RICH-ENGLAND wrote:so my reasoning for naming these two is that i feel they are a very real danger to themselves and others and that hopefully it will stop people encouraging them.
m0r1arty wrote:I put it to you that Jared Loughner was the product of a isolated, drug fuelled, over-controlled, media hype frenzied consumerist society which cannot continue to exist in it's current state without destroying itself. His self-efficacy led him to conspiracy sites which did not supply the answers his brain was begging for to allow for the propagation of his species and instead adopted answers which weren't directed at him or his incapable way of asking questions (another by-product of his society) which formed into the concept to kill.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/292991-overviewDelusional disorder is challenging to treat for various reasons, including patients' frequent denial that they have any problem, especially of a psychological nature, difficulties in developing a therapeutic alliance, and social/interpersonal conflicts.
m0r1arty wrote:Had he been born on a tropical island with friends, social amusements, little stress, a good diet and a history of family members or neighbours performing feats of brilliance being recounted at festivals and gatherings would he still have cracked?
m0r1arty wrote:I still stipulate that conspiracy sites and other fringe sites which attract inquisitive and potentially vulnerable minds should be held accountable for what their membership doles out as factual and/or acceptable forms of revolution. Now the higher ranking the site (and the revenue due to that business model) the easier to find. Either distribute that revenue into a proper monitoring and quality control system which flushes out parasitic members and lunatic stories whilst maintaining a clear culture of abstract discussion on all things conspiratorial or use that revenue to line the pockets of lawyers to represent you when what you reap what you sow.
http://www.cultinformation.org.uk/article_cult-concerns.html1. Is from an economically sound family background.
2. Has average to above average intelligence.
3. Has a good education.
4. Is idealistic.
m0r1arty wrote:It could also be construed that I was slightly countering Access Denied in my reply too. I hope it is clear that I was taking a concept which we'd both helped hatch from formation and expanding upon it. Reading over it though to try and understand Rich's quoted post though did make me perceive a potential slight which wasn't intended.
Access Denied wrote:Now who’s rambling?
Luck wrote:jjflash wrote:I have not yet been able to directly link Norman to any particular alien abduction researchers, irrationally pro-ETH websites, UFO-related public meetings, or similar such circumstances. If any of you know of such circumstances in Norman's case, I would very much appreciate a heads up.
There is a pretty good description of the events leading up to the incident in the court ruling that overturned his death sentence. According to the description of events, there was a lot happening in this guy's life, but no mention of an increased and sustained interest in the fringes (forums, authors, etc.). Apparently he was already acting erratically (behavior aggravated by drug use) before watching an episode of the X-Files that became the basis for his delusions regarding aliens. The docs can be found here:http://courts.delaware.gov/opinions/%280d4zy355zwqwbg55jk32a055%29/download.aspx?ID=123140
jjflash wrote:Thank you, Luck. I appreciate your interest in the Norman case and referencing a credible source of trial documentation.
RICH-ENGLAND wrote:....usually i would not name the people in question and publicly state my opinion on their mental health, but as for judy faltskog and alison kruse they are reasonably well known on the net and although im obviously not qualified to diagnose these people, its fairly obvious due to some very public behaviour and other things, that these two people have some kind of problem.
m0r1arty wrote:Access Denied wrote:Now who’s rambling?
Yeah but that's quality rambling!!
Luck wrote: I also had a sketchy idea, what if most "seekers" of ufo/paranormal/conspiracies stuff are really looking for a mythos of some sort without realizing it (some of whom are going to be less than stable). Maybe the factual truth become less important to them in their quest for a coherent narrative that gives them validation.
jjflash wrote:I don't think there is any doubt about it. A certain percentage of members of the UFO community are not the least interested in actuality, but only seek to validate their less than stable incorrect belief systems. Most concerning, in my opinion, is the extent that they so easily find such an abundance of ill conceived validation and false support within the UFO community.
The principle of social proof says so: The greater the number of who find any idea correct, the more the idea will be correct.-Robert Cialdini
Luck wrote:jjflash wrote:I don't think there is any doubt about it. A certain percentage of members of the UFO community are not the least interested in actuality, but only seek to validate their less than stable incorrect belief systems. Most concerning, in my opinion, is the extent that they so easily find such an abundance of ill conceived validation and false support within the UFO community.
Absolutely. It starts to turn into one vicious feedback loop. I pulled out Robert Cialdini's "Influence" to start reading again tonight (since some of what he talks about is herd mentality) and in his book he discusses social proof and conformity. Scary stuff when you start applying some of the concepts to the UFO community.
Collaborative learning is desirable only if grounded in disciplined critical thinking. Without critical thinking, collaborative learning is likely to become collaborative mis-learning. It is collective bad thinking in which the bad thinking being shared becomes validated. Remember, gossip is a form of collaborative learning; peer group indoctrination is a form of collaborative learning; mass hysteria is a form of speed collaborative learning (mass learning of a most undesirable kind). We learn prejudices collaboratively, social hates and fears collaboratively, stereotypes and narrowness of mind, collaboratively. If we don't put disciplined critical thinking into the heart and soul of the collaboration, we get the mode of collaboration which is antithetical to education, knowledge, and insight.
The Social Animal by Elliot AronsonPeople attempt to function as naive scientists. In order to arrive at the best explanation for a given event or phenomenon, scientists look for covariation in their data---that is, they attempt to find cases where "X came before Y and always varied with Y and only with Y to conclude that X caused Y." Similarly, in explaining other people's behavior, people look for three pieces of information: the consistency of the person's action (Does he or she always behave in this manner in other situations and at other times?), consensus (Do others behave in the same way in the same situation?), and/or the distinctiveness of the action (Is he or she the only one to behave in this manner?).
....However, rational thought requires at least two conditions: (1) the thinker has access to accurate, useful information, and (2) the thinker has the mental resources needed to process life's data. These conditions almost never hold in everyday life.
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