll just leave.

[Tim Hebert]

I have to concur with bobbox, after re-reading his post, I read nothing of an anti-Semitic nature. I believe he was going from the original link that basically re-hashes an old Hoagland NASA conspiracy theme. The originator of this thread, DeltT, dropped his fecal bomb and quietly left. What ever his/her's reasoning is unsure, though my gut suspicion is that it has worked what ever "magic" that was intended.

Tim