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NSA and UFOs : Anyone want to compare notes?

Postby IsaacKoi » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:06 pm

I've spent a reasonable amount of time during the last few years looking into issues regarding the NSA and UFOs.

So far, I have typed up about 100 pages of notes as a start on a thread about NSA documents relating to UFOs and related issues, including relevant individuals (including people that worked, or have claimed to have worked, for the NSA and had/have some involvement in ufology).

While I've created a searchable PDF archive of several collections of NSA documents relating to UFOs (some of those document not being available on the NSA's own website in its section on UFOs...), at the moment I'd just like to check whether anyone has spent any time looking into relevant individuals and would like to compare notes. (I think I've read most material published about these individuals online and in books plus quite a bit of the material on them in UFO magazines/journals/newsletters - so I'm really looking to compare notes on information which adds to that already online or in books...).

Has anyone here covered any of this ground already?

The relevant individuals currently covered in Part I of the relevant draft thread are listed below:

Part I : Relevant individuals

Part I1: Tom Deuley
Part I2: Lambros D. P. Callimahos
Part I3: Howell McConnell
Part I4 : Todd Zechel
Part I5 : Admiral Ray Inman
Part I6 : Hal Puthoff
Part I7 : Ray Fowler
Part I8 : William Draeger
Part I9 : Bob Oeschler
Part I10 : Dan Sherman
Part I11 : Ron Cecchini
Part I12: Paul Bennewitz
Part I13 : Donald Menzel
Part I14 : Russ Estes
Part I15 : R. A. Boulay
Part I16 : “Mil”
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Re: NSA and UFOs : Anyone want to compare notes?

Postby James Carlson » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:16 am

In regard to Ray Fowler, I've discussed his involvement with the Echo and Oscar Flight incidents after he sent me copies of his personal notes. For an extended period, Robert Salas was writing to him for advice, and to give updates on his Malmstrom AFB UFO claims. There's a definite correlation between Fowler's Malmstrom AFB notes and the rumors of UFOs mentioned in the command history Salas has used as his primary FOIA resource. You're welcome to have copies of Fowler's 1967 notes and copies of his 1996-97 emails if you like.

I don't know many specific details associated with the other names you mention, although some of the names are familiar. Sorry.

Let me know if you want copies of Fowler's notes.
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Re: NSA and UFOs : Anyone want to compare notes?

Postby IsaacKoi » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:54 am

James Carlson wrote:You're welcome to have copies of Fowler's 1967 notes and copies of his 1996-97 emails if you like.


That would be great, thanks James.

You can email the material to me (or use a free file transfer service, such as Wetransfer.com - which is easy to use and doesn't require any registration/fees) at isaackoi [at] gmail.com.

I appreciate you taking the time to help.
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Re: NSA and UFOs : Anyone want to compare notes?

Postby James Carlson » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:31 am

IsaacKoi wrote:
James Carlson wrote:You're welcome to have copies of Fowler's 1967 notes and copies of his 1996-97 emails if you like.


That would be great, thanks James.

You can email the material to me (or use a free file transfer service, such as Wetransfer.com - which is easy to use and doesn't require any registration/fees) at isaackoi [at] gmail.com.

I appreciate you taking the time to help.

No problem; I'll try to transfer them via Wetransfer per your recommendation when I get home from work tomorrow. I'd do it now, but I have to get up at 0230 this morning for work, which means I've got to get some sleep. At one time, I separated all the files into smaller winrar archives, so I may send them by email -- I'll have to take a look at how many and how small they are, but I'll be sure to let you know whichever way I decide on. Keep in mind, I don't recall any references to NAS; they may not help you much, but maybe they'll contain a reference or two that you could use.

I'll get it all sent tomorrow.

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Re: NSA and UFOs : Anyone want to compare notes?

Postby IsaacKoi » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:55 pm

I have to get up at 0230 this morning for work


Ouch!

Keep in mind, I don't recall any references to NAS; they may not help you much, but maybe they'll contain a reference or two that you could use.


Understood. Well, even if these documents turn out not to contain much in relation to the NSA, I'm fairly confident that they'll be relevant to one or more of my other ufological interests. :)

By the way, just let me know if you'd prefer I avoid sharing any of the material you're planning on sending.

(I'd check with Ray himself, but I don't know if he is currently active on email. His website has been down for quite a while).
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Re: NSA and UFOs : Anyone want to compare notes?

Postby James Carlson » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:52 pm

Check your email address -- you should have two messages with attached archive files. Hope there's something in them you can use. I suspect that Ray Fowler has some regrets sending them to me, but I did find them pretty useful from my point of view.

As for sharing any of them, please feel free to do as you like. As far as I'm concerned, anything and everything that has been declassified should be freely available for anybody who can put them to use. If someone interprets it differently than I do, they're welcome to try and convince others. It's the spin that makes the world go 'round.

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Re: NSA and UFOs : Anyone want to compare notes?

Postby IsaacKoi » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:27 pm

Many thanks James for the material and your comments about sharing it. I've replied to your email.
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